Posted on 11/05/2011 12:58:45 AM PDT by Kevmo
Andrea Rossi says his new machine fuses nickel and hydrogen at room temperature creating almost unlimited energy .
But there is one problem - many scientists claim it defies the very laws of physics. Several high-profile demonstrations of 'cold fusion' have been proven to be hoaxes in the past - and no one can adequately explain how or why it might work .
The United States Department of Energy the U.S. Patent Office say the process is impossible because physics rules out the possibility of room-temperature nuclear fusion .
But Rossi's E-Cat machine can allegedly do it, and he says he proved it worked during tests at the University of Bologna last month .
Key: Rossi says he has produced a pattern of triple track atoms, pictured, which is at the heart of the cold fusion theory
'We have nothing to say, just to make plans that work properly and let those facts win against the scepticism.'
Sterling Allan, CEO of the alternative energy news agency Pure Energy Systems, told FoxNews.com he attended Rossi’s demonstration and the E-Cat is self sustaining .
'What Rossi demonstrated was 470 kilowatts of continuous output in self-sustain mode -- meaning the output was enough to keep the thing running on its own,' he said.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
Proof?
Th conclusion was that there was “no nuclear reaction fingerprints”, no gamma rays. That would indicate no nuclear process at work.
I’m sorry, are you Jim Robinson? That’s right, you’re not. Your opinion means zero.
Post away Kevmo. In fact post more frequently just to piss them off.
So then you’re saying it works and it’s not a fraud?
I am still waiting for you to post the specs of a strain gauge that will output to one part in a billion ...
But no one but Rossi knows how to turn it on or turn it off! No shipper in his right mind will accept it for shipment nor could it ever clear customs.
A google of 'Kevmo INTRADE' brings up the INTRADE blogs from Kevmo pumping his E-cat stock ...
To: Wonder Warthog
Their COP is only a measly 2.0 SOME OF THE TIME!!! They are using pulsed data and during SOME of the time of the run it shows a gain of 2 BUT they provide NO calorimetric data and make all kinds of assumptions about “lost energy”. Bottom line is that they have NOT shown a gain of 2.
125 posted on 10/29/2011 11:38:48 AM PDT by NewinTexsas
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Another analysis (Horace Heffner) shows major problems with the 10/6 test. (Uses word ‘nonsensical’)
This means there is reason to suspect a 50% error in heat measurement for this period, i.e. 2 kW heat looking like 3 kW heat. This may be compounded at times with a 37% error added in this report spreadsheets due to 0.8°C added to delta T due to calibration errors.
ANOMALOUS FAST POWER OUTPUT INCREASE WHEN POWER CUT It is notable that when the power is turned off, for example at time 14:20, and 14:51, and 15:56, the power Pout actually rises. This may be a confirmation that the Tout thermocouple is under the influence of the temperature of the incoming water/steam in the primary circuit. Water carries a larger specific heat. Cutting the power may introduce water into the output stream, as seen before. If the thermocouple within the E-cat is subject to thermal wicking, the water temperature may actually be 100°C, as before. This sudden flow of 100°C water could then account for the at most 11.6°C increased temperature from the Tout thermocouple, which is located close to the hot water/steam input. The E-cat began leaking at the rate of about 2 kg per hour at 14:00 (168 min.). The water dropped from the lower edge of the wrapped E-cat. The insulation prevented knowing where the source of the leak. It seems highly coincidental that Pout and Eout began rising substantially right after 14:00 (168 min.) This may be an indication that water overflow via percolator effect began at about 14:00. The fact water or steam was leaking at such a large rate is an indication the E-cat should not have been under significant pressure after that time. The leak, plus the fact the primary water circuit is open following the heat exchanger, should make achieving a significant pressure unlikely.
Also anomalous is that all power was cut at 19:08 (476 min.) Hydrogen pressure was eliminated. By 19:22 the thermal power out measured jumped from 4.2 kW to 7.1 kW, a roughly 70% increase in power. This could be explained by a burst of nuclear power triggered by a high internal diffusion rate. It could also be explained by increased liquid water overflow. The latter is indicated as more probable by the fact that the internal E-cat temperature, T2, dropped from 116.6°C to 108.1°C during the apparent power burst.
In any case, it is nonsensical that when power is cut that output power quickly momentarily rises. This kind of mystery can be, should be, unraveled using a dummy device and then an inactive (no hydrogen) E-cat during calorimeter calibration sessions.
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/Rossi6Oct2011Review.pdf
128 posted on 10/29/2011 12:50:16 PM PDT by NewinTexsas
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Brillouin Energy’s process requires a frequency generator. Rossi said (until a couple of days ago) that he also required a frequency generator. When someone at the 1MW test noticed that he had no frequency generator, he said it was no longer required. How did he manage to get the 1MW test run with the SAME reactor but with no frequency generator that he had previously proven was required?
209 posted on 11/02/2011 5:37:41 PM PDT by NewinTexsas
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Their COP is only a measly 2.0 (at this point). But all their methods and experimental data are posted on their website.
From their website .... Give me a break!
“There are a number of reasons why calorimetric data is not provided in this document. Conduction, convection, and loss of small amounts of NaOH due to entrainment in solution that evaporates, are not fully controlled in these experiments. The beakers with electrolysis are more heavily influenced by ambient temperature in the room due to the increased surface area caused by the hydrogen and oxygen bubbles. The increased surface area causes increased conduction of thermal energy. These factors preclude calorimetric data collection”
210 posted on 11/02/2011 5:41:57 PM PDT by NewinTexsas
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Uh it was a very short post and started with "He says ..."
He referring to Rossi.
Actually, I enjoy seeing the posts and responses. Reminds me of watching the suckers at the carnival.
Are you saying it is not a nuclear device?
Please show me a link to your bathroom scale that goes to over 13,000 kg. Thanks.
Two, There is no mention of any such radiation detectors being used in any of Rossi’s demos.
***I think Rossi has mentioned some short term radiation in the past, hence the need for some Pb shielding. As far as the report of neutrons, this is the first time I have run across it so it is more likely to be a journalism mistake than some groundbreaking report.
Balance screws?
You no likee, you no clickee
Rossi is basically in the process of doing just that.
If you want to please the “hard core skeptics” help them to replicate the technology in their labs.
***Rossi doesn’t care about hard core skeptics. He cares about whether his customer is satisfied enough to pay the piper.
Look at how the naysayers twist themselves into pretzels when they are confronted with the fact that the Pons-Fleischmann excess heat effect has been replicated more than 14,700 times. Adding a few more to that total isn’t going to change the situation on the ground. Selling units, that will change the game.
I likee, I clickee. I find your INTRADE posts.
I like looking down on those puny Hummers when I’m driving my motorhome. Doesn’t need to be smogged. In 10 years if this Cold Fusion thing is real, I’ll be able to replace the power plant.
Right. Every carnival barker knows just to ignore the hardcore skeptics and look only for the marks.
I no likee your posts. I give up on you long time, toto. You no have value in post of information. Onry good for troubre. You get rost, worthress seagurr.
You are not going to make it up many hills with zero psig steam
The Pons-Fleischmann excess heat effect has been replicated more than 14,700 times.
Jing-tang He
• Nuclear fusion inside condense matters
• Frontiers of Physics in China
Volume 2, Number 1, 96-102, DOI: 10.1007/s11467-007-0005-8
This article describes in detail the nuclear fusion inside condense matters—the Fleischmann-Pons effect, the reproducibility of cold fusions, self-consistency of cold fusions and the possible applications
http://www.boliven.com/publication/10.1007~s11467-007-0005-8?q=(%22David%20J.%20Nagel%22)
Scientific American
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=when-scientists-sin
1. Jed Rothwell
11:52 AM 6/20/10
Shermer says that Goodstein concluded that cold fusion was most likely a case of scientists who “convince themselves that they are in the possession of knowledge that does not in fact exist.”
Cold fusion has been replicated in over 180 major laboratories, by roughly 1,500 professional scientists. These replications have been published in roughly 800 papers in mainstream, peer reviewed journals such as J. Electroanal. Chem. and Japanese J. of Applied Physcis. J. He of the Institute of High Energy Physics, Chinese Academy of Sciences estimates that the effect has been observed in roughly 14,000 experimental runs (Front. Phys. China (2007) 1: 96 102).
Many of the results were at low signal to noise ratio, but others were high, such as heat from 10 to 100 W, and tritium at 50 times background (Los Alamos, Texas A&M) up to several million times (BARC).
Most of the researchers who have reported positive results are senior, distinguished experts, such as the Chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission, government of India, and the experts at Los Alamos in charge of the Tritium Systems Test Assembly and the Tokamak Fusion Test Reactor at Princton. Only senior researchers can get funding because of academic politics.
When a result has been widely replicated at high signal to noise ratios and reported in the literature, that result is real, by definition. There is no other standard of reality in science. If it were possible for hundreds of scientists in hundreds of laboratories to be wrong, the experimental method would not work, and no result would be meaningful, and science itself would not work. If Shermer and Goodstein would substitute some other standard of truth, and ignore replication and peer-review, they are engaged in some form of faith-based religion or a popularity contest, not science.
This is a scam and Kevmo has INTRADE.com and probably other personal interests.
***Intrade didn’t post the contract this time around. No one on FR would come to terms for betting for or agae inst Rossi. I have not found any way to put my money where my mouth is this time around.
It is news to post about legitimate news articles.
***These are legitimate news articles about a development which, if true, completely changes the socioeconomic landscape of the whole world. That qualifies as a legitimate news discussion, sparky.
He posts 1-4 blogs posts and other non-news items every single day. That is spamming, not reporting.
***At any point in time, try to find any other news item which will have as much impact as this, if it were true. Your whining has the distinct tone of someone with a censorship agenda.
Commercial success talks.
***And Rossi is the first LENR researcher to sell a functioning unit to a customer, as far as I can tell. He says he’s got 2 more lined up, and the best evidence shows that he’s well on his way.
All the other naysayers will soon be taking walks.
Geez, you can’t get any details right whatsoever, which is why I gave up on you a few threads ago.
I suppose we’ll see soon enough, one way or the other.
It’s easy to prove Rossi’s device is a scam — just buy one. Can’t afford it? Get all your naysayer buddies together on a shared pool just so you can prove it to yourselves.
I gave up on you several threads ago. You keep proving why that was wise.
It is easy to prove it is a scam, just FOIA those custom declarations for Leonardo corporation
I gave up on you several threads ago.
Then do it. Do all of us freepers a favor. Be a big hero.
Oh, 'this time around'. Thanks for admitting you are still trying to find out how to make money on this scam.
Why would I pay good money for junk? Better that you should buy it and sell the power from it and make lots of money. Now, why wouldn't you do that? Because deep in your heart you know it doesn't work.
Is there some reason why you think I would respond to your posts? I’ve told you over and over again that I’m done with you.
“Many of the results were at low signal to noise ratio, but others were high, such as heat from 10 to 100 W, and tritium at 50 times background (Los Alamos, Texas A&M) up to several million times (BARC).”
You do realize that while statistically these are significant results, These still fall far outside the realm of what we would be looking for in a commercial product.
If Rossi’s ecat were real, it would be a leap of many thousand fold (if not millions) increase over the best result that anyone had ever got.
All the more reason to raise your eyebrows at Rossi’s claims and evaluate his background. Once you do, it screams scam as you just skim his background materials on his partners and business associates.
I won’t respond to your posts. You know that, because I keep saying I’ve given up on you and your obvious distortions.
I will as soon as enough time has passed for those papers to be filed away and indexed. Those are public documents, anyone can request them.
It is possible that the State Attn General though is already in possession of these papers and a secret arrest warrant has been issued. Next time Rossi lands in the US, it is cuffs and off to jail with him.
If Rossi’s ecat were real, it would be a leap of many thousand fold (if not millions) increase over the best result that anyone had ever got.
***That is not true at all. Rossi’s results are relatively middle-of-the-road for LENR. His game changing contribution is how easily the reaction is reproduced after installing his ‘catalyzer’.
My standard response to NewinTexsas:
I gave up on having a reasonable discussion with you a while ago.
T4BTT
Well, then I wish you the best in your hunt for the truth.
Silly me, I presumed that the machine would come with shielding.And what is the appropriate amount of shielding for a device that operates on "unknown nuclear reactions", using a "secret" device?
That must mean LENR is a fraud.
I wonder if it has the self destruct mechanism Rossi promised and how that would be affected by radiation.
I bet they don't exist.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62
It appears that a relatively innocuous post responding to you was pulled.
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.
55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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Please post the source for the claim of gammas, as it is highly significant.Here is a report about radiation detected during the January 2011 dog & pony show.
You'll notice that the results were inconsistent, and, as usual for Rossi, the testing configuration was useless. The person detecting the radiation wasn't even the same room as the E-Cat when the radiation was detected, and had to rely on Rossi's word that it was the result of Rossi having just turned on the device.
I do recall reading in Rossi's notes from the latest test that there was no detectable radiation. Rossi has claimed in the past that the E-Cat does generate radiation, so that seems to be an inconsistency.
Notice that Rossi "objected vociferously" at one point to the observer trying to take an additional measurement. Presumably he was worried about his "secret" being revealed. Whether that secret is an amazing new process, or how he is faking this remains unclear.
It's fairly obvious from MANY experiments (not just Rossi) that CF doesn't follow the "traditional, well-established equations for this nuclear reaction"In that case, we have no idea what Rossi's device will or won't do. It could blow up and take the city of Bologna with it. It certainly wouldn't be acceptable for Rossi to be selling them to the public.
Rossi says "weak gammas" on the same energy order as x-rays., which don't take a gigantic amount of shielding.How would Rossi know? You've already stated that we have to throw away current theory (which you have repeatedly stated is "useless") to believe Rossi, so you can't use current theory to justify any other part of Rossi's device.
And, there again is that phrase "Rossi says". It's amazing how little there is to this story once you remove the parts that rely on "Rossi says".
If Rossi’s ecat were real, it would be a leap of many thousand fold (if not millions) increase over the best result that anyone had ever got.And yet he's trying to sell them as medium-sized boilers.
I can't help but think that if Rossi were Thomas Edison, he would have invented the incandescent lightbulb, turned it into a production-ready device...
And then sold it as the heart of the "Easy Bake Oven".
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