All European Life Died In Auschwitz

E-mail | January 15, 2008 | By Sebastian Vilar Rodriguez

[Jonty30]

Yes.

That’s why I think studying history of one’s country is important. We are not responsible for the past. But it’s good to have a good understanding of what happened, why it happened, and who was responsible at the time for it happening.

[dfwgator]

I have posted this many times, but it cannot be posted enough.

[combat_boots]

I remember some phenomenal figure of Soviet people who died. Apparently, women started becoming doctors there because there weren’t enough men after the war.

[dfwgator]

The tragedy is that Nationalism became synonymous with Nazism, out of fear of appearing to be like the Nazis, Europe decided that multiculturalism would be an improvement.

[combat_boots]

Henry Ford was notoriously anti-Semitic.

[DuncanWaring]

The numbers I remember are “Stalin’s Purges - 20 million” and “The War - another 20 million”.

[muawiyah]

That was Henry ~ regular life of the party (the Nazi party eh). That's why I referred to Tony Frank. He built up quite a savings and loan operation and sold it to FOMOCO as the backbone of their internal automobile loan operations.

It was supposed to be a merger and he'd still be the top manager and sit on the board.

Ford continued to have problems with Jews ~ Tony left and found better things to do than futz around with lingering antisemitism at Ford.

[I Hate Obama]

That’s exactly what Liberals are trying to do in the United States. Many fail to recognize that nationalism is not a bad thing, it’s the socialism and communism that are and were the cause.

[tommix2]

I remember hearing stories of atrocities against Jewish prisoners in Germany as early as 1941 or 1940 , when I was a boy in America. America was in denial at the time.

[Noumenon]

Those guys don't share our history and imagine their most brutal prejudices are actually welcome here.

There's some interesting history attached to the pedigree of their ideas and the outlook that that is part and parcel of their culture. Carroll Quigley, over the course of some 5 pages of his landmark Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time, described what he called The Pakistani-Peruvian Axis, a combination of Asiatic despotism alloyed with the Arabic outlook. As you read through the responses, it'll become evident that some of the participants in this forum completely failed to understand what he was getting at. Based upon our history of our correspondence, I think that it'll make perfect sense to you. Quigley's analysis is stunning, mainly owing to the fact that it makes perfect sense of the behavior that we see along that axis. The implications for our own fragile civilization are disturbing. See what you think.

[SaraJohnson]

When my mom told me what happened in Germany, I was devastated. She always prayed for the Jewish souls who died in Europe and for forgiveness of the souls who did the killing. Since I wanted to pray with her, she had to explain what happened. I was around 6. She prayed for the Jews living in Isreal.

[Wuli]

It’s a stain on “western culture” if by that you mean European culture and the culture’s like “the American culture” created out of European expats, and when you accept that ALL the antecdents, core sources and influences for antisemtism in “western culture” come from “European” culture.

One has to also recognize that antisemtism in “western culture” is and remains less prevalent in “western culture” where the location is outside of “European culture” today.

[fr_freak]

As I understand the conditions of both Canada and the United States, at the time of the 1930’s and WWII, we refused admittance to Jewish refugees.

So yes, in a way, that includes us too.

Screw that guilt trip. The US never killed Jews - the Europeans did. I guarantee that if the death camps had been in full swing at the time the ships were coming, not a one would have been turned away. We had no idea that Europe had gone so stark raving mad. Americans went to a foreign continent and gave their lives in large numbers to stop the madmen that were killing Jews. Trying to wallow in some guilt over their deaths is ridiculous, and comes from the prevalent push of cultural Marxism that demands that one seek every possible way to blame his country for something, anything, in order to feel more "enlightened".

[anglian]

“The USA turned back rescue ships that made it across the Atlantic- wouldn’t let them land.” And most of them went to the ovens. Later the USA along with some Roman Catholic Bishops helped Post-war German Nazi criminals escape persecution. A sad fact of history.

[Jonty30]

Yes. You are right.

In North American, anti-semitism was much less then in Europe.

[fr_freak]

P.S. It wasn't "we" but the Russians who liberated Auschwitz and Treblinka.

Why would anyone want to bicker over which camps were liberated by whom? Americans did their share, by far:

"American forces liberated more than 20,000 prisoners at Buchenwald. They also liberated Dora-Mittelbau, Flossenbürg, Dachau, and Mauthausen. "

[Revolting cat!]

Petty politics in this country and in England decided not to intervene, not to bomb Auschwitz or the rail lines leading there. Petty politics, documented in the book referred to in #23. Is this what is being defended above?

[Jonty30]

There’s nothing wrong or guilt-generating about having an accurate understanding of history. If you don’t have a good understanding as to what happened and why, there’s a good chance of another event like this happening again.

There’s almost nobody alive in the age range that would have had a hand in it, so almost nobody is responsible for what happened back then now. The youngest would have been born in the 1910-1920 range.

How many people do you know over 90?

[tommix2]

Many people like your Mom knew what was going on and were not in denial but we had only the newspapers then. No television just Movietone news at the cinema, no internet, no discussion on line, just conversation in church or with neighbors. People read the newspapers then but we didn't get a lot of news. We had far less information than we have today.

[fr_freak]

There’s nothing wrong or guilt-generating about having an accurate understanding of history.

Yes, and I am disputing your historical claims in the interest of "accurate understanding". It is quite easy to look back, 70 years or so later, and say what should have been done in hindsight, with full knowledge of all implications, and then judge a country based on the fact that they didn't act 70 years ago with the knowledge one has now. If you had asked the average American, or even the average politician, back in the 1930s whether they believed the Europeans capable of shuffling Jews into gas chambers and slaughtering them by the thousands, you would have been met with an incredulous stare, as if you were a complete lunatic. Read the accounts of the soldiers who liberated the camps - they couldn't believe what they saw, they didn't think it possible. Certainly the civilians back home, before the US even entered the war, could not have believed it possible. It is in that light that you'd have to understand that a ship full of Jews from Europe in the 1930s would have been viewed as just another ship of eager immigrants - nothing else.

Trying to hang the guilt of actions taken by the very people who many American men died to stop around the neck of those same Americans is a reprehensible act of slavishness to anti-American cultural Marxism.