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Rush Limbaugh - What If (vanity)
(none) | March 6, 2012 | BobL

Posted on 03/06/2012 5:15:10 PM PST by BobL

Forgive me for starting a vanity thread here, but if the issue is important enough, sometimes comments are not sufficient.

As some of you may know, there is a small army of investors that follow around Rush's sponsors. Basically they apolitical people who know that if Brand A advertises on Rush's show, Brand A's sales will go through the roof. So once Brand A starts advertising, they buy the stock (if it's available) and generally clean up (probably the surest investment strategy in existence - even Rush has talked about it). It is likely these investors that are pulling their money out of Carbonite right now, as their stock tanks. There are probably others that have shorted Carbonite, considering they shot themselves in the foot - by coming out in defense of tyranny. For investors that shorted them today (or yesterday), they would be up at least 10%, in less than two days. But the vast majority of people (including FReepers and Rush Listeners, and myself) do neither. Some of us buy their product, but that's about it.

So what if another company moves in for the kill - perhaps Mozy. I, myself, have never purchased a backup service, but I was getting close to Carbonite, especially given their advertising on Rush's show. However, since this story broke, it appears that Carbonite's product, in addition to their attitude towards Rush, leave something to be desired.

So how would a company move in for the kill - very easy. Buy national air time on Rush's show and STATE IT TO THE WORLD that you are doing this in support of free speech (as well as having a useful product) - and, believe me, Rush would be more than happy to amplify that message. If a company would do that, they would be OVERWHELMED by Rush listeners trying to make a point, and would see their stock go through the roof. Their owner(s) could cash out, probably in week after starting their ads, and never have to worry about working again. Yes, their company would have to put up with the harassment of OWS and Media Matters types, but that is the cost of doing business, and they're easy to deal with if you have a plan for them (i.e., put callers through a screening process before putting them through to humans, or just direct them to the web - not hard; for example, make them give you a real credit card number to set up an account, before putting them on with a live person).

For a huge company like Walmart, I'd say don't bother - too many people from all walks of life use them. But for a small to medium size company, even getting just 1% of Rush's 22,000,000 listeners pretty much sets them up for life. While I pick on Carbonite here, it's only because they are a public company and they have been most vocal in stabbing Rush in the back. There are also mattress companies, flower delivery companies, and (in fact) any other company that could simply explode their sales, by making a very pro-America political statement and advertising on Rush's show.

For the record, I have no investment (or shorting) of Carbonite, Mozy, or any of Rush's other advertisers (that I know of) - and certainly won't be doing it now, after posting this.


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1 posted on 03/06/2012 5:15:14 PM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

......what do you think Senators and Congressmen have been doing with “regulations” they impose on companies since they can “inside trade” with impunity.


2 posted on 03/06/2012 5:20:07 PM PST by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: Doogle

Not too hot on that (to say the least), but I have to follow the laws that apply to me.


3 posted on 03/06/2012 5:23:22 PM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: BobL

So what is the size of Limbaugh audience? Something like 20 mil? I bought my Sleep Number bed because of Rush! Wish I had bought the Tempur-Pedic instead...the sleep number is a piece of garbage and now I know why.


4 posted on 03/06/2012 5:23:50 PM PST by hope
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To: hope

“So what is the size of Limbaugh audience? Something like 20 mil? I bought my Sleep Number bed because of Rush! Wish I had bought the Tempur-Pedic instead...the sleep number is a piece of garbage and now I know why.”

Yea, you’re certainly not the first to say that regarding the Sleep Number. We’ll never know what Rush knew about Sleep Number (or Carbonite) - maybe he knew they weren’t so hot, but they paid the bills. Who knows. But one fallout of these politically-motivated cancellations is that people are not only not-buying their products, they are also talking openly about their quality, in some cases - which almost assures that these companies will never see the their glory days repeated (if they manage to even stay in business), no matter how hard they try to back-pedal.


5 posted on 03/06/2012 5:28:45 PM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: BobL

Great idea! Hope it is done. In any case, we have to support Rush. It is bigger than just one man. The enemy is focusing on him, hoping we conservatives will let him go. For the sake of the movement, we must not.

Funny, after months of thinking about my backup options, I was about to go with Carbonite, too. Their advertising on Rush was the difference maker. I am glad they did this before I made the commitment. Would have felt like a fool and would have had to take to the time to “unwind” everything. Wouldn’t want to have all my data with a company so susceptible to lefty-radical pressure either.


6 posted on 03/06/2012 5:31:22 PM PST by white_wolf
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To: hope
Sent a terse but polite message to Proflowers requesting that they take me off their contact list if they had indeed left the Limbaugh show.

I don't actually regret my recent purchases because they need to understand it's real, tangible paying customers they're losing.

7 posted on 03/06/2012 5:33:28 PM PST by stormhill
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To: BobL
Your suspicions are clearly happening, imho, and probably contributed to today's market performance (-200 pts, the largest loss of '12). I contributed with a cancellation of a Citrix service.

This talk of "27 sponsors cancel Limbaugh" is bunk. Many are local, many haven't been heard on Limbaugh in years or ever.

I like your plan.

8 posted on 03/06/2012 5:34:55 PM PST by chiller ( Elect another batch of TPartiers and it won't matter which R we elect. WE will lead.)
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To: BobL
That is a big factor. More important still is the fact that conservationism is dying. Note as with all the other main stream medias the wealthy want our news controlled.

As far back as I can remember their has been a split between conservative Republicans and Rockefeller Republicans (socialist lit) in the Republican party. They have been with Rush as long as he was with free trade agreements(not treaties) and so on but now the split is wider today then it has been in the past and are now showing their true colors.

9 posted on 03/06/2012 5:40:20 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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My S-I-L loves her Sleep Number Bed. She has had it for over five years.

My Wife tried it out and didn't care for it.

Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't.

10 posted on 03/06/2012 5:43:03 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (New Tagline under construction, please watch your step.)
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To: BobL

Oh, I donm’t blame Rush! He promoted them which tells me what fools they are for dropping their advertising.


11 posted on 03/06/2012 5:44:50 PM PST by hope
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To: stormhill

Yeah!!!


12 posted on 03/06/2012 5:46:01 PM PST by hope
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To: chiller; stormhill; white_wolf

Thanks all. People (including) us forget that WE HAVE THE MONEY, relatively speaking. The vast majority of the protesters are broke because of the student loans they took out to get their worthless degrees. It only makes sense that we throw our weight around.

...and, I think, a lot of use are JUST DYING for a company to stand up and defend Rush - and the first one in will make a killing.


13 posted on 03/06/2012 5:47:55 PM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: BobL

I personally haven’t been real happy with Carbonite myself; having had files corrupted and multiple software issues with their interface. Having just auto-renewed in January, cancelling now would be a net loss to me. I might as well make them store my 70GB + of files for the next 9-10 months, but will be looking into Mozy in the meantime.

Perhaps I’ll just back up a bunch of junk on my carbonite subscription and lock my backup so it takes more server space - considering they don’t give refunds that is my only method of making my subscription count for anything meaningful in this ridiculous mess.

I used the Rush promo code when I bought my Carbonite subscription - having heard about it for months while listening to his show. It should be a fairly easy thing for Carbonite VPs to determine how many people signed up because of the promos/advertising on Rush’s show. Perhaps this was a calculated risk on their part - I assume they didn’t expect their stock to plunge though.

I yanked my auto-renew subscription yesterday (removed my billing info so it can’t auto-renew) - that was my only method of making a statement to them.


14 posted on 03/06/2012 5:49:17 PM PST by jurroppi1
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To: BobL

Not only that...but I almost pmp when I read a comment on Sleep Numbers Website comment sections that said...

“Fools that you are, don’t you know that the left will not buy your product, it will not fit into their tents”!


15 posted on 03/06/2012 5:50:29 PM PST by hope
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To: BobL

I’m curious about his advertising rates.


16 posted on 03/06/2012 5:51:53 PM PST by agrarianlady
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To: BobL

I’m happy to hear that Life Lock will not be leaving..They refuse to be brought into a lefty campaign to end free speech. The rumor was they were leaving, they are not..


17 posted on 03/06/2012 5:54:44 PM PST by hope
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To: BobL

I’m not too proud to live off the crumbs that fall from other’s tables...

Rush has carried a lot of water for the Conservative Movement- putting the best face on the cause in times of despair.

He understands the market forces better than most, and knows where his bread is buttered.


18 posted on 03/06/2012 5:55:17 PM PST by One Name (Go to the enemy's home court and smoke his ass.)
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To: BobL

I was wondering if Kim Komando was still hawking carbonite...

She just talked about the issue in a statement. Always heard her advertise carbonite. Hannity does as well...

http://www.komando.com/breaking-news/rush-limbaughs-statements.html

I like Kims show but don’t care for carbonite ...

Good read Bob.... Thanks !


19 posted on 03/06/2012 5:58:35 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

“More important still is the fact that conservationism is dying.”

I certainly don’t believe that. What is happening is that the hippie generation (or baby boomers, if you like) has assumed power and has not at all shed their hatred for this country. The problem is only with us to the extent that it is extremely difficult for ‘good people’ (i.e., conservatives) to comprehend just how evil bad people can be. In our case, they simply want us dead...that simple. But short of killing us (Cambodia approach), jailing us for what we believe will do (Soviet approach), or silencing us by the point of a gun will also do (Western Europe’s approach).

They have about as much love for us (and this country) as the Palestinians have for Jews (and Israel). There is no difference in the level of hatred. But even though Israel knows how much they’re hated (it is kind of difficult to miss with car bombings and decapitations), they still think that some kind of long-term peace agreement can be reached - which is not at all possible.

Our (Republican) leaders are simply unable to comprehend the level of hatred directed at them - that is our problem. The idea that conservatism is dying is not true - it’s just that liberalism has gotten so much more evil over the past few decades, as the hippies have assumed positions of power.


20 posted on 03/06/2012 5:58:40 PM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: jurroppi1

“Perhaps I’ll just back up a bunch of junk on my carbonite subscription and lock my backup so it takes more server space - considering they don’t give refunds that is my only method of making my subscription count for anything meaningful in this ridiculous mess.”

I like that plan, have some fun with them on the way out.


21 posted on 03/06/2012 6:03:02 PM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: hope

“Oh, I donm’t blame Rush! He promoted them which tells me what fools they are for dropping their advertising.”

I don’t either. Rush has a business to run. Not all companies are Mother Teresa’s, some will have problems. But it seems clear to me that at least some of his sponsors were not the best in their fields - and you are TOTALLY RIGHT, as those companies will now have to compete their product on a level playing field, without the huge boost that Rush gave them. That’s why investors are running for the hills from Carbonite.


22 posted on 03/06/2012 6:03:20 PM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: BobL

The propaganda may be winning...the numbers are NOT winning! Conservatism is NOT dead..Problem is we all need to adopt a fearless strategy, just like Andrew Breitbart did!


23 posted on 03/06/2012 6:04:09 PM PST by hope
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To: hope

“I’m happy to hear that Life Lock will not be leaving..They refuse to be brought into a lefty campaign to end free speech. The rumor was they were leaving, they are not..”

Oooo, not bad. Life Lock could be the ones to take advantage of this mess and make a killing - but they have to do more than just deny they’re pulling out. They must make a statement (or better yet, have Rush make a statement) in support of FREE SPEECH and what it means to this country. If they do that, they might just find a boatload of new customers.


24 posted on 03/06/2012 6:05:35 PM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: BobL
"as those companies will now have to compete their product on a level playing field, without the huge boost that Rush gave them. That’s why investors are running for the hills from Carbonite."

And that is what capitalism is about!!!

25 posted on 03/06/2012 6:06:54 PM PST by hope
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To: BobL

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26 posted on 03/06/2012 6:08:43 PM PST by PMAS (Romney = Democrat tested, Soros approved)
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To: Squantos

“Good read Bob.... Thanks !”

You’re welcome. It looks like Kim was telling the left to take a hike - GREAT FOR HER. She’s a tough woman.


27 posted on 03/06/2012 6:09:00 PM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: jurroppi1
Perhaps I’ll just back up a bunch of junk on my carbonite subscription and lock my backup so it takes more server space - considering they don’t give refunds that is my only method of making my subscription count for anything meaningful in this ridiculous mess.

Ha that was my thought for revenge too. I did what you did and took off my billing card so no auto renew but had just renewed in December. I figure just upload a butt load of photos, lock it, and get another service.

28 posted on 03/06/2012 6:11:16 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: hope

I think Life Lock got a taste of what it is like to be unfairly targeted, and they are smart if they decide to stay with Rushbo.


29 posted on 03/06/2012 6:11:42 PM PST by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: BobL

Life Lock has a great product! best in the biz...They are from my home state of AZ..They’ll fair well. They have something that they were able to corner the market with...Good company..

I am the owner of a small business. I know that you cannot bring politics into the frey...unless that is your market.
I have made it by being the best...by doing above and beyond what my competitor can offer. That is why Life Lock
will succeed, plus they stand on their values...

It is called “work ethic”


30 posted on 03/06/2012 6:12:43 PM PST by hope
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To: BobL

Agree... Stay safe !


31 posted on 03/06/2012 6:14:16 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: hope

“The propaganda may be winning...the numbers are NOT winning! Conservatism is NOT dead..Problem is we all need to adopt a fearless strategy, just like Andrew Breitbart did!”

Amen. It isn’t easy for conservatives to stoop to the level of leftists, but we must fight them on their turf, by the rules they set. We tend to look at the battle the way Hogan’s Heroes portrayed the US and Germany during WW2, which was a bunch of well-intentioned people (at least at the lower levels) that were in a “gentlemens’ war”, while the leftists look at this from the Eastern Front, between Russia and Germany, where both sides knew that the loser in this battle was going to be raped, pillaged, decimated, and massacred. If we don’t accept that the left treats this like the Eastern Front, we will be killed - there is no path to compromise with them, never has been, never will be.

At the end of this war against them, there will not be back-slaps and hand-shakes, there will be blood, and the only question is whose blood.


32 posted on 03/06/2012 6:15:40 PM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: hope

“That is why Life Lock will succeed, plus they stand on their values.”

Great to hear. Life Lock seems to be in a perfect position to pull the trigger and show the country that Rush will not be stopped. I don’t care what company does it, I don’t even care if their product is not the best available, I just want to see it done as that will shut the Left up for years.


33 posted on 03/06/2012 6:24:07 PM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: BobL

Brings back the memories of the 90’s when FR was taking on the tail of the tiger! So many of our friends here have passed on...Time for a new class of Freepers to activate!


34 posted on 03/06/2012 6:25:44 PM PST by hope
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To: chiller

I didn’t listen to all of Rush today, but FWIW, I heard a Quicken ad as I passed by the radio.


35 posted on 03/06/2012 6:34:07 PM PST by reformedliberal
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To: BobL; hope
Conservatism is dying not because of our ideas but because we can not get our ideas across as they do. Propaganda wins with money and the rich are no longer on our side.

+50 years ago both parties were conservative today we are barely part of one party. The change took place when the wealthy realized they can vote themselves money from then on things went down hill for us.

Today socialism is the biggest scam in human history perpetrated by big business and the leftist are soaking it up. As Karl Marx said, "Socialists are useful idiots."

It doesn't matter how good our ideas are we can not win against both the wealthy and the leftist.

You are right they do want us dead just as they did during Stalin, Hitler, Mao and so on. Genetically engineered is in the realm of possibilities though it is just a matter of time.
How will we fight or will we fight I am not sure?

36 posted on 03/06/2012 6:34:49 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: BobL

Just saw this and thought it might be relevant to this thread.

http://www.gpb.org/news/2012/03/06/as-advertisers-flee-limbaugh-pro-gingrich-superpac-buys-more-time

“As Advertisers Flee Limbaugh, Pro-Gingrich SuperPAC Buys More Time”


37 posted on 03/06/2012 6:38:54 PM PST by TEXOKIE
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To: Steve Van Doorn

I won’t argue your points - it’s going to be a very tough fight. Maybe, just maybe, the left will overreach and people will FINALLY start seeing through them. Let’s hope so.


38 posted on 03/06/2012 6:41:46 PM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: TEXOKIE

““As Advertisers Flee Limbaugh, Pro-Gingrich SuperPAC Buys More Time””

It’s a GREAT MOVE. Even though I’m a Santorum fan, I’ll take Newt, for sure, if he can pull it off. Back in Florida, the media markets wouldn’t let the SuperPACs advertise for Newt, as they said they needed “more substantiation” of their claims. They were in the tank for Romney, of course.

But a vacuum has opened up. And, in fact, I heard one of their ads just today as I was driving during lunch time. If this SuperPAC is able to FIGURE OUT that a lot of CONSERVATIVES listen to Rush (hint, hint), they just may be able to help Newt get the edge he needs.


39 posted on 03/06/2012 6:47:03 PM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: reformedliberal

Quiken Loans are part of the housing market crash...They were about no income verify...why they are still around is a mystery!


40 posted on 03/06/2012 6:50:13 PM PST by hope
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To: BobL

Gingrich/Santorum 2012! :)


41 posted on 03/06/2012 6:53:20 PM PST by hope
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To: BobL
There will always be the leftist. But the wealthy/big business are the ones we need to get back on our side.

I honestly do not know how to do it at this point. As long as they have money coming from the tax payers they will be against us.

42 posted on 03/06/2012 6:53:20 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: chiller

I also cancelled Citrix...and sent a letter to them stating so. I asked them why they felt it necessary to mix politics into our business relationship.


43 posted on 03/06/2012 6:55:00 PM PST by willyd (your credibility deficit is screwing up my bs meter...)
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To: hope

“Gingrich/Santorum 2012!”

Either way, fine with me!!!


44 posted on 03/06/2012 7:02:01 PM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: BobL

Your idea would tap into the very essence of the tea party movement, and any bold enterpreneur brave enough to stand up and advertise unapologetically on Rush Limbaugh, stating the case for free speech without weasel words or PC crap.

Would take over their market.

I very much think you have stated the essence, of the opportunity here. I wish I had a midsize company in perhaps Texas or say ... Nebraska which sold real redneck good quality value products to all of real America, especially in a market like say... Cabelas.

Carhartt.

Something middle America, Rush Limbaugh listening, pickup truck driving, real Americans actually care about.

The sort of solid, middle American free thinking people who not only won’t be bullied by blue state metrosexuals’ groupthink.

But who would actually deliberately buy something, just to poke their finger in the eye of such whiners.

I like the OP’s idea. A lot.

My first suggestion is Cabelas. I think Rush should reach out to Cabelas, offer them some (huge) nationwide advertising contract on every Rush show, with discount rates, and let them grow even bigger, on the enthusiastic support of his massive audience.

Most of whom frankly, based on demographics and politics are already inclined to buy stuff from them, already.

I say: draft Cabelas.

Don’t lose money on the obscene profit center breaks, but offer them some fabulous, just to make a point deal.

Call them up tomorrow Rush.

Seal the deal. I’m guessing they’d take that call.

(yes, I go there a lot)


45 posted on 03/06/2012 7:03:00 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: BobL

:D....Yepppp!


46 posted on 03/06/2012 7:04:25 PM PST by hope
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To: BobL

Is this your “What If?”: “ - - - So how would a company move in for the kill - very easy. Buy national air time on Rush’s show and STATE IT TO THE WORLD that you are doing this in support of free speech (as well as having a useful product) - and, believe me, Rush would be more than happy to amplify that message. If a company would do that, they would be OVERWHELMED by Rush listeners trying to make a point, and would see their stock go through the roof. Their owner(s) could cash out, probably in week after starting their ads, and never have to worry about working again.”

If so, it might work!

The MSM will never make the “free speech” connection.


47 posted on 03/06/2012 7:14:10 PM PST by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: BobL

BTW, the perfect advertiser on Rush’s show for protection of the civil liberty of free speech is, (you guessed it), the ACLU !


48 posted on 03/06/2012 7:19:17 PM PST by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: jurroppi1

I hope you are able to dump Carbonite. I say so in support of Rush and of free speech. The one problem we have is Capital One. My husband says to close our Cap One account would hurt our credit. He’s promised that we won’t use the card and once we are moved back to KS, we’ll cancel.

Not trying to tell you what to do about Carbonite. But sure hope you get to help in their stock decline. :)


49 posted on 03/06/2012 7:24:51 PM PST by navymom1
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To: Steve Van Doorn
As far back as I can remember their has been a split between conservative Republicans and Rockefeller Republicans (socialist lit) in the Republican party. They have been with Rush as long as he was with free trade agreements(not treaties) and so on but now the split is wider today then it has been in the past and are now showing their true colors.

Yep, which why I truly believe we need to split the party. I know a lot of people poo-poohing that, but I think it's time. There are too many divisions in the party. The elites control, they decide our candidates for us. It needs to stop today!
50 posted on 03/06/2012 8:15:42 PM PST by Thorliveshere
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