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Advice needed: Best guns for concealed carry and best ways to carry
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Posted on 11/01/2011 10:01:15 AM PDT by Jean S

As you may know, concealed carry is now legal in Wisconsin as of today, finally!

I found this article at Human Events: Top 10 Concealed Carry Guns

My husband and I have had some training with our revolvers, I have a 38 S+W and my husband has two .357s. We've had some professional training and some training from experienced friends on how to shoot, clean the guns, etc. but not enough to satisfy Wisconsin's new law. We'll be taking a state required 4 hour class next week - with 98 other people. I am not expecting much from the class, I except it will cover basic gun safety and the new laws more extensively than anything else.

I know these questions are a bit vague but I'm not sure exactly what questions I should ask!

Thanks for any advice.


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1 posted on 11/01/2011 10:01:18 AM PDT by Jean S
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To: Jean S

S&W Bodyguard 380. Built in laser, light, small, accurate. Most engagements with concealed carry are close in, .380 is good enough.


2 posted on 11/01/2011 10:08:05 AM PDT by Breto (never accept the premise)
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To: Jean S

IMHO you have the best gun for concealed carry. Hopefully it is a hammerless snubnose. If not, you could cut the spur down on the hammer so it doesn’t snag on your clothes. Best method of carry, in your pocket, with or without a pocket holster. You can carry it that way even in hot weather, can slip your hand onto it without drawing undue attention, and you will be far more likely to carry it with you every day than other carry methods.


3 posted on 11/01/2011 10:10:07 AM PDT by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: Jean S
If your S&W .38 has a 3 or 4 inch barrel, that great for you.
For hubby, that Glock 36 is great....provided he uses the lighter 180 grain loads...otherwise the weapon is too light for the 230 grain loads, and you get lots of “flip”, making it harder to get back on target for the 2nd shot.
MUST use holster w Glock!!!
4 posted on 11/01/2011 10:10:37 AM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: Jean S

Grenades are easy to conceal. They fit easily in a parka pocket.


5 posted on 11/01/2011 10:11:12 AM PDT by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Jean S
The best carry gun is the one you can get to quickly, know how to operate, know how to clear jams, can shoot accurately and do all of this under pressure.

A .22 that hits, is way more effective than the .44 mag that misses. I know a grandmother that can empty her .22 LR revolver into your left eye at 25 feet and do it under combat shooting conditions. I did 6 years in the US Infantry and she is just scary good with that .22

That being said, if you want to know what is actually effective carry. .32 / .380 are all small and surprisingly effective. .357 (sig) / 9x19 and 9x23 are a bit larger, and more “BANG” requiring a slightly larger rig for control. However, they tend to do more damage.

Actual shooting reports tend to show that once you get into the .40 or 10mm range or higher, accuracy drops off and thus is not quite as effective as the smaller rigs.

As for carry, look at the cellpal rig (do a google search on the word, I'm at the office and they block "firearm" related sites). It is a cross draw but it can be worn in just about all situations and does not print.

6 posted on 11/01/2011 10:11:24 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Jean S

If your standard clothing attire doesn’t really support carrying concealed, think about getting a conceal carry purse. Mine has a zipper compartment accessible from the side of the purse, which can be locked, and has a holster built in to keep the gun secure.

Carrying on your person is more secure, but I would rather have a gun in my purse than no gun.


7 posted on 11/01/2011 10:11:46 AM PDT by JenB
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To: Jean S

I like my cc handbag. My glock 17 fits nicely. Also a ruger 380 for me works when I dont want to carry a purse.


8 posted on 11/01/2011 10:12:13 AM PDT by hope
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To: Jean S
I carry the Smith and Wesson Airweight .38 revolver. I use a pocket holster and carry it in my front pocket so that it does not print. I feel uneasy about carrying a semi-automatic for fear I might shoot myself. Revolvers won't shoot unless you really want to pull the trigger. I like the Airweight because it is light to carry, but the light frame makes for a nasty kick when fired.

However, for the CCL test, I always qualify with a semi-automatic so that I am not restricted to a revolver in case I ever do want to carry a semi.

The CCL class was actually pretty interesting. Not so much on handling guns, but on legal issues.

9 posted on 11/01/2011 10:15:50 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Jean S

Glock 19 and M&P .45


10 posted on 11/01/2011 10:16:06 AM PDT by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: Hoodat
Grenades are easy to conceal.

LOL, I'll have to read the law again. I don't recall a mention of grenades.

Pulling a grenade out of your pocket with your right hand, hold the pin in your left - no one would shoot you if they also have a gun. I like it.

11 posted on 11/01/2011 10:18:13 AM PDT by Jean S
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To: Jean S

My new favorite is a the Kahr P380. Depending on hand size, it is a fantastic choice for men or women. Stoked with buffalo bore ammo it is a potent weapon in a “forget it is there, carry it everywhere,” package. I especially like the 100 grain hardcast flat nose and feel comfortable with it against most critters (short of a black bear : )

It is actually pleasurable to shoot at the range with regular (not buffalo bore +p or +p+ ammo). It is incredibly accurate which a lot of concealable pistols are not due to short sight radius. Big hands make this less of a choice.

For the husband I would suggest the smith and wesson 340 sc (scandium lightweight hammerless .357) It also is a forget it is there and carry it everywhere package and can be loaded regular .38 special, hot, .357 or Really hot with .357 hunting ammo depending upon your need. I would not make a practice of shooting the hunting ammo out of it but it can handle it if it needs to. I put hunting .357 in it around the farm and slightly less punishing ammo in it for city duty.

I have not yet tried out the beretta px 4 sub compact in .45 but I have a friend who has it and swears by it. It might be worth looking at.

Good luck!


12 posted on 11/01/2011 10:18:37 AM PDT by 1malumprohibitum
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To: Jean S

bttt


13 posted on 11/01/2011 10:19:17 AM PDT by deweyfrank
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To: Jean S

Ask what happens when/if you shoot someone. Ask about different scenarios, locations, circumstances, etc. Ask the instructor what he suggests is the best.


14 posted on 11/01/2011 10:19:21 AM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: taxcontrol
I know a grandmother that can empty her .22 LR revolver into your left eye at 25 feet and do it under combat shooting conditions.

That's the funniest damn thing I've read all morning!

15 posted on 11/01/2011 10:19:24 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Jean S

Really like my Ruger LCP. It has a smooth shape that makes it very snag free. I have never had a failure to feed and am using Federal Hydroshocks that would not work at all in another .380 I had. I polished the feed ramp, but it fed fine before that. My .02 worth. The main thing is get what works for you.


16 posted on 11/01/2011 10:21:07 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: Jean S

Do a lot of research, taking everything with a grain of salt but eventually you will begin to figure it all out.

If you are lucky enough to be able to borrow various guns from friends, relatives etc. and even more lucky in having a nice place in the country to check them out at your leisure then do it.

If you can do neither, get the largest most powerful one you can conceal and carry comfortably. If that turns out to be only a .22LR that is OK. At least you will have a gun that is accurate.

Do make sure it is reliable before choosing it. That is not too hard to accomplish now as most name brand guns are reliable.


17 posted on 11/01/2011 10:22:47 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: Jean S

Ruger SP101 chambered in .357 Mag/.38 Special or .327 Federal Magnum.

Glock 26,27 or 33(9-mm, 40 S&W, .357 SIG)

Sig Sauer P250C or P250SC (9-mm, 40 S&W, .357 SIG, .45 ACP)

Ruger LC9

Kimber Pro-Carry or Super Carry (.45 ACP)


18 posted on 11/01/2011 10:23:04 AM PDT by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: 1malumprohibitum

whoops, meant .40 not .45. My typo. He still loves it : )


19 posted on 11/01/2011 10:24:40 AM PDT by 1malumprohibitum
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To: yarddog

I forgot to mention, heed the 10 commandments of gun safety and really become a fanatic in carrying them out. Never get so comfortable with your gun that you get careless.


20 posted on 11/01/2011 10:25:36 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: Jean S
Make sure that in a pocket or purse
that the gun is in a holster.
it will keep it tangle free and keep
the barrel free of obstructions.

21 posted on 11/01/2011 10:27:37 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: hope; JenB

I like the idea of a cc handbag. I remember seeing some in a magazine several years ago.


22 posted on 11/01/2011 10:28:53 AM PDT by Jean S
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To: Jean S

Clothing permitting, I prefer a 686+ w/ 3” barrel. I love shooting it, and am completely comfortable shooting it with 357 ammo. It doesn’t matter if one prints in Arizona, so I can get away with bigger.

Otherwise, my Model 60 LS works OK. I use 38+P ammo, but it just doesn’t point as well in my hand. I use it in a cross carry holster.

If I was a woman, I’d probably carry the 686 in a purse. As a guy, I haven’t found anything that doesn’t just scream, “He has a gun!”

I do not pocket carry without a holster.


23 posted on 11/01/2011 10:30:19 AM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: yarddog
Go to a gun show where they let you handle the pistols. (Always ask first! It is good form.). Point the pistol at something fairly close, then check sight alignment on that object. When you point without aiming and the sights line up too, you have one that 'fits'.

That natural fit will make training with your firearm faster and easier, and you will be instinctively more accurate with that pistol than one with which you have to make a concious effort to get sight alignment.

24 posted on 11/01/2011 10:30:59 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Jean S
The article you linked lists the NA .22 magnum as #1. There is a 'folding grip' version which works well with a pocket holster so the shape of the gun is not 'painted'. I have one, carry it even if I have my 'belly bage' CZ82 on me, or my Glock 22 in the courier bag, and I find I can carry that little weapon loaded with five hollow-point rounds all year round without hesitation wearing any outfit except a bathing suit.

The other vital thing the article lists is proficiency. I used to carry a Phoenix Arms .22 semi-auto which held eleven rounds of hollow point ammo. I practiced with that weapon to the tune of thousands of rounds fired and automatic dealing with any glitch in firing (a glitch might happen once in fire or six hundred shots, usually due to dirty mechanism or a bad round from the magazine). The only reason I switch to the CZ82 is the size and impact of the rounds the gun fires. Tha CZ82 is a double action (just squeeze the trigger to fire the first round, then subsequent rounds are single action auto feed shots) single action semi-auto which holds twelve int he mag and one up the spout. It is extremely reliable, shoots the 9x18 round (equiv to a .38 special impact) and can be reloaded quickly with a magazine and provide an additional 12 rounds of fire.

No matter what you settle upon, practice shooting the ammo you will carry and practice often. Practice drawing and dry firing right out of the carry you end up relying upon. You can buy dummy rounds for such practice, to save the firing pin on your weapon, or use a spent round in the firing chamber for practice purposes.

25 posted on 11/01/2011 10:32:39 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Jean S

I ran across the inventor of the “Gun Tee” for concealed carry at a show in Charlotte a few years back. There are quite a few different ones on the market now, but the original is used by several of the under cover cops in Charlotte for their backup piece. The shirt does a nice job of hiding the carry under a regular shirt, especially if you have a sport coat on and open.


26 posted on 11/01/2011 10:34:00 AM PDT by Big_Harry (Ecc10:2 "A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left")
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To: Jean S
If your revolvers Have a 2" to 3" barrel that is the ideal carry gun. I carry a .357 with a 2 and a half inch barrel in my front pants pocket in a pocket holster. M wife carrys a .38 special in a pocket holster in her purse, I sould prefer she had it on her rather than in the purse but that's her choice.

We've both carried semi autos, but we always go back to keep it simple, a revolver doesn't jamb.

27 posted on 11/01/2011 10:34:16 AM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: Jean S

Bump for later read....


28 posted on 11/01/2011 10:34:28 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Jean S

.357 airweight hammerless.

strong hand side, front pocket, pocket holster.


29 posted on 11/01/2011 10:36:08 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: Jean S

I’ve got the two Glocks (19 and 22) and I’ve got the smallest Kel-Tec, the P-32 in .32Auto.

The Glock 19 is great for hip carry, both IWB and OWB, but the smaller Kel-Tec P-32 (and the P-38 and P-3AT) are great for “deep carry”, when you don’t want anything visible, even if your shirt comes up/out. It won’t ‘print’ as much, either.


30 posted on 11/01/2011 10:36:28 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Jean S
A woman's resource is anything by Paxton Quigley

31 posted on 11/01/2011 10:36:58 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Jean S

Usually winter carry is a Glock 21 .45 and my backup/ summer carry is a Kahr MK40, .40 caliber stainless. The Kahr is super small and fits easily in a pocket holster or IWB holster. Can hardly tell it is there, the Glock not so much...


32 posted on 11/01/2011 10:38:35 AM PDT by Kolb (Compone Accomoda Supera)
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To: Mr Rogers

I’d like to figure out how to carry without using a handbag also. My problem is I’m 5’6” and 125#. Not a lot of places to hide a gun on my person without an odd bulge showing. (I suppose I could pretend I was a guy.)

Maybe I’ll learn more from the class than I am expecting. 100 people in a class with two instructors. These are NRA certified instructors which makes me somewhat more comfortable about the class.


33 posted on 11/01/2011 10:39:05 AM PDT by Jean S
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To: Jean S

Glock 23 40mm. FBI’s standard issue for their agents.


34 posted on 11/01/2011 10:39:11 AM PDT by gitmogrunt (Lessons In Disaster: LBJ, Carter,Clinton,Obama.)
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To: Hugin; Jean S

Bingo! IMO. your’s is the best summer carry advice.

Cargo shorts front pocket, doesn’t matter how large or small the carrier’s body frame. Although I have reservations about cutting the hammer. If mine was not hammerless, I would just use the hammer with the thumb over it as a means of orienting the weapon as it is withdrawn.

We no doubt agree that whatever is carried by a new user, withdrawal and firing should be well practised at the range.

(Your tagline is another bingo! Robert Duval had an instinct for selecting acting roles, perhaps not a perfect instinct but a great one.)


35 posted on 11/01/2011 10:40:04 AM PDT by frog in a pot (Their bible calls for either our conversion or our death - how and when has that changed ?)
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To: Jean S

My favorites are Sig P229 in 40S&W and RIA 1911 Officer clone. The Sig is bulkier, but has higher capacity (12+1) and built like a tank. RIA has crappy factory sights, otherwise well made, reliable and cheap; conceals well under light closing.


36 posted on 11/01/2011 10:42:49 AM PDT by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: Jean S

See reply #37 posted here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2791001/posts?page=37#37


37 posted on 11/01/2011 10:44:01 AM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: Jean S
The Bond Arms “Snake-Slayer”
Very well made Derringer style .410, definitely something a little different. Not as sexy as some of the other choices but an awesome little gun.

http://bondarms.com/bond-arms-guns/snake-slayer

38 posted on 11/01/2011 10:45:17 AM PDT by 07Jack
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To: Jean S
Small but deadly Kel-Tec P3AT .380

Carried daily in the hip pocket of my jeans
in unprintable pocket holster .


39 posted on 11/01/2011 10:47:35 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Jean S

It's a tricky balance. You want something small enough that you are comfortable carrying it all the time but large enough of caliber that it has stopping power and long enough in the barrel for some accuracy (but not all that much range is needed for most concealed carry situations). It really depends on how much you mind the weight, the bulk, and the more or less permanent bruise you may get where that big heavy thing is carried, compared to how much risk you perceive.

The second worst concealed carry gun is the one with too little power or accuracy for an unexpected need (I like cute guns and light snubbies, but . . .). By far the worst is the one you don't carry because it's too heavy/bulky or not sufficiently concealable (The Barrett or the S&W 500 are nice for range and stopping power, but . . .). Listen to the excellent advice you get here and then make a decision using that guidance but based on your own situation and your build/health. [I'm intentionally omitting my personal favorites because what matters is how the factors match your needs more than the specifics of a firearm.]

40 posted on 11/01/2011 10:49:23 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Jean S

Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction

Always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot

Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use


41 posted on 11/01/2011 10:50:46 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Jean S

You might want to look at a Kimber. Smaller in size, easier to conceal. Expensive.


42 posted on 11/01/2011 10:52:26 AM PDT by CaraMiaR (Excuse me, I have to adjust my aluminium hat.)
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To: stuartcr

This is the greatest question regarding CCW in all the world.

“What will happen to me after I shoot and kill someone...?”

I have taken several CCW classes from three different instructors.

My first class was taught by an ex-Chicago Cop who was involved in 3 shootings in 7 years on the job. His wife told him...NO MORE BEING A COP. So, he became a defense lawyer.

My other two instructors were ex FBI and ex police.

All three of them made it very clear about what will happen to you after you shoot that firearm and kill your target.

FIRST:
YOU ARE GOING TO JAIL. For at least one night, probably more until the shooting details are cleared. Your life will never be the same.

SECOND:
Do not say anything to the police other than, “I was in fear for my life”, or similar statement that that you were acting in self defense or protecting the life of another person. That’s all. Do NOT talk about the incident any further. NOTHING until you have your lawyer present. The police are NOT your friends at this point.

Also, my classes made it very, very clear that you could not use a handgun to protect yourself from fists, knives or other lesser forms of assault, unless you were in fear for your life. You can’t brandish a weapon.

Finally, the most successful action when faced with the possibility of having to kill someone was to GET OUT, GET AWAY from the situation in any way you can. The DA lawyers will plague you with questions about why you didn’t leave the area instead of shooting.

I still haven’t applied for CCW, partly from laziness and partly from uncertainty about putting myself into such a position. Situational awareness goes a long way to prevent yourself from being in a bad place too...


43 posted on 11/01/2011 10:54:24 AM PDT by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President, FUBO! Treason is the Reason! Impeach the Kenyan)
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To: Hugin

Open Range is one of my favorite westerns...the scene in the jail house when they wake up and he cloroforms them agin is priceless...Great actor.

Good thread too, good advice.


44 posted on 11/01/2011 10:56:51 AM PDT by rlmorel (The Rats won't be satisfied until every industry in the USA is in ruins and ripe for nationalization)
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To: JenB; Jean S; hope
The problem with a CC handbag is that the handbag is the first thing a mugger will grab. At that point he's got your purse AND your gun, and hopefully that's all he's after.

I like little snubbies.

One can fit in the coat pocket in winter (where it are immediately and discreetly accessible -- nobody thinks it odd that someone walks with her hands in her pockets in cold weather, and the fastest draw is to already have it in your hand).

You can find cargo-pocket shorts that allow you to totally conceal one in summer.

You can also use an inside-the waistband holster that totally conceals it when you just drape a t-shirt or vest over it.

As others have noted, the best gun is the one you're likely to routinely have with you. Just train yourself into the habit of continuing to fire until the bad guy goes down.

45 posted on 11/01/2011 10:56:52 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Civilization is unnatural. It is a whim of circumstance. Barbarism must always ultimately triumph.)
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To: Jean S

It all depends on your size.

When I was young and doing manual labor, I could carry a full sized 45 goverment model in an inside the belt holster and then just leave my shirt untucked.

My brother has a tiny 380 and a holster that looks like a wallet. I would be concerned about how quickly I could get to the weapon and effectiveness of the round, but it sure doesn’t look like he is carrying.


46 posted on 11/01/2011 11:00:21 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Hugin

I agree with this — I bought a S&W 642 .38 revolver earlier this summer and have found myself switching to carrying it almost exclusively. It shoots really well (although the recoil is brutal with +P rounds, not something I ever expected in a .38spl) but at the same time is amazingly concealable. My other carry gun is a glock 29 in 10mm, but it’s bigger and requires more attention to the holster than the revolver does. The .38 revolver, in contrast, as Hugin says, can just be slipped into a pocket and the lack of a hammer spur means it can be drawn instantly. it also works really well for appendix carry, meaning that the pistol is always in the most available position for defensive use.

Accuracy is excellent but takes practice on the long hard DA trigger pull.


47 posted on 11/01/2011 11:03:08 AM PDT by FateAmenableToChange
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To: Jean S

Sig P250 subcompact. Holds 13 rounds of 9mm

Double action only...smoothest DAO trigger on the market.

It is without a doubt the most accurate easy to shoot handgun I’ve ever owned. It is also the most reliable.

I have sinse sold all my .45s, .38s, and also a Sig P229 fullsize (in 9mm).

All I carry anymore is the P250 subcompact.


48 posted on 11/01/2011 11:03:58 AM PDT by Hammerhead
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To: Hammerhead

I concur and I have the same chambered in 40 S&W and .357 SIG.


49 posted on 11/01/2011 11:05:38 AM PDT by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: GRRRRR

I don’t have one because my job won’t allow me to have one on a military base and I figure, it’s just one less database to be in. VA is open-carry, but I’m hoping they will get on the concealed carry with no license bandwagon.


50 posted on 11/01/2011 11:06:11 AM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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