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Report cards out again, and, yes, I'm complaining again (vanity)
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Posted on 11/18/2011 1:45:25 AM PST by MacMattico

So my student gets the report card today and quite frankly expects her high 90 gpa to continue. All of the grades I've seen have been high. She wanted to keep her average, each quarter, above a 90 to receive a special award at the end of the year for never having a quarterly average below 90 in the past 4 years. It's a big deal to the kids, I know it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, but it's important to them.

Two years ago, I found grading errors (averaging and such) and had to complain all the way up the chain to have that fixed. Last year, they didn't want her in honor society, probably I've learned because Mom knows their flaws and isn't quiet about it. There were also grading errors.

First quarter this year, she receives an average of 89.9. No rounding up. So out of honor society, no award at the end of the year, overall average down.

Now I feel it's personal against me and not her. The teachers I know and know her well--all high averages. Math and Science, where they placed her in a different sequence from last year-- low 80's, and she was telling me all quarter how easy the math was (and I saw at least two 95 exam grades). They had to keep a journal in math all quarter and on the last day of the quarter were asked to hand them in. He would not accept hers because it wasn't in one of those marble notebooks! All the papers, dated each day, stapled in order, but 0 credit! Science was said to be somewhat "subjective in his lab grading". Subjective science?? These two teachers have been there a while and I swear they rigged this to punish us for speaking up!


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Am I paranoid or what? I was warned to keep quiet by some parents who said that would help her grades stay up. I've also been contacted by three teachers that "wish to remain anonymous" that told me I'd be shocked if I knew what went on in terms of grading and comments made about students (as in young girls) behind closed doors. I have no way to leave this district, btw.
1 posted on 11/18/2011 1:45:26 AM PST by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico
Some things just have to be left in The Lord's hands.

Head butting a few brick walls in my life have taught me that.

2 posted on 11/18/2011 1:50:06 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: MacMattico

Have you considered having a personal chat with each teacher alone in a very private and unexpected place? (no witnesses, no marks)


3 posted on 11/18/2011 1:55:41 AM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: maine yankee

No comment.


4 posted on 11/18/2011 2:01:54 AM PST by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico

Next stage in game… Colleges are full of liberal professors where conservative students get hammered when they oppose their view.


5 posted on 11/18/2011 2:16:33 AM PST by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: MacMattico

Depending on how determined you are, file a formal complaint, get an attorney, hire a PI to investigate the suspect teachers ... or home school.


6 posted on 11/18/2011 2:22:37 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Java4Jay

And my daughter is one conservative girl... But at least she’ll be an adult and I hope she can stand up for herself, like I had to do in college. Although I’ll admit to writing some liberal garbage in a pinch to keep my grades up.


7 posted on 11/18/2011 2:39:00 AM PST by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico

Maybe your kid is just not working hard enough and you are too much of a helicopter Mom?


8 posted on 11/18/2011 2:41:43 AM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Truth29
Last year I told the Principal I was going to the Superintendent and Board of Education. All of a sudden a “mistake” was found that was “fixed”, but I feel like they've prepared for me this year. Her low grades came from two teachers that have been there forever, one she mentions being afraid of and after he made another girl cry over who knows what, my daughter saw this teacher and another male teacher that she had and really liked, screaming at each other in hall after school, but they stopped when they saw her and she couldn't hear what they said.
9 posted on 11/18/2011 2:49:17 AM PST by MacMattico
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To: caver
Maybe. But it's interesting that in every class but two she receives high 90’s and even at the 5 week point had 90’s in these classes. Five weeks later these grades from teachers with questionable pasts suddenly drop to the exact point where she gets an 89 instead of 90 which takes her out of honors, etc
10 posted on 11/18/2011 2:53:34 AM PST by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico
Rule #1.... Life is not fair

Improvise, adapt and overcome is the best way to handle life.

Anyone someone challengers the system... it is almost an always guaranteed loss. You have to understand the nature of the “Beast” and then decide if it's worth the battle. Pick and choose your battles carefully and always think of what it will cost you if you lose. If you win will it be worth all the effort?

I don't think you are paranoid and yes the teachers are punishing you. You can never prove it, but I believe you are correct.

11 posted on 11/18/2011 3:01:23 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: MacMattico
Is this a public school?
If I were raising children again and had no option to homeschool I'd need a straitjacket. I sympathize with you
12 posted on 11/18/2011 3:19:35 AM PST by stormhill
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To: MacMattico

My son was an honors student for 4 straight years. He compiled A grades and above for all 4 years of high school including AP courses and was ranked third in a class of 365 students. . What a kick in his teeth to him it was to get a B grade in Fizz Ed on the last report card of his senior year.


13 posted on 11/18/2011 3:24:49 AM PST by Renegade
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To: MacMattico

Get your DAUGHTER to go in and fight for that extra 0.1%.
Students who put in that effort usually succeed. Focus on objective questioning of each point.
Don’t let her just sit there and take it.

But SHE is the one who must do it, not you. You can aid and guide her, but don’t do it instead of her.


14 posted on 11/18/2011 3:43:25 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: MacMattico

Go to the school board. They are elected, and won’t like the press.


15 posted on 11/18/2011 4:26:04 AM PST by Jaidyn
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To: MacMattico

Not once in my adult life has anyone asked me about my grades.

As long as your kids are safe, who cares about the honors?

Worry about whether or not your kid can self-motivate and adjust to adversity, and stop looking to others for validation. Teach them to do the right thing on their own, for their own self-satisfaction.

And remind yourself that no one likes working with a know-it-all, a crusader or someone with a persecution complex. It sure sounds like that’s what you’re projecting to the teachers. No wonder they’re turned off.


16 posted on 11/18/2011 5:01:05 AM PST by sbMKE
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To: stormhill
Yes, public school that I attended! I'd consider homeschooling but overall she likes her school and enjoys the activities and sports, also band.

I'm afraid I'd be lazy and get her behind!

17 posted on 11/18/2011 5:07:51 AM PST by MacMattico
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To: sbMKE
If I'm projecting a know-it-all attitude it's because for three years I keep finding simple mistakes they've made, including averaging tests and final grades.

I am teaching them to live with integrity and search for self satisfaction.

The one in question definitely self motivates which is why it's so hard on her that this happened.

To bad if the teachers are turned off, they need to do there job despite me if I'm the issue, they're my daughters grades.

18 posted on 11/18/2011 5:17:56 AM PST by MacMattico
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To: Jaidyn

Yes, told the Principal that’s the next step.


19 posted on 11/18/2011 5:18:53 AM PST by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico

Stay out of it. It’s ultimately meaningless. Infuriating, to be sure, but just not that important. I know I got some award at graduation, but, for the life of me, I don’t remember what it was for. Neither will she.


20 posted on 11/18/2011 5:21:13 AM PST by BfloGuy (Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: MacMattico

I don’t think you’re paranoid, but with all due respect, I think you’re hovering. If your child is doing honors work, she’s in middle-school or above (you didn’t say).

I think it’s time that you allowed her to take responsibility for her own grades. I’ve had four children; my last is a senior in high school. By the time they reached 7th grade they knew the responsibility lay with them. The only time I ever confronted a teacher was when my obsessive-compulsive daughter brought home a “journalism” project where she had to write her own obituary - a ridiculous concept that she would have had nightmares about for a long time to come.

Until you step back and let your daughter do HER job (school), the teachers will continue to view you as an annoyance, and her grades MIGHT reflect that.

On the other hand, perhaps she simply made some errors on a test? No one can be perfect all the time.


21 posted on 11/18/2011 5:33:28 AM PST by melissa_in_ga (Laz would hit it.)
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To: MacMattico

One more reason we home school our kids.


22 posted on 11/18/2011 5:40:10 AM PST by JakeS (I have never had a flu shot and I have never had the flu.)
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To: MacMattico

When a teacher asks for an assignment in a specific format, I always found it useful to follow directions.

I don’t know what all is ‘going on’ but it may well be that you are more interested in her grades than she is. I always told my daughter I did not care about the grade she brought home ( though they were always good), what I cared about was whether she learned something


23 posted on 11/18/2011 5:48:58 AM PST by Nifster
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To: MacMattico
I used to think parents like you were overbearing. Then I had children. And my daughter is in 1st grade. She had the math homework assignment linked below. The unit was on subtraction and she said she was confused by the question. She told me she thought the answer was 11 and I told her based on the way the question was asked, she was correct. She was upset for getting it 'wrong' and had to 'correct' it (shown). Take a look at the question for yourself. It's hard to explain to a 1st grader than her teacher is a moron. I felt she should have gotten a gold star for answering the question correctly.

So yeah, my heart goes out to you.


24 posted on 11/18/2011 5:50:09 AM PST by MatD
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To: MacMattico
I never had any problems getting what I wanted from the principals of my daughters schools when they were incarcerated in the public school system. I told them what I wanted and got it. By the time they were in high school, the girls mostly went down to see the principal and got what they needed so nobody had to deal with my going down there.

The Republican convention hat I habitually wore when I did go might have helped. I wasn't a delegate, but volunteered for the GOP and was given a hat. Nobody asked. I also mentioned to our Representative's people that my daughter had worked for his campaign when he was going to meet with a group she was a member of. The four times life size portrait of MLK my wife did for the girls' elementary school and was kind enough to loan to the superintendent probably didn't hurt matters, either.

It probably would have been a lot easier to home school. That is what I would have done if I knew then what I know now.

25 posted on 11/18/2011 5:50:14 AM PST by magslinger (Who cares if they are"electable" if they are going to govern like Democrats? -noprogs)
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What you are teaching them is that you care more about the grade than your child. Who goes around checking averages for thei children’s grades? Is there so little going on in your life that you have to live through your children? It seems to me that threatening to go to the school board over a .1% difference ( what you call rounding) is a waste of the school board’s time and effort. You mention that it is math and science that she is getting lower grades in, have you ever considered that she just is not doing the work the way the teacher has asked for it to be done? I still remember a college thermodynamics class where the prof insisted that you fold the paper a certain way, put your name in the upper right hand corner, and an answer column down the left margin. If you did not do it that way you got ZERO for the assignment (even if it was the final exam). I only had to screw that up on one quiz before I became compliant....lesson learned


26 posted on 11/18/2011 5:56:08 AM PST by Nifster
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To: MacMattico

Regarding the math journal, was it specified in the assignment that a marble notebook be used?


27 posted on 11/18/2011 6:01:09 AM PST by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: MacMattico
I don't know why they keep marking me wrong-

28 posted on 11/18/2011 6:05:07 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Obviously it’s the break in the line 2.5 cm from the x. Were you to have drawn a proper triangle.... ;)


29 posted on 11/18/2011 6:12:25 AM PST by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: MatD

You’re kidding, right?
The unit was on subtraction.
There are 6 balloons of one color, and five balloons of another color. How many more balloons of the first color are there?
This is not subjective. It’s not open to interpretation. Words mean things, and math is an absolute science.
6 - 5 = 1. Always 1. Never 11.


30 posted on 11/18/2011 7:36:29 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: MacMattico
Teachers are professinoals. Not one would even act out towards a child.

Or maybe they would.

31 posted on 11/18/2011 7:41:22 AM PST by Mr.Unique (Very generic, non-offensive, tagline.)
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Teachers are professinoals.

Maybe except for you spelling teacher. ;)

32 posted on 11/18/2011 7:44:00 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: Mr.Unique

Public school administrators like to brag that they have cameras in every hallway, on buses, all over the place. What these administrators have to realize is that parents and students will respond in kind — sort of like a “Spy vs. Spy” situation if they are unhappy with a student’s treatment.

We now have a case in my state that is similar to this one, and it involves a special ed teacher and a student wearing a recording device.


33 posted on 11/18/2011 7:57:36 AM PST by goldi (')
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To: MacMattico
It's a big deal to the kids, I know it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, but it's important to them.
In fifty years she'll see her classmates at the reunion, and the distortion field of school grades won't mean a thing. At all. IMHO your job as a parent should be to keep that in mind.
If your reference to "honor society" means what I suppose, your child is a senior or at least a junior. Which means that whatever the teachers have done is pretty much done.
You mention math and science; if your girl is less than a senior she could readily wire in good grades in the future by spending time on the khanacademy.org site. Even if she's a senior, she can by mere act of will attain such mastery of math and science there as to gain a "brainiac" reputation with her classmates.

If she actually cares about it . . .


34 posted on 11/18/2011 8:01:26 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: BykrBayb

The color part looks like it was added after grading the b/w handout. Initially it looks to have read “You have six balloons. You have five balloons. How many more balloons are there?”, to which “11” is a legitimate answer.


35 posted on 11/18/2011 8:11:36 AM PST by Eepsy
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To: MacMattico

I have related and equally important issue freepers need to know about: my elderly neighbor just doesn’t seem to be keeping up with his leaf raking this year. When the wind blows his leaves end up in my yard, where I have to deal with them. What does everybody think I should do? I think I should pummel the old jerk.


36 posted on 11/18/2011 8:47:00 AM PST by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: dfwgator
Maybe except for you spelling teacher. ;)

Nope, that most assuredly a problem with the student. I can't type or spell. Ouch!

37 posted on 11/18/2011 9:29:21 AM PST by Mr.Unique (Very generic, non-offensive, tagline.)
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To: BykrBayb

If you can see that the balloons are different color on a black and white copy then you are a better person that the rest of the population.


38 posted on 11/18/2011 9:31:07 AM PST by MatD
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Unfortunately for them, we had a pattern of evidence the lesbos in our high school were coordinating grade attacks and false disciplinary reports on successful athletic boys. And we had a lawyer mom who discussed the possibility of a class action law suit for systematic discrimination against boys. That is when it stopped.

Nothing is beyond public school teachers and administration. Nothing.

You can't control it beyond the evidence. So, just smile and wait. Sooner or later you will nail them again. Parents are not meant to be best friends with public school employees. You are the only advocate your kid has and although the staff are mean, you still have to stand up for yourself AND other parents.

39 posted on 11/18/2011 9:53:08 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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Maybe except for you spelling teacher. ;)

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And you grammar teacher.


40 posted on 11/18/2011 11:26:51 AM PST by dmz
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The “r” key was stuck, honest!


41 posted on 11/18/2011 11:27:51 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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The “r” key was stuck, honest!

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surrrrrrrrrrrrrre it was.


42 posted on 11/18/2011 12:30:09 PM PST by dmz
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To: MatD
If the original was black and white, and if you had no way of knowing they were different colors, that still doesn't explain why you would think you were supposed to add all the balloons together. The unit was about subtraction. The question was "How many more are there?" Do you see that word "more" in there? It means something. More than what? It certainly doesn't mean "add all the balloons together." The only way the problem makes any sense is if the balloons are different. If the teacher failed to explain to the children that the balloons were different colors, any adult reading the problem should have guessed as much. The teacher may have erred in handing out black and white copies of a test that was originally in color without explaining it to the children, but any grownup who understands that words mean things should have instantly understood. It looks from the markings on the paper that the teacher went on to explain it to the child, and it took less effort than trying to explain it to you.
43 posted on 11/18/2011 3:03:00 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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BykrBayb said: "Never 11."

Sounds like a good way to find out whether a child is colorblind or not.

44 posted on 11/18/2011 9:38:20 PM PST by William Tell
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In your version, you still don’t have 11 more balloons. If you have 6 balloons, then you have 5 balloons, you have 1 less balloon, not 11 more.


45 posted on 11/19/2011 2:15:20 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: William Tell

Or maybe it’s a way of exploring the child’s feelings about balloons.


46 posted on 11/19/2011 2:56:38 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: MacMattico; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; Aggie Mama; agrace; AliVeritas; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

47 posted on 11/19/2011 5:11:40 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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I know a girl who graduated from high school recently who graduated 5th in her class with an average of over 95 and COULD NOT get into the NHS, even though she applied for each of the four years of high school.

The reason?

Not enough volunteer hours......

Even though she had more volunteer hours and a higher average than other students who were let in.

Politics much?


48 posted on 11/19/2011 5:14:25 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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And my daughter is one conservative girl... But at least she’ll be an adult and I hope she can stand up for herself, like I had to do in college. Although I’ll admit to writing some liberal garbage in a pinch to keep my grades up.

My kids all learned to do that. Many profs are good, but there are some who don't want to think or have the students think for themselves.

So you just learn to feed them what they want to hear.

49 posted on 11/19/2011 5:16:35 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: caver; MacMattico
Maybe your kid is just not working hard enough and you are too much of a helicopter Mom?

Maybe you're a moron.

50 posted on 11/19/2011 5:18:41 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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