Frank Rich's Mormon Problem - and Mitt's

National Review ^ | 2-6-12 | Michael Walsh

[Olympiad Fisherman]

Thanks for the article!

[Olympiad Fisherman]

Mormons do not believe in hell, but in 3 heavens - one for the carnals & another for the Christians & the most blessed one for Mormons.

[chuckee]

Mitt’s response to whether he was for gay marriage was no, that it is sacred and reserved for a man and a woman and a woman and a woman and a woman.....

[LucianOfSamasota]

A Mormon would not be my first choice, and Mittens would not be my first choice among Mormons -

But I don’t believe that Mittens will actively try to undermine and usurp the Constitution of the United States in a militant and defiant fashion, as does the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue;

AND I don’t believe that Mittens is promoting ‘the revolution’, as is the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue;

AND I don’t believe that Mittens hates the United States of America, or is ashamed of it, as is the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue;

AND I don’t believe that Mittens hates white people, and every aspect of capitalism, as does the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue;

AND I don’t believe that Mittens admires, abets, and aspires to be a third world despot, as does the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue;

SO: if it comes down to Mittens versus Obama, I’ll hold my nose and vote Mittens.

[MarkL]

Why is it that Dingy Harry Reid never has a “Mormon Problem”?

For the same reason that "Mob Princess" Pelosi and John F Kerry (he served in VietNam, you know?) don't have a "Catholic Problem." Their positions, actions, and votes cast should have gotten them excommunicated!

They take their religion with a "wink and a nod."

Mark

[little jeremiah]

But I don’t believe that Mittens will actively try to undermine and usurp the Constitution of the United States in a militant and defiant fashion, as does the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue;

I got that far in your list. No, Romney would "actively try to undermine and usurp the Constitution of the United States in a" stealthy, duplicitous, deceitful and smarmy manner. I'd rather have an obvious enemy than a person pretending to be on the same side but is in truth an enemy. And Romney is an enemy.

[publius321]

Here’s a piece I wrote from January 27th on this topic.

Romney Pledges to be “True to his Faith” as President - Just what might that entail?

http://www.tableofwisdom.com/2012/01/romney-pledges-to-be-true-to-his-faith.html

It will be much more than just some political hacks. There will be a concerted and clandestine collusion between the Administration and the O-media.

As I wrote in the aforementioned piece “it won’t just be PACs; it will be The History Channel, Discovery Channel, 60 minutes… We might as well nominate Marshall Applewhite and wait for him to return in his space ship hidden within the tail of the Hale-Bopp Comet.”

[LucianOfSamasota]

I'd rather have an obvious enemy than a person pretending to be on the same side but is in truth an enemy. And Romney is an enemy.

So you would rather have Obama?

[little jeremiah]

A vote for Romney is a vote for 0bomba. Romney will not win against 0bomba, if the GOP elites cram him down our gullets.

Plus you apparently did not absorb my comment. Romney is a leftist, just more slightly more duplicitous. A turd with shine sprayed on it is still a turd.

[LucianOfSamasota]

So the question remains...

IF it comes down to Obama vs. Romney, what do you do?

NOT vote?
Vote Obama?
Vote Romney?

As I indicated in my original post, I am no Romney fan. And I am hoping for a different candidate. But the article discusses the effect of Mormonism on the electorate. And my post was an attempt to determine the lesser of two evils in the event of a Romney vs. Obama matchup in the General, (as seems likely, barring Divine intervention).

The idea that some will allow the destroyer another four years to complete his task unless they get their candidate is simply unacceptable.

[little jeremiah]

Romney is no better - not any better - than 0bomba. And if by some horrible twist of fate the GOP insider power broker elites and Mormons voting as a bloc for him force him upon us, the Dems will immediately rub their hands in glee and trot out all the damning info they have on him in particular and Mormonism in general, and Romney will LOSE. Got it? He will lose!!

If he is on the ticket, I will write in Sarah Palin, and vote for conservatives for the House and Senate.

[little jeremiah]

Pinging a few names to a feller pushing Romney, after a few exchanges I looked at his signup date. Clincher.

[Olympiad Fisherman]

Yes, I understand - but that’s not the problem here. You might vote for him, but too many will simply sit out this upcoming election for president. I do not believe that Romney can win. He will alienate just enough voters to keep him from winning. Romney was perhaps the dumbest choice for a candidate for president in living memory - especially at such a critical time in our nation’s history.

[LucianOfSamasota]

Pinging a few names to a feller pushing Romney, after a few exchanges I looked at his signup date. Clincher.

First, as I stated in my original post, A Mormon would not be my first choice, and Mittens would not be my first choice among Mormons.

My comment was placed on a link which discusses whether Romney's Mormonism would affect his electability in the event that he wins the Rupublican nomination - as seems probable, whether you or I like it or not. So to stay on topic, my discussion concerns Romney, NOT Newt, or Santorum, or Palin or Paul, or any other candidate which I might prefer over Romney.

My point is that given the choice between Obama, who I believe is intentionally trying to destroy our way of life, and Romney who is merely a pathetic RINO, I would still hold my nose and vote Mittens in the belief that the country is more likely to survive four years of Romney than four more years of Obama.

little jeremiah has indicated his disagreement with this position, so I asked his solution. The choices, as I see it, are to vote for someone or not vote. little jeremiah's answer is that he would write in his preferred candidate and hope for victory in the House and Senate - a protest abstention, unless one believes a write-in could win a national election. That's all I was asking. I thought perhaps someone had a ray of wisdom that I missed.

I still think that I would vote for objectionable Romney over detestable Obama. And I will vote - no matter how bad the choices.

As you point out, I joined FR in December. But I voted for Reagan twice, Bush 41 twice, Dole (over Clinton), Bush 43 twice, McCain (held my nose - but glad I did what I could to stop Obama). So I've been following these races for some time, whether I was on FR or not

[LucianOfSamasota]

I see the problem as well. And I dread the thought that Obama might win reelection.

But I will have to choose from the available candidates. Even if I don’t like any of the choices.

I will not vote for Mittens in a primary, but if the GOP sticks us with him, I don’t see much alternative.

If Paul dropped out, Newt could win. If Newt dropped out, Santorum would surge. But none of those things are in my control. Mostly, I’m praying for something to change. But in the end I’ll vote against Obama.

[TheOldLady]

Not all n00bs are evil trolls, LJ.

You joined in November, Lucian.

So long as you're working to nominate the most conservative candidate, and as you know, Gov. Romney is not that, then you're safe here. Romney fans do not last long, but there is nothing wrong with discussing him if you don't campaign for him.

It would appear from his record that Romney would carry on in Obambi's footsteps, and if we elect him, he would be no different. That is a contingency we must work to avoid at all costs.

Apropos of not much at this point, Gov. Perry is making noises about leaping back in.

Little jeremiah is a woman.

I hope that this helps you to get your feet under you and have a long, happy stay here.

Welcome to Free Republic.

[little jeremiah]

I alerted you ‘cause it sounded to me as though LucianOfSamasota was pushing Romney, and adding the signup date I thought “hmmm”.

If I’m wrong I totally apologize! I can’t stand people supporting Romney, it just makes me sick!!!

[little jeremiah]

Of course I don't think a write in vote would win an election. But if Romney is forced upon us - as I said 2X already - he will lose. Guaranteed. I have voted a straight R ticket since I was 30 - and that was a long time ago. But I am sick and tired of voting for the lesser of two evils, and in this case, Romney is not appreciably lesesr. He's not even a RINO. He's a liberal. And a deceitful one - sort of pretending not to be. His Mormonism will be used in ads run by the Dems.

[LucianOfSamasota]

Thanks all!

Sorry if I ruffled feathers, I don’t mean to be cantankerous.

For whatever its worth, Santorum seems to be doing well tonight. So maybe it won’t come down to the lesser of two undesirables.

At the risk of offending everyone again I’ll tell you what I’d really like to see...

If Ron Paul would drop out, I think a lot of his anti-establishment votes would pour over into Santorum and Newt. That would really help the conservative cause.

Not that I think Paul will quit - he intends to broker influence at the GOP convention, much as Jesse Jackson used to for the Dim’s. But hoping is free.

[TheOldLady]

No, it's all right. Sometimes when we're inundated with trolls, it's a bit easy to see one in every n00b. Lucian seems like a nice enough fellow, and just talking about Romney without actually supporting him is not a problem, don't you think? N00bs need guidance too.

I remember being totally lost when I first came to Free Republic, and a few people gave me the troll test, as I recall. But I never got suspended or banned, and a few people helped me out a lot.