Posted on 11/29/2011 10:58:46 PM PST by Kevmo
As the Scam Turns.
The Ecats of Our Lives.
All My Ecats.
General Ecats
Where did you ever see me say/write I believe in Rossi's Ecat? My lack of shared certitude in your faith does not mean I have certitude in the opposite direction.
I'm just irritated at the poor logic frequently put forth by many detractors. If Rossi's Ecat turns out a scam, one tragedy is that many people will declare themselves vindicated, despite months of poor logic and lousy arguments that will turn out to have been unrelated to the truth when it comes out.
Unlike the geometric logic of Kevmo and Captain Queeg.
Continuing to go along with this as a thought experiment - I wonder what safety standards would apply to an electrically energized, nuclear powered water heating device? The market will be near nil unless manufacturers can affix a UL/CSA/CE mark. Any installation by an end user would likely void their site liability or homeowners insurance policy.
Has anyone done more than pay lip service to this issue? Defkalion says it will be certified by an independent lab. As one who has dealt with electrical, fire safety and food service equipment certification, I can tell you this won’t be trivial. Just another real world fly for the ointment...
Dr Ray Stantz: You know, it just occurred to me that we really haven't had a successful test of this equipment.
Dr. Egon Spengler: I blame myself.
Dr. Peter Venkman: So do I.
Dr Ray Stantz: Well, no sense in worrying about it now.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Why worry? Each one of us is carrying an unlicensed nuclear accelerator on his back.
Just be careful not to cross the streams...
Then go and prove that Defkalion is just another shell company. Expose the scam once and for all.
The golden ring lies before you.
I’m sorry, but I don’t read Greek, and I’m unfamiliar with Greek corporate law. I am familiar with US corporate law and with researching companies here. I have to rely on someone else to provide evidence proving that Defkalion is unrelated to Rossi. Until that evidence appears, I will assume that it is the same as every other “customer” and “partner” of Rossi’s to date: a related entity.
I assume nothing as I have no proof, and don’t plan to make definitive statements as if they are truth.
You don’t have any proof about the true nature of Defkalion, but you DO have truth about Rossi’s other “customers” and “partners.” If the latter are shell companies related to Rossi, why wouldn’t the former be?
Because no one has established a definite link. Until they do, what I read from them is they were able to overcome some of the problems Rossi couldn’t and have made the tech more viable. That is within the realm of possibility, and a simpler explanation than a scam.
Not that I’m ruling out a scam on Defkalion’s part. Just not ruling it in yet either, and also not ruling in that they are in on it with Rossi.
Actually, “scam” is the simplest possible explanation, especially when the man in question is Rossi, a convicted scammer.
I was not aware he was convicted as a scammer, but was convicted for breaking a law that was passed after he was already in business that made his product illegal ex-post facto.
Like Hydrogen through an E-cat
so are the days of our lives...
LOL. I hope you don’t mind if I use that here on FR.
I was not aware he was convicted as a scammer, but was convicted for breaking a law that was passed after he was already in business that made his product illegal ex-post facto.That's Rossi's version of events. The facts are considerably more damning. He was also convicted of money laundering, tax evasion and racketeering related to Petrol Dragon, as well as convicted of fraud and tax evasion on the totally unrelated "gold shipment" scam.
I've collected a large number of references you might want to check out before you reach any conclusions about Rossi's credibility. The LINK is just a few posts above this one.
I think that the involvement of Defkalion is really quite clever. They will no doubt be able to shrug off any customer complaints based on unexpected trouble in copying Rossi's design. This could well insulate them from many legal traps.
I am amused that at practically the same time that Defkalion claims "My scientists found a way to make it. They need three months", they have also released a multi-page specification which calls out "10mWh" for "Controls and safety/operational electronics".
We are to believe that Defkalion is as yet uncertain of exactly how to make the working mechanism, but they are certain that it will take "10mwh" to power the controls.
I think that the involvement of Defkalion is really quite clever.If you assume that there are no working devices, I could see this playing out as follows:
Rossi and Defkalion are secretly working together. They are each collecting money from investors who must agree to strict non-disclosure contracts, so they can't blab and ruin the scam.
Meanwhile, Rossi and Defkalion start suing each other over various matters. They then use the lawsuits as an excuse to not actually deliver any devices.
They keep collecting investor's money and keep up the lawsuits as long as practical, then they shut down their operation and fade into the woodwork.
The investors believe that all their money was "wasted" on the lawsuits and wander off to find another scheme in which to invest.
The secret to a successful scam is to take the victim's money without letting the victim even know that they've been scammed.
Yes. And on top of that, the victim won't even be certain who lost their money. Defkalion will claim that it had rights to Rossi's invention and were unsuccessful at stealing it. Rossi will claim that his results were encouraging but that for reasons not understood he can no longer demonstrate the effect. I'm sure that he will be very dedicated in trying to reproduce his early "successes".
Good points.
But the upside is tremendous once you acknowledge the reality of commercially available LENR. You start in industrial before you go to homeowners, just like was done for so many products preceding it.
Disruptive technology makes waves even among non-technology industries. For instance, let’s say you’re the first homeowner insurance company to allow ecats — that could give you an edge over your competition.
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