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“Experts determined that the cloth of Manoppello is not Veronica’s veil, but rather the face cloth layed over the face of Jesus in the tomb. Unlike the Shroud of Turin, which is a “negative” of the image, the image on the face cloth is a “positive” of the face of Christ. “

Experts have determined no such thing. It is actually from a much later time and is reported in history. It is a self-portrait of the painter Raphael as a young man painted on Byssus... a very rare, extremely expensive cloth... or still expensive French Cambric cotton. There are extant letters between Raphael (1483-1520) and Albrecht Dürer (1471-1528) in which they discuss these transparent paintings which they exchanged between themselves. Under a microscope, pigments can be seen on the Manoppello veil., especially in the whites of the eyes.. and it is described in the Raphael letter to Dürer from 1507 - 1508. . . about 130 years before it shows up in Manoppello in 1638.

The first picture above is a self-portrait of Raphael at age 20, the second is the Manoppello Veronica, the third is Raphael's self-portrait at about 32 years old (He died at 37)... the two self-portraits book end the of age 22- 25 at which age he painted the byssus/cambric painting he sent to Dürer which is thought to be the image in Manoppello. You can see the image is very much like him.

The last image is the Vatican's Veronica... on linen.

There seems to be a lot of questionable statements made as fact when it comes to these Veils.

I still don’t have a definitive answer as to whether the expert on byssus said this veil was made of byssus or cambria.

What exactly did she say?

In regards to the transparent paintings...are you sure that Raphael sent a transparent painting?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=transparent%20paintings%20raphael%20letters%20to%20d%C3%BCrer&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CDcQFjAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwebspace.yale.edu%2Fwood%2Fdocuments%2Fmessagefromraphaelenglish.pdf&ei=uf71TtK3MYqOgwevsYWzAg&usg=AFQjCNEdcZ75LuLwUh2_RjqVC1uoW2C8yA&cad=rja

Certainly Durer did. Certainly it shows it is possible. Maybe Raphael didn’t paint it but someone else did.

If the veil is byssus and not cambric does that change the dynamic?

By the way, what do you think of Vincent Ruello’s claim that he can see the face on Veronica’s veil at St Peters through his special filming process. I found that this morning but all the videos have been removed that I have found so far - leading me to think it was a hoax.

My cursory research, which is FAR LESS than yours, does not back up what you claim.

I find that Durer sent a transparent painting to Raphael. I have seen it described as fine silk , cambric, and byssus. I have seen references that byssus back then could have had a more generic meaning than it does today. Thus, the different words used by Vasari to describe the painting don’t conflict.

It was left to Guilio Romano. Vasari saw it in Mantua. Romano placed it at the Palace at Mantua. In exchange, Durer got nude drawings for the Battle of Ostia.

Raphael wanted to depict Durer in a Stanza.

This is not to say that Raphael isn’t reponsible for the Veronica’s Veil or that someone else isn’t reponsible.

But it is a leap to say Vasari says Raphael sent a transparent painting.

I would be very interested to see where you got your info.