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CrashPlan or Carbonite Are Bandwidth Restrictions Throttling Your Backup?
Buisiness Insider ^ | 03/02/2012 | Ramon Ray & the Smallbiztechnology.com Team

Posted on 03/07/2012 6:20:10 AM PST by FreeAtlanta

With cloud services now available, gone are the days of those local data backups to CDs or tape – or are they? If your business has a modest amounts of data to safeguard, then cloud services provide a convenient solution for moving a copy of your data over the web to a secure storage environment. The issue is with larger amounts of data, with some cloud backup providers like Carbonite reducing the speed at which the data is transferred. It’s a policy known as bandwidth throttling, something that competitors like CrashPlan say they avoid.

If you know what you’re getting, then you can at least avoid unpleasant surprises. However, some network providers use the word “unlimited” in ways that require interpretation. Carbonite states on its website homepage that it provides “unlimited data backup.” Yet elsewhere it gives a figure of 3GB-4GB of data as the maximum daily backup level, at least in the context of its “Home”...

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TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: carbonite; fluke; obamasupporters; rush; sandytheslut
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throttling, another reason to leave Carbonite... as if you needed another reason. :-)
1 posted on 03/07/2012 6:20:15 AM PST by FreeAtlanta
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To: FreeAtlanta

I’m confused. Why not just use an external hard drive?


2 posted on 03/07/2012 6:22:34 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf
I’m confused. Why not just use an external hard drive?

Its not offsite. House fire, tornado, robbery etc and not placed in safe. Drive fails
3 posted on 03/07/2012 6:25:17 AM PST by Delphster
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To: cuban leaf

bump

why would an individual use it?


4 posted on 03/07/2012 6:26:05 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Delphster

But if you are trying to protect your data, why are you sending it to someone?


5 posted on 03/07/2012 6:30:17 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: FreeAtlanta

I tried Carbonite, but quit when the program indicated it would take 6 to 7 days to do my back-up using my high speed Internet connection. Unusable.


6 posted on 03/07/2012 6:31:25 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: FreeAtlanta

Call me old-fashioned, but I’m not handing my data over to anyone to safeguard. From my cold dead hands!


7 posted on 03/07/2012 6:32:06 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Delphster

Also you have to remember to back your stuff on on the external drive on some sort of set schedule. Services like Carbonite are “set it and forget it”.


8 posted on 03/07/2012 6:34:15 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: AppyPappy

Most services make it easy to log into your account and reinstall your data on a new computer.

I keep telling people about crash plan because after trying Mozy and Carbonite, I was put onto it my my IT manager (I am a programmer and coffee roaster:)

I loved it. I don’t use their cloud, but I use their software to backup my computers to each other and to an external computer. It is very cool and there isn’t a charge unless you use their cloud.

I also use dropbox for simple synching. It is free for < 2GB.


9 posted on 03/07/2012 6:35:10 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: AppyPappy
But if you are trying to protect your data, why are you sending it to someone?

Most of the services offer encryption where you are the only one who knows key and is encrypted before sending.
10 posted on 03/07/2012 6:35:18 AM PST by Delphster
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To: cuban leaf

Clickfree has some really nice products for back-up. Easy to use.


11 posted on 03/07/2012 6:37:17 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: LibWhacker

lol, I understand. I don’t have anything that is particularly secret on my computers, but anyway, most of these services do encrypt the data.


12 posted on 03/07/2012 6:37:27 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: FreeAtlanta

Nonsese - confusing storage with transfer.

Bandwidth restrictions come from the ISP - not Carbonite.

It would take at least a day or two to upload 3-4GB on my slow DSL connection...

Their storage capacity might be unlimted - but you will always be limited as to the amount you can backup daily by your ISPs bandwidth.


13 posted on 03/07/2012 6:37:54 AM PST by 2ndamendmentpa
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Also you have to remember to back your stuff on on the external drive on some sort of set schedule. Services like Carbonite are “set it and forget it”.

Plus if you travel and need access to some backed up data you do not have to take your USB drive. Just connect to the service. CrashPlan also keeps versions of files.
14 posted on 03/07/2012 6:38:13 AM PST by Delphster
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To: Loyal Buckeye

That might be the throttling. A buddy of mine was complaining about the throttling that is why I this article caught my eye.

My friend has tons of movies and other media he backs up so he went over the throttling limit. He wasn’t happy.


15 posted on 03/07/2012 6:40:04 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: Delphster

Heh, heh. As you can see, it’s not something I’ve concerned myself with. ;-)


16 posted on 03/07/2012 6:41:02 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: 2ndamendmentpa
It would take at least a day or two to upload 3-4GB on my slow DSL connection...

Thats still better than never :-)
17 posted on 03/07/2012 6:43:39 AM PST by Delphster
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To: Delphster; AppyPappy

I am sure there are many people who are afraid that the encryption can be broken or compromised. Anything is possible, but if I had stuff so sensitive that I was afraid of this, then what’s to keep someone from breaking in my home and stealing it, or the government getting a warrant and taking it?

I just try not to do things I am ashamed of. That tends to keep me out of legal issues. :-)


18 posted on 03/07/2012 6:44:25 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: 2ndamendmentpa

No, Carbonite and Mozy actually do throttle the amount of transfer once you exceed what they view is abusive. Basically, they give you infinite or unlimited storage but they make it impossible to reach whatever value they have designated. It doesn’t matter how fast your ISP is, the backup companies put the brakes on.

My friend found Carbonites policy on it and was ticked. He was planning to drop them before the Rush incident.


19 posted on 03/07/2012 6:48:47 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Also you have to remember to back your stuff on on the external drive on some sort of set schedule.

All operating systems have some kind of schedule service. You can create a backup and schedule it to run at a particular time, daily, weekly, or whatever. I use Windows Xcopy to copy my files to a second internal SATA drive, using the option to copy only files whose date on the target drive is earlier than that on the source (this prevents having to copy every file every time). I put the commands in a batch file and use the Schedule service to run it every morning. For extra security I archive my data onto DVD media about once every six months and keep the media at a remote location.

20 posted on 03/07/2012 6:51:38 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: FreeAtlanta

Here’s my backup scheme:
1) mirrored 1.5 GB hard drives for server
2) all user laptops and workstations have sync of important user file folders to the network server.
3) once a week, I open the side of the server and swap out one of the mirrored drives to one recently initialized.
4) removed drive is stored in a firesafe and the server re-mirrors itself back to the fresh drive.
Hot swapping the drive takes all of 3 or 4 minutes.
The server is nothing more than a used 4 year old Dell Precision 490 running 64-bit Vista that I got for $225.


21 posted on 03/07/2012 6:53:38 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Defeat Obama. End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: cuban leaf

A USB stick flash drive costs so little. Why would anyone subscribe to a service with a monthly charge to back up files?

And with Carbonite canceling its ads on Rush, why would anyone subscribe to Carbonite?

If you subscribe to them, get your data back and then dump Carbonite? Take out this one company and it will have a ripple effect.


22 posted on 03/07/2012 6:54:45 AM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: FreeAtlanta
Carbonite sucks and is a ripoff! Yea, if you are one who backs up a few Microsoft office files, its speed is fantastic, but large GBs of data, they throttle the backup on a daily basis only permitting so much a day. Mozy is no different. If you want a true backup solution, buy a Drobo NAS, or a Seagate GoFlex, Buffalo makes a NAS also. Some of these products allow you to get for data anywhere there is an Internet connection. Don't waste your money on these cloud base companies, instead put the money into a NAS in your own home and become your own Cloud. I currently use a 2TB Seagate GoGlex NAS which I bought at Costco. I will eventually buy a Drobo.
23 posted on 03/07/2012 6:55:28 AM PST by klimeckg ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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To: FreeAtlanta

10-4


24 posted on 03/07/2012 6:56:08 AM PST by 2ndamendmentpa
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To: FreeAtlanta
ANY service I can switch to that is not connected to MoveOn.org, like Carbonite is, is fine with me!!!
25 posted on 03/07/2012 6:58:36 AM PST by TheCause ("that these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States")
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To: BuffaloJack

> 1) mirrored 1.5 GB hard drives for server
That should read 1.5TB SATA hard drive for server.
also,
As for encryption, I use TruCrypt for everything.


26 posted on 03/07/2012 7:00:09 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Defeat Obama. End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: Delphster
Its not offsite. House fire, tornado, robbery etc and not placed in safe. Drive fails.

House fire? That's what your refridgerator is for. Except for the most extensive fire, you ice box contents will be protected.

I'm not disagreeing with you entirely. It all depends on how valuable your data is. I back up to my server for my websites. That's free so I don't need Carbonite...especially since Carbonite decided to try and use its business to limit free speech.

27 posted on 03/07/2012 7:02:42 AM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: FreeAtlanta

As others mention above, all technical discussion aside, I’d skip Carbonite in response to their throwing El-Rush-Bo under the bus this week.


28 posted on 03/07/2012 7:04:20 AM PST by Craigon
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To: cuban leaf

We have almost nothing on our computer. Husband backs up his Quicken on CD’s. I mostly use the computer for news & such since we don’t have tv.
We used Carbonite when we upgraded to Windows 7.
We’re on satelite.
It took days to backup and restore. We lost stuff. I had to do a lot of reinstalling. What a mess! I’ve wondered how it works for people who have a lot of important stuff to backup!
We going to an external hard drive.


29 posted on 03/07/2012 7:04:36 AM PST by WestwardHo
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To: Delphster
Plus if you travel and need access to some backed up data you do not have to take your USB drive.

I know what you are talking about, those USB sticks take up so much room in my pocket. (Sorry, could not resist).

30 posted on 03/07/2012 7:05:25 AM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Delphster

But aren’t you also backing up your key?


31 posted on 03/07/2012 7:07:00 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: WestwardHo

I always wondered how the Satelite internet connection worked. Is it the only option where you live?


32 posted on 03/07/2012 7:08:04 AM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
Its not offsite. House fire, tornado, robbery etc and not placed in safe. Drive fails. House fire? That's what your refridgerator is for. Except for the most extensive fire, you ice box contents will be protected. I'm not disagreeing with you entirely. It all depends on how valuable your data is. I back up to my server for my websites. That's free so I don't need Carbonite...especially since Carbonite decided to try and use its business to limit free speech.

I am a programmer. I am not going to stick my USB drive or stick in refrigerator every time I am done for the day. I use CrashPlan $12 a month for 5 computers. Its well worth it to me plus image backups to a USB drive. Everyone has different needs for a backup plan. Carbonite was the first one I used several years ago it was the most limited so I did not sign up after their free trial.
33 posted on 03/07/2012 7:12:35 AM PST by Delphster
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To: FreeAtlanta

My issue is just saving data is not sufficient.

Of my 3 PCs, one has some very expensive software with licensing issues and setting up the required configurations can, without exaggeration take weeks assuming all the documentation is still available. This PC runs my Pipe Organ along with some Virtual Pipe Organs.

I need to create an exact image of the Hard Drive and possibly store that on a Network Appliance along with automatic backups of data. I don’t know if Ghost or similar programs would fulfill both OS and automated data backups.

If my house is destroyed, the reason for this PC to exist is gone anyway so an in house backup would be sufficient.


34 posted on 03/07/2012 7:15:17 AM PST by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: AppyPappy

448 Blowfish. No one’s going to be decrypting your data.


35 posted on 03/07/2012 7:18:17 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Burning the Quran is a waste of perfectly good fire.)
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To: Delphster
You are certainly correct. Different people have different backup needs.

As a side note, thanks for the programming work you do. I realize you probably did not do the programming work on any programs I run but dang if these computers are not amazing and the people like you that make them work deserve a big thanks. So thanks!

36 posted on 03/07/2012 7:18:51 AM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Loyal Buckeye

I don’t know about Carbonite but with Crashplan, you can upload to their cloud for 5 bucks a month or you can seed your backup with a 1 TB hard drive for a one time $130 charge.

I have over 1 TB so I chose the seed option...they sent the drive and I put my most important 1TB of data on it and sent it back....2 days later it was on their server and I just filled in the blanks. Now, the 5 bucks a month syncs my 1.5 TB to their cloud which takes very little bandwidth.

If you have a system crash, they’ll seed the drive and send it to you. You do your restore and send it back.

It’s a great system.

The Pro version is even cooler.


37 posted on 03/07/2012 7:25:13 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Burning the Quran is a waste of perfectly good fire.)
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To: Loyal Buckeye

Before I signed up with cable, our DSL was slow, slow, slow.

The Carbonite thingie said my backup would take a year.

Needless to say, I backed out of the free trial (1/12 of a year) and bought an external hard drive.

Now, I have two external hard drives. I keep one in the house and one in the car.

What are the odds of having my car stolen right after my house burns down?


38 posted on 03/07/2012 7:31:09 AM PST by Peter W. Kessler (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Satelite is our only option because we live in a very rural area, and there’s a mesa between us and the cell phone tower that would give us some options.
Because we don’t have tv and I’m home alone alot, I purchase 17,000MB/30days. With normal surfing, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levine, etc. my usage runs about 60% over 30 days. I kept an eye on usage during the debates.
It’s a little slow, but for home use not a problem.
No streaming problems unless the wind blows hard enough to vibrate the dish...momentary.
Carbonite ate up so much bandwidth we were at max usage for days. Because our usage is on a 30 day cycle it took a couple weeks to get out of the red zone...
Big thing is to go off line when not in use.


39 posted on 03/07/2012 7:32:00 AM PST by WestwardHo
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To: WestwardHo

hmmm. I’m with Carbonite. So far no problems, although it is a bit expensive, if you want to back up an additional hardrive.

Seems like a pretty good idea to me, to back up to the Cloud, whichever company you use.


40 posted on 03/07/2012 7:35:21 AM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: FreeAtlanta
Crash plan is absolutely buried! I tried calling them this morning and their voicebox was full. I emailed a couple of questions to them but I think they are the ones I'm going to go with. I have less then a month on my Carbonite subscription. I think I went with them the first time they advertised on Rush and have stayed with them ever since. No more.

And for those who ask why you would need a program like that? There are those of us who are not tech savy and who like the set and forget part off offsite storage. There are some things that would break my heart to lose and I love the fact that something can come in and back up only those things that have changed and I don't have to remember to do it. At my age the less I have to remember the better.

41 posted on 03/07/2012 7:37:21 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: All

I am surprised the stock holders are not screaming bloody murder.

There has to be a breach of fiduciary duty in there somewhere.

The fact they sacrificed investors for one persons political whim agenda has to be a breach of duty.


42 posted on 03/07/2012 7:40:25 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: FreeAtlanta

As if I want to pay a bunch of strangers to know everything on my computer. No, thanks.


43 posted on 03/07/2012 7:46:30 AM PST by bgill (Romney & Obama are both ineligible. A non-NBC GOP prez shuts down all ?s on Obama's admin)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

There was literally nothing left standing above ground in a couple of recent mobile home fires in my area.


44 posted on 03/07/2012 7:48:30 AM PST by steve86 (I have Schizoid Personality Disorder and am exercising the privileges thereof)
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To: Psycho_Bunny; Delphster

Crashplan, the choice of Information Technology professionals :-)


45 posted on 03/07/2012 7:51:29 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: cuban leaf

“I’m confused. Why not just use an external hard drive?”

No need to be confused. That’s the only smart thing to do, at least when you consider that both Carbonite and Mozy (and perhaps the others as far as I know) install software that so deeply penetrates the Windows file management subsystems that your PC performance pretty much drops dead. I don’t know how many times I’ve “fixed” badly performing PCs by just removing either one.

Also, Carbonite has (or at least used too) a policy that you can only restore your data to the PC it originally came from so people wouldn’t use it like a crappy version of Dropbox. So basically, you’d be scwewed if your PC dropped dead and you wanted your Carbonite data backup back.


46 posted on 03/07/2012 7:55:23 AM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: bgill

You don’t have to pay the CrashPlan guys, and I doubt they are very concerned about what is on any of our computers. They have a business model that depends on data protection.

If you choose to use their storage, it costs a little, but if you don’t want to pay, then they have it set up so that you and a friend can swap invites. Your data is encrypted and stored on their pc, and his is encrypted and stored on yours.

If there is a catastrophic event, then you simply reinstall crashplan (free) and then login, select your files from your friends storage and you are back up in business.

it is sweet!


47 posted on 03/07/2012 7:58:13 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: FreeAtlanta
I never considered a cloud based back up plan either because my space requirements are based on photography. I'm using a 24 MP camera, RAW image storage and space eats up quickly.

1.5 TB is readily available from Costco for $140 so I back up to the external drive and occasionally swap with a second external drive in an offsite storage unit I rent because I downsized to a condo recently.

As someone mentioned upthread, the MS Office, Turbotax files are trivial in size and easily fit on a thumb drive. I have Turbotax files as e-mail attachments on the net also.

48 posted on 03/07/2012 8:04:53 AM PST by cicero2k
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To: McGavin999
I have less then a month on my Carbonite subscription. I think I went with them the first time they advertised on Rush and have stayed with them ever since. No more.

Be sure you go into Carbonite TODAY and turn OFF auto renewal. I would check it even if you don't think you had it turned on. Once it renews, you're stuck - no refunds.

49 posted on 03/07/2012 8:07:41 AM PST by Bush_Democrat (Breitbart sent me)
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To: cuban leaf

It was Justcloud for me after I cancelled Carbonite this weekend. I use Time Machine and Time Capsule on my Mac, but I do want external storage should the local disks fail.


50 posted on 03/07/2012 8:12:52 AM PST by Wright Wing
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