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The great Girl Scouts cookie debate: should we give Girl Scouts a second chance?
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/should-we-give-girl-scouts-a-second-chance ^ | 1/18/2012 | John Jalsevac

Posted on 01/18/2012 4:03:31 PM PST by Morgana

anuary 18, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Cathy Ruse’s article yesterday urging pro-life and pro-family advocates not to buy Girl Scouts of America (GSA) cookies, both because of the organization’s ties to Planned Parenthood and an overall “progressive” agenda, has ignited quite the debate. Not only is the article LifeSiteNews’ most read article of the week, it has also drawn an enormous amount of commentary, both supportive and critical.

Lots of readers agree that GSA’s ties to Planned Parenthood disqualify its cookie initiative from receiving support, while others argue it’s unfair to tar the whole organization with the actions of some GSA bureaucrats and councils, pointing out that the pro-abortion activism doesn’t necessarily (and often doesn’t) filter down to many of the individual troops, which still do a lot of good. One impassioned reader wrote:

I am a Girl Scout leader and I can attest to the fact that I have never heard of any comments about pro-choice or abortion rights from my council or anyone else in the organization and this is certainly not talked about with the girls. We are an all volunteer organization and there are some people that have made mistakes with certain topics, but we are not all that way and certainly do not all support abortion.

The first thing worth noting is that Cathy didn’t say Girl Scouts should get no support at all, but confined her remarks to the cookie sale, pointing out that most of the funds don’t even go to the local troop (troops receive as little as 10% of the profit). Instead, they fund Girl Scout councils or the head office, where the problems originate.

Hence the question that immediately occurred to me after reading Cathy’s article was, would it be all right to directly support your local girl scout troop, in lieu of buying cookies?

But the whole thing might remind some of the “fungibility” problem we see in the Planned Parenthood tax-funding debate: even though they are technically forbidden from using our money for the objectionable stuff (i.e. abortions), any support at all means we’re freeing up money for the organization to do those things we disagree with. Some might say this is what funding any part of GSA amounts to as well.

However, I’m not sure I buy that, since Girl Scouts isn’t a business the way Planned Parenthood is: it’s an organization with largely autonomous troops, with the character of the individual troops largely determined by volunteer troop leaders and the girls in the troop. The direct financial relationship between the cookies initiative and the GSA hierarchy is obvious: but I see no such relationship when giving money to a local troop. Will such money end up at the head office, and ultimately at Planned Parenthood? It seems unlikely.

In fact, to me there might be a valid argument that getting involved with and supporting your local Girl Scout troop is a good way to protect it from some of the nonsense coming from head office. Of course, if you know that the leadership of your local troop is already taking its cues on social issues from head office, then it might be better not to support that troop, and to support an alternative, unless it looks like there is some hope for change in the troop.

My fear is that in this case the “spotlight fallacy” may be at work: that is, we may be judging the whole organization based upon a few high-profile instances of pro-abortion activism by a small, if powerful, segment of the organization. But just because the GSA leadership is promoting abortion rights at the UN doesn’t mean that your local troop has in any way contributed to that initiative.

Hence, the question seems to come down to just how systemic the rot in GSA is. Is it so widespread that the whole organization is compromised, or is it contained enough that we can work in good conscience with the good sections, ensuring that no anti-life rot enters into them, and perhaps pushing the rot further back?

A 2004 survey conducted by STOPP International gives us some information on this question. That survey found that around 25% of councils who responded to the survey said they were partnering with Planned Parenthood in some way. That’s a considerable number. However, only 65 out of 249 councils responded to the survey, leaving the vast majority of them unaccounted for. And keep in mind that these are councils rather than individual troops, which are even more numerous.

Personally, I would like to see more information before I make up my mind about GSA. I absolutely condemn the anti-life actions that have been performed in GSA’s name by its members, and I condemn any partnership of any kind with Planned Parenthood, but I must ask, is there still some way that we can in good conscience support GSA, or is it beyond hope?

What do you think?

Some links with more info about Girl Scouts’ anti-life activism:

100 Questions for Girl Scouts

As noted in the Girl Scouts and Pro-Abortion WAGGGS section, GSUSA also supports abortion rights through their membership in, substantial funding of, and close relationship with the World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts (WAGGGS), which aggressively promotes accessible, affordable and safe abortions.

Girl Scouts partner with Planned Parenthood:

On March 5th [2004] Kathy Cloninger, CEO of the Girl Scouts of America, appeared on NBC’s “Today” show to discuss the boycott. … Cloninger explained that Girl Scouts of America addresses the challenges girls face in today’s world, including issues regarding sexuality and body image. She then added, “We partner with many organizations. We have relationships with our church communities, with YWCAs, and with Planned Parenthood organizations across the country, to bring information-based sex education programs to girls.”


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: abortion; cookie; cookies; girlscouts; gsa; homosexualagenda; prolife
FReepers you can buy identical cookies at either Family Dollar or Dollar Generals stores!

It is the same cookies, made by the same company which is Keibler, it is only packaged as a store brand.

At Dollar General it is packaged under the name "Clover Valley". Not sure about Family Dollar.

I have had the GD and FD cookies and they taste exactly the same.

For the record they are cheaper at both stores too. About $1.80 per box compared to about $4.00 by the Girl Scouts.

1 posted on 01/18/2012 4:03:41 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana

It’s time to stop supporting Leftist organizations such as the Girl Scouts and AARP and join alternative ones.


2 posted on 01/18/2012 4:14:24 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Morgana

It’s immaterial if the local troops have nothing to do with supporting Planned Parenthood or the abortion agenda directly. The local troops support the national organization, so they are supporting the agenda just the same. Since they’ve taken no action on their own to rectify that, obviously the only thing that will spur them to action is outside pressure. If they don’t like it, then they need to complain to the source of the problem, the national organization, not to those applying the pressure.


3 posted on 01/18/2012 4:19:51 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Local troops have spread the message of Planned Parenthood to the girls by way of birth control and abortion. Think they will have a baby killing badge for that?


4 posted on 01/18/2012 4:23:12 PM PST by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: Morgana

(I’m walking up to a place of business where Girl Scouts are selling cookies.)

Girl Scouts: “Would you like to buy some Girl Scout cookies, Mister?”

Me: “I’m so sorry, ladies, but I won’t be purchasing Girl Scout cookies anymore even though they are very tasty!”

Girl Scouts: “Why not?”

Me: “Because GSHQ now allows boys who dress like girls to become Girl Scouts. Plus, the people at GSHQ like to kill babies with the help of Planned Parenthood. You can always join the American Heritage Girls who don’t think that way.”

Saying it that way would freak the girls out and more than likely upset the troop Mother. Then I’d give the troop mother the websites where she can find out more information.
http://www.100questionsforthegirlscouts.org/100/
http://www.ahgonline.org/


5 posted on 01/18/2012 4:29:02 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Morgana

A second chance? Sure, I’m always willing to give folks a second chance.

Let ‘em discontinue and disavow their evil ways, and I’ll start buying their cookies again.


6 posted on 01/18/2012 4:35:56 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“Me: “Because GSHQ now allows boys who dress like girls to become Girl Scouts. Plus, the people at GSHQ like to kill babies with the help of Planned Parenthood. You can always join the American Heritage Girls who don’t think that way.””

Sometimes they need to be told the truth. Never mind the looks from the mothers, more than likely they aborted either the girl’s brother or sister or else they would not give you a dirty look.


7 posted on 01/18/2012 4:36:26 PM PST by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: Morgana

Girl Scouts anymore is merely a front organization for radical lesbians who use the group to shield their predation on young girls.

I know this from personal experience.

I won’t buy their cookies and I certainly won’t support their organization anymore than I would support NAMBLA if they sold overpriced cookies.


8 posted on 01/18/2012 4:39:34 PM PST by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: Morgana

Well to be fair regarding the $4 price. Part of the proceeds go to the GSOA. But on the other hand ....


9 posted on 01/18/2012 4:43:57 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: Morgana

why would local GS troops need to replicate what the kids already get in school and often in church, too? (sarc)

BTW, what an uninformed irrational comment.


10 posted on 01/18/2012 4:45:16 PM PST by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common- Voltaire)
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To: Morgana

I will give the local girls the $4.00 and tell them to send the cookies back to the national Organisation with a note saying we don’t approve of abortions.


11 posted on 01/18/2012 4:51:07 PM PST by Venturer
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To: SkyDancer

“Well to be fair regarding the $4 price. Part of the proceeds go to the GSOA. But on the other hand ....”

In this economy you really have $4.00 to blow on endless carbs that supports Planned Parenthood and the homosexual agenda? In some places a gallon of gas or milk costs $4.00.

Those things are over inflated.


12 posted on 01/18/2012 4:52:24 PM PST by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: Morgana

This isn’t about the kids!

It’s about the hijacking of a once admirable organization, by a bunch of liberals, seeking to undermine our culture.

They must be stopped.


13 posted on 01/18/2012 4:52:24 PM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: Morgana

I can’t in good conscience buy GS cookies. The agenda of the parent organization is evil; that’s an automatic disqualifier.


14 posted on 01/18/2012 4:56:40 PM PST by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: G Larry

“This isn’t about the kids!”

That is where you are wrong. Planned Parenthood and others are using the GSA to get to kids while they are young and impressionable. GS Cookies are funding the leftist organization that corrupts young girls.


15 posted on 01/18/2012 4:57:33 PM PST by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: Morgana

Well I was just saying that their cookie sales are a fund drive. True they’re high priced but again it’s a fund raiser. OTOH I do not like where some of those funds go; as you said, their agenda. You can choose not to buy them. As for gas or milk you can’t.


16 posted on 01/18/2012 4:59:38 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: All

not just no but HELL NO.

the GS should die an ignoble death on the ash heap of history.


17 posted on 01/18/2012 5:00:31 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Boogieman

Local troops support themselves first (we start a troop with nothing)

The only official money-earning the girls can do is cookie sales to pay for their troop activities, so that is how the 8 yr olds pay for camp and most also vote to give money away to charity. They earn .50 -.80 a box depending on incentives, the more the troop sells, the more profit. Many troops subsist on a couple hundred bucks for the year. Yet our 20+ community troops spent some of their cookie money on at least 36 Christmas gifts for homeless kids and many troops drove up to BWI and handed out cookies to troops coming back from overseas and at the USO. If you ever pass by a USO ask how many boxes of donated GS cookies they have.

Next level up, we support the Councils, they run the camps and our programs for training and fun. Councils could accept program help from PP if the members wanted it, ours do not and our Council does not.

No interaction with National except to buy books badges and uniforms. National benefits from cookie sales only through the licensing fees companies pay to use logo and brand

The membership dues are $12 a year BTW (includes national and international membership) So no one who joins GSUSA is funding much of anything

Your federal taxes fund Planned Parenthood. So do your church offerings and corporate donations from many of the products you buy every day. Talking tough about boycotting the IRS? AT&T? Exxon?


18 posted on 01/18/2012 5:03:09 PM PST by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common- Voltaire)
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To: Boogieman

Local troops support themselves first (we start a troop with nothing)

The only official money-earning the girls can do is cookie sales to pay for their troop activities, so that is how the 8 yr olds pay for camp and most also vote to give money away to charity. They earn .50 -.80 a box depending on incentives, the more the troop sells, the more profit. Many troops subsist on a couple hundred bucks for the year. Yet our 20+ community troops spent some of their cookie money on at least 36 Christmas gifts for homeless kids and many troops drove up to BWI and handed out cookies to troops coming back from overseas and at the USO. If you ever pass by a USO ask how many boxes of donated GS cookies they have.

Next level up, we support the Councils, they run the camps and our programs for training and fun. Councils could accept program help from PP if the members wanted it, ours do not and our Council does not.

No interaction with National except to buy books badges and uniforms. National benefits from cookie sales only through the licensing fees companies pay to use logo and brand

The membership dues are $12 a year BTW (includes national and international membership) So no one who joins GSUSA is funding much of anything

Your federal taxes fund Planned Parenthood. So do your church offerings and corporate donations from many of the products you buy every day. Talking tough about boycotting the IRS? AT&T? Exxon?


19 posted on 01/18/2012 5:03:47 PM PST by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common- Voltaire)
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To: Morgana

$4 for third rate cookies with all those fats and taste of sawdust? I don’t think so.


20 posted on 01/18/2012 5:03:51 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory

Well, there’s always $25 Boy Scout popcorn loaded with artificial fat rendered to taste like butter, and coated with waxy chocolate

yum


21 posted on 01/18/2012 5:07:59 PM PST by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common- Voltaire)
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To: Morgana

The message you typed out needs to be given to the mothers, and not the girls.

The girls are but innocent pawns.

Lay into the mothers though, especially if they resist hearing the message.

I plan to. I plan to tell them, in front of their daughters, that they have an obligation to protect their daughters, and that they aren’t fufilling their duties as a parent because they are allowing their daughters to be part of Girl Scouts.

And I won’t be buying cookies.

The GS should be given a second chance, after they get rid of all the evildoers. In otherwords, not in my lifetime.


22 posted on 01/18/2012 5:20:01 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: silverleaf

Using your logic I can support ANY organization?


23 posted on 01/18/2012 5:21:54 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: Boogieman

That’s the ticket. The left has coopted many of our institutions. Girl Scouts join unions, education media, religious leadership, Wall Street leadership and the judiciary as coopted entities.

We are in a fight for the country folks. This election is important.


24 posted on 01/18/2012 5:22:41 PM PST by dools007
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25 posted on 01/18/2012 5:29:06 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Morgana
Should we give Girl Scouts a second chance?

Nope.

26 posted on 01/18/2012 5:34:40 PM PST by DesertSapper (Not part of the solution? Then you're on the wrong forum.)
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To: Morgana
A second chance for what, supporting a gaggle of bloated leftist organizations?
Who only give 10% back to the girls and push the gay agenda, abortion, and god knows what else.

Supporting the Girl Scouts is supporting the Enemy of America' freedom from within.

27 posted on 01/18/2012 5:40:50 PM PST by MaxMax
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To: G Larry

Yes. Hijacked by the Feminists and lesbians by the 1980’s to make little promiscuous whores who leave their babies in daycare if they don’t kill them.... and they are taught that homosexuality is good and men are evil and jobs are better than taking care of your offspring-—who end up being controlled and raised by the state.

It is enough reason for EVERYONE to take their kids out of this Marxist organization and NEVEr give to it.


28 posted on 01/18/2012 5:40:58 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law.)
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To: Morgana

I don’t care as much about admitting girls with nuts as much I care that the national group sucks up 90% of the proceeds. And I care about the boys thing a lot.


29 posted on 01/18/2012 5:45:39 PM PST by Cyber Liberty ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." --Winston Churchill)
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To: SkyDancer

“Part of the proceeds go to the GSOA.”

About 80 to 90 percent of it goes to the GSHQ. The rest goes to the locals.


30 posted on 01/18/2012 5:47:44 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Morgana

Could you possibly be more obtuse?

My post is clear that my objection is with those corrupting the organization.

My opening comment “This isn’t about the kids!”, clearly establishes that not buying the cookies isn’t meant to hurt the kids.


31 posted on 01/18/2012 6:08:19 PM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: silverleaf
Your argument is specious, because I'm not talking simply about financial support. By calling yourselves "Girl Scouts" and wearing Girl Scouts (TM) uniforms, you are de facto supporting the nationwide organization by your allegiance, even if you never give them one red cent. If the Pope decided to open an abortion clinic in the Vatican, the individual Catholic churches would still be seen as supporting it, even if they didn't kick any money that high up the ladder. If you don't support their policies, leave the organization or reform it, otherwise you will be associated with those policies.

As for your argument about the federal government, I don't have much recourse in that situation, do I? There is no option on the IRS 1040 to choose not to pay my taxes because I don't like how they spend the money. Short of becoming an expatriate or a criminal, all we can do is petition our government to stop supporting abortion through political channels, and I think most everyone on this website is already doing that.

Corporation donations are a better argument, but I still think you are missing the mark. Firstly, it's not reasonable to assume most citizens even have the time or ability to find out whether every company associated with every product and service that they buy is somehow supporting the abortion industry. However, it's a non sequiter to accuse them of hypocrisy simply because they want to punish organizations that they do become aware of as supporting this activity. We very likely would boycott the companies you cited, and others like them, if such behavior was brought to the attention of the pro-life crowd or the general public.

32 posted on 01/18/2012 6:08:38 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I joined American Seniors Association instead of AARP.


33 posted on 01/18/2012 6:11:23 PM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

What I was saying was after expenses the funds go to the HQ first. What they do with it I don’t know. Okay so you’re saying that the remainder goes back to the locals.


34 posted on 01/18/2012 6:14:54 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: silverleaf

with that sort of paltry return on the effort, why rely on that for raising the go-to-camp money?

The girls could do extra work around the house & neighborhood, or (heaven forfend!) even start their own little business to earn money for camp & dues.

And the experience will make good, self-reliant citizens out of them...

I know, because my (now-Eagle Scout) sons did it.


35 posted on 01/18/2012 6:30:40 PM PST by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you're aiming!)
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Should we give a second chance to them? The lesbian scout of America should truthfully tell Americans what their agenda is. Then we can say ‘HELL NO!!’


36 posted on 01/18/2012 7:52:59 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (If we stay home in November '12, don't blame 0 for tearing up the CONSTITUTION!!)
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To: Morgana

What alternative organizations are comparable to the Girl Scouts?


37 posted on 01/18/2012 8:26:38 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I won’t stop supporting the Girl Scouts because too many girls get a great deal of pleasure out of belonging.


38 posted on 01/18/2012 8:31:30 PM PST by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: Morgana

The Girl Scout organization just put a boy, whose mother feels he’s a girl, in the girl scouts, right? That’s enough for me. It should be enough for all parents. Why would you voluntarially put your girl in a group led by sexually twisted adults?


39 posted on 01/18/2012 9:02:40 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: SkyDancer

From what I have read the local GS organizations only get 10 to 20 percent of the money made on cookie sales. The rest goes to GSHQ.

You should do more research on what they do with the money at HQ.


40 posted on 01/18/2012 10:02:17 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: castlebrew

I suggests you take on a Girl Scout troop and try to give a groups of 6-10 year olds an alternate way for everyone to earn money for camp. Especially when some come from struggling families in very poor neighborhoods.

Given the lack of parental support and limited opportunities for elementary and middle school girls to go safely and independently out into the community to earn money, the organized cookie selling program is a great equalizer of opportunity for all the girls to participate.

The cookie season only runs about 6 weeks a year, which is good. Girl Scouts may ONLY raise money for their troops or Council, which is also good.

The cookie badges guide the girls into age-appropriate skills to run their own small group business. The activities help them develop a business plan and budgeting goals, to work as a team, and to meet adults as customers under the safe protection of trained adults in charge.

Cookie selling IS their own small business and has been for almost 75 years.

And they become a lot more good self reliant citizens than the dance schools here that push kids to earn thousands of dollars for costumes and the sports teams where the parents run concession stands to raise thousands of dollars for their kid’s uniforms and traveling leagues.

Given my experience with pushing overpriced popcorn for my Boy Scout, give me $4 a box cookies to sell ANY day.

And for every principled poster here who has a suggested comment to make to a child selling cookies, I have heard equal comments from liberals and homosexuals to the little Boy Scouts selling popcorn.


41 posted on 01/19/2012 6:38:19 AM PST by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common- Voltaire)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

and you should do more reading. In our GS Council the money not sent to the selling troops goes to support our camps and programs run by combination of paid staff and volunteers. It costs about $180 a year per girl on average to maintain the camp propeties and run programs (including those to train leaders)

The girls pay $12 a year dues to National GSUSA.

So go figure “what they do with the money at HQ”

As for National GSUSA and their “cut”, the baker cost includes the fee they pay to GSUSA for licensing the product and use of the logo and brand. Cookies is not the biggest source of revenue to GSUSA national HQ

http://www.girlscouts.org/program/gs_cookies/cookie_faqs.asp#money_where

Cookie Revenue

Q: When I buy Girl Scout Cookies, where does the money go?

A: With every purchase, approximately 70% of the proceeds stays in the local Girl Scout council to provide a portion of the resources needed to support Girl Scouting in that area, including the portion that goes directly to the group selling the cookies. The balance goes directly to the baker to pay for the cookies.

Q: How does the cookie revenue benefit girls?

A: All of the revenue earned from cookie activities —every penny after paying the baker—stays with the local Girl Scout council that sponsors the sale. This includes the portion that goes directly to the group selling cookies. Councils use their cookie revenue to supply essential services to troops, groups, and individual girls, such as providing program resources and communication support, training adult volunteers, and conducting special events. The Girl Scout council’s volunteer board of directors:
•Chooses the baker
•Determines the price per box
•Decides how this revenue will be used to provide vital services—such as adult recruitment and training and operation of camps and service centers—and other indirect expenses
•Decides how much money will be returned to groups selling cookies for their projects and activities

Q: What portion of the cookie revenue is shared with the group selling cookies?

A: This decision is made by each local Girl Scout council, so the portion varies from one council to another. Nationwide, girls receive an estimated 10 – 20% of the purchase price of each box of cookies sold. Cookie proceeds are held in a group or council account and allocated for activities based on the way a girl has joined Girl Scouts, e.g. as a member of a troop, as a special interest group, as a camper, or in a travel group. In many councils girls earn “cookie credit” after a certain number of boxes are sold, which may be used towards council programs, travel or Girl Scout related purchases in the council shop.


42 posted on 01/19/2012 6:50:42 AM PST by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common- Voltaire)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Was just answering some other posters. They mentioned where the money goes. Thanks for your answer.


43 posted on 01/19/2012 7:16:18 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: silverleaf

The money is going to GSHQ to advance Leftism.


44 posted on 01/19/2012 7:27:05 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: silverleaf

I’ve done it with Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts (for more than 10 years), so I know what I’m talking about. We sold locally-made pies and increased our take by 50%. The cookies are just as over-priced, and the kids get hosed on the commission the same whether its cookies or popcorn. It all goes to support the ever-increasing overhead at national HQ.

We also took (with our own sons) their “Personal Management” merit badge work and showed them how to run their chores and odd-jobs like a business.

What’s your Scouting leadership involvement?


45 posted on 01/20/2012 6:06:33 PM PST by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you're aiming!)
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To: castlebrew
Girl Scout fundraising (money earning if it's girls) rules are different for BS and GS. Plus our Council sets policies. For example, we may NOT sell homebaked goods nor may we appear to endorse any product or company.

WE may NOT participate in any extra money earnng unless we participate in the cookie sale.

The vast number of our membership is under 10 years old, so that limits what is an appropriate and safe way for that age group to earn money. And they do earn it as a group, budget as a group, and spend it as a group, unlike BS which keep individual boy/family accounts. The girls LOVE selling cookies, especially when young and especially at cookie booths. They are very proud of their uniforms, the signs they make, and get nice comments from people

Because we are not chartered by churches etc meeting space is always a headache, we tend to meet at schools and after school. Good for the girls but limits parent involvement in the meetings. When my son was a Cub I had to go to every meeting. GS parents tend to leave leading the girls in money earning up to the leaders, Cookies are a fun product. They are part of our history for 75 years.

Now, my Scouting involvement-

Been a Cub and BS parent, spouse is the BS type with his Wood Badge and handles the BS activities with son

I stick with GS, been a member for 50 years, GS leader for 6 years, volunteer as trainer with 2 different Councils, this year am Service Unit manager with 25+ troops of 400 girls and approximately 250 adults

Last year also worked with a special GS travel group (multiple troops) to raise $15000 in 9 months to take the group to Savannah. Many MANY girls do not have the family support structure to start an indendent small business when they are 11 or younger, nor to get paid by their parents to do chores. The travel groups and own troop of older girls supplement cookie money mostly by eventing- sponsoring badge earning events and fun activities like camp-ins for younger girls, who love it.

I could never send my daughter (or son) out into our urban neighborhood to seek work. It is not safe. Nor could I send anyone elses kid out. We actually do very little door-to-door cookie selling or any kind of public solicitation because of this, we tried this year but with the economy it was not good.

I maintain that I feel more comfortable asking for $4 for a box of cookies than $20-$25 for a box or tin of popcorn. Have done it all.

46 posted on 01/21/2012 8:00:16 AM PST by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common- Voltaire)
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