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William Broadhead, an associate professor of history at MIT [Photo: Dominick Reuter]

Rethinking the fall of Romes republic

1 posted on 11/19/2011 2:32:48 AM PST by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv
...a powerful general goes to the population and says, 'Will you all fight with me?'

If my memory serves, was it not Gaius Marius who first instituted this system, and is this not already widely known? This was before Sulla became the Dictator

3 posted on 11/19/2011 4:37:32 AM PST by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the People's Republic of Boulder)
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To: SunkenCiv
Goes to show that privatizing the military is a bad idea. You really don't want your generals having their armies loyal to them above the state. There were cohorts assigned just to the Emperor and Rome, they could also be sent to crush rebellious legions. Other legions were not allowed into Rome. All of that was a pretty solid counterbalance except for the fact that people take bribes. Once people figured out that you could bribe the Emperor’s own guard to kill him, stability goes out the window. I do sometimes think that a good novelist could make a fantastic book out of a coup in the United States where a general bribes the Secret Service to kill the President.
4 posted on 11/19/2011 4:44:36 AM PST by dog breath
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To: SunkenCiv

Why did the Romans speak Latin and not Roman, and who were the Latins, the tribe dwelling near the city of Rome?


6 posted on 11/19/2011 5:29:36 AM PST by RoadTest (For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.)
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To: SunkenCiv
A piece of news last week made me think of the fall of Rome itself (500 years after the switch from Republic to Empire): thieves stole the copper sword from Lincoln's tomb.

How close to societal collapse are we?

10 posted on 11/19/2011 6:18:35 AM PST by Vide
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12 posted on 11/19/2011 7:16:21 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: SunkenCiv

My understanding was that in the Roman-ruled colonies, such as Britain, regulations became so restrictive, so micromanaging and inflation so high that it crumbled as people picked up and moved in large migrations.


20 posted on 11/19/2011 12:32:27 PM PST by marsh2
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To: SunkenCiv

Heck, not just the Italic provinces, but all over the empire, in its latter days. Iberia, Cisalpine Gaul, parts of Austria and the Balkans, if memory serves.

And detente and occasional (shaky) alliances with the Huns, etc., once the Romans could no longer keep them out of western and southwestern Europe.

With such a diversity (hmmmm!) of so-called allies, troops and lower-level commanders, the occasional rogue element could be expected to arise. (cf. the first Caesar.)


29 posted on 11/19/2011 8:21:27 PM PST by Erasmus (I love "The Raven," but then what do I know? I'm just a poetaster.)
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To: SunkenCiv

“Broadhead has crafted a novel hypothesis about how Caesar — as well as Sulla a few decades before, and Augustus several years later — could march on Rome with his own legions.

“My interpretation is a demographic one,” Broadhead says”

Why is it historians somehow cannot accept the fact that a republic can be toppled by a handful of greedy men lusting after power, especially when they essentially have their own private armies? If you want to explain the fall of the Roman Republic, one needs to look no further than ambition.


32 posted on 11/20/2011 5:58:46 AM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: SunkenCiv
>>Population movement led to the personal client army of the late republic, which has long been recognized as a key to understanding its fall."

Recently, the History Channel examined the history of the Roman soldier. He went from a high-trained, massively-equipped Roman professional at the time of Caesar to a provincial joke of a mercinary with straw armor and no training at the time of the fall 400 years later. Coincidentally, this is what Obama is trying to do to our military.

42 posted on 11/21/2011 8:05:42 AM PST by pabianice (")
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