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It's going to get interesting at FR if Romney is nominated, innit??
Vanity | 23 March 2012 | Notary Sojac

Posted on 03/23/2012 8:05:11 AM PDT by Notary Sojac

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To: Pravious; EternalVigilance
My conscience is well-formed and quite adamant that I will neither vote for Obama nor for Romney. Our fellow FReeper Eternal Vigilance and I have wrestled over this third party business in the past. I am now convinced that he is right, at least for this election. and that his argument is ever stronger in general. As of now, if Romney is nominated, Eternal Vigilance will get my vote. I expect that to remain the case.

It is absolutely certain that, given the Mittwit's shameful record, his shameless lies and distortions, his despicable campaign of character assassination carried on through the mountains of money he has raised, Mittwit (Ebenezer Romney) may BUY the GOP nomination and snooker the sheep but the US Treasury cannot print money fast enough (not even infinitely fast would suffice) for the baby-butchering, perversion-coddling, gun-grabbing, Planned Barrenhood loving, medical system and constitution destroying, tax (on ordinary folks but not on his pampered class) hiking, wannabe nation-destroying bastard Willard to get my vote or any vote I can influence. My soul is not for sale. If the GOP sells out the nation, behaves like a collection of corrupt or ignorant and gullible sheep and nominates Romney, you have every right to vote for him and I have every right not to vote for him. If Obozo is elected look to the Wall Street elitists who funded Romney as targets for blame. Since either Obozo or Romney will be defeated in November, one way or the other I get to celebrate a defeat of one of them. If enough conservatives act on principle, sorry about your election night.

48 years ago we fought against Nelson Rockefeller and William Scranton and John Lindsay and a clutch of other spoiled zillionaires who felt that ruling the GOP and our nation was somehow their birthright. For 48 years that war has continued with the blessed exception of the eight Reagan years. During those 48 years we have had abysmal moderate stooges like Nixon, Ford, Bush the Elder, Dole and McCain nominated. Bush the Elder beat Snoopy Dukakis. Nixon beat McGovern (an absolute Marxist anti-Christ) with the advice of Lyndon Johnson who, by then, was more of an American than a Democrat. In retrospect, either Humphrey or Wallace would have been a preferable vote in 1968 because Nixon was a "moderate" slimeball.

In case you change your mind on the Massachusetts radical posing in GOP drag, ask EV his identity and maybe he will tell you so you won't have to take a shower in boiling water right after voting this fall. That is up to him.

The beauty part is that those who expended extreme amounts on money to fund Romney's campaign of lies and distortions will probably have their taxes dramatically raised (the only issue that they care about other than social revolution like baby-killing and perversion coddling and gun grabbing). By 2016, they may be less likely and less able to try this crap again. My conscience is and will be clear and there will be parties on election night.

The obsessive greedheads took down my Congressman, Don Manzullo, this week after 20 solid years in Congress in favor of a young sleazeball named Adam Kinzinger who, in one year in Congress, has managed only to sell out the Tea Party folks who elected him in his old district in 2010 so he could suck up to the corrupt GOP House leadership and every special interest in DC. Don Manzullo has publicly called upon Boehner to have the House pass a resolution to tell Obama that there would be no more increases in the debt limit. The answer was Eric Cantor endorsing and funding Kinzinger. At this point, this district is sooooo Republican that the Demonrats don't even bother fielding a candidate. Kinzinger is about to get married but he should not get a house in DC with a big mortgage because he probably won't be around long enough to make a dent in mortgage.

Romney = Obozo = Romney = Obozo, etc., ad infinitum, ad nauseam. It makes absolutely NO DIFFERENCE on issues that I care about and Romney's election is less favored because it would destroy the GOP. Whether Obozo or Romney is elected, the nation is toast (at least until 2016 if Obozo and 2020 if it is Romney). If you think Obozo's gang is arrogant now, wait until he is re-elected. Alternatively, if you think Obozo is arrogant, wait until you see a post-victory Romnay.

It is high time that the USA had a conservative movement again. My generation retired to normal life, marriage, kid raising, jobs in the private sector, being involved in our communities and churches, when we elected Ronaldus Maximus. We thought we had attained Nirvana and that the USA would live happily ever after. That was obviously wrong. I have faith in my former colleagues that we have one good revolution left in us and that we can train successors.

181 posted on 03/24/2012 8:29:24 PM PDT by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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To: Lancey Howard; achilles2000; Dr. Sivana

See #181.


182 posted on 03/24/2012 8:34:46 PM PDT by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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To: BlackElk

Amen and Amen.


183 posted on 03/24/2012 8:44:21 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: BlackElk

Black Elk, here is an article I just pinged out.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2863451/posts

Romney: “The Gay Community Needs More Support from the Republican Party’
CNS News Service ^ | March 23, 2012

Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:00:38 PM by Zakeet

When Mitt Romney first entered the political scene in 1994, running for the U.S. Senate against Teddy Kennedy, he told an LGBT-focused publication in Massachusetts that he would be a more effective advocate for the interests of the “gay community” than Kennedy had been and that gays should support him because “the gay community needs more support from the Republican Party.”

“Why should the gay community support your campaign when Ted Kennedy has been a strong supporter of civil rights issues and the gay community?” asked a reporter from Bay Windows.

“Well, I think you’re partially right in characterizing Ted Kennedy as supportive of the gay community, and I respect the work and the efforts he’s made on behalf of the gay community and for civil rights more generally, and I would continue that fight,” Romney said in an interview currently posted on the Bay Windows website.

[Snip]

“I think the gay community needs more support from the Republican Party,” said Romney, “and I would be a voice in the Republican party to foster anti-discrimination efforts.”

(Excerpt) Read more at cnsnews.com .


184 posted on 03/24/2012 8:49:41 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: BlackElk

That’s the second morning in a row that your posts have made my day, even as I’m still drinking my morning coffee.


185 posted on 03/25/2012 5:51:15 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (In self-evident truth, in timeless principle, in the people themselves, lie our republic's only hope)
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To: BlackElk
I think I should take this moment in time to try to explain a couple of important things that, for whatever reason, I haven't been able to get across sufficiently before here.

The new party we are building, America's Party, is not a "third party" in the sense most everyone thinks of such a thing.

We prefer to call it a "meta-party." Something that goes far beyond what exists, corrects the fundamental flaws in what exists, but builds on the best aspects of what has gone before.

We're not Republicans. We're not Democrats. We're AMERICANS.

"Citizens, by birth or choice, of a common country, that country has a right to concentrate your affections. The name of American, which belongs to you in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of patriotism more than any appellation derived from local discriminations." -- George Washington, Farewell Address

The first thing people need to understand is that we are building a culture of principle, as opposed to the existing Republican culture of total, inevitable compromise. We make our political associations, and endorse or support candidates, based solely on adherence to the first principles of the republic, not on something so unimportant as a mere party label, or any other triviality.

How are we accomplishing this?

By building a closed political association, instead of an open political association similar to any of the existing parties.

If you own a house on the edge of the 'hood, and you put a 4 x 8 sign in the yard that says, "Anyone who wants can live here," just how long do you think you and your family are going to be able to stay in the house? How many junkies and crackheads and prostitutes are you going to be able to abide before you yourself are driven out?

The sign in our yard instead says, "No trespassing, unless you have an invitation from the owners." And those invitations are predicated solely on adherence to the core principles upon which this free republic's existence, and our claim to the right to be a free people, depend. And invitations are revocable, if folks compromise the principles which should be completely non-negotiable.

We not only believe in the God-given, unalienable right to free political association, we are exercising that right to the full, in concert with every still-principled American we can find.

The second thing we are doing is to disconnect the money motive from the workings of the national or state parties, to get the money-grubbing political interests AWAY from the Platform entirely.

We tell folks "We don't want your money. We want you to do your duty as a citizen." And we mean it.

Quit giving your money to national organizations. They just waste it, or compromise and end up using your own resources against you.

Spend your money, if you have some to expend, at the most local level possible, to turn out votes, to help fully vetted new leaders get elected, to serve your own community.

Sounds radical to some, I know. But these decisions were made by people, including yours truly, who have many years of experience with the old way of doing things, who have an intimate understanding of how things actually work in the real world, over the long haul.

There's a lot more to it. More than I'm going to be able to communicate here without writing a book. But the bottom line is that we believe we have figured out how to un-rig this incredibly rigged political game, and to put politics, and government, back in the hands of We the People, on a completely, consistently principled basis.

All we lack at this point is a sufficient number of conservatives who have tired of chasing the Republican false flags over political and policy cliffs.

That lack may be relieved shortly with the nomination of Romney. I do not believe he can hold together the old Republican conservative coalition. His candidacy doesn't pass the smell test or the laugh test with anyone who still maintains any allegiance to the founding principles of this free republic.

I'll try to write more later.

In the meantime, if anyone will take the time to read through the first few links at selfgovernment.us they should begin to understand what we're doing better.

Thanks.

For Life, Liberty, and the Constitution,

Tom Hoefling
AKA EternalVigilance
Founder and Chairman, America's Party
2012 America's Party presidential nominee

186 posted on 03/25/2012 7:34:56 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (In self-evident truth, in timeless principle, in the people themselves, lie our republic's only hope)
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To: EternalVigilance; Dr. Sivana; Lancey Howard
Thank you for your kind words. If you do not mind and since you have revealed your actual identity here, unless you object, I will use it in posts urging folks to vote for you.

I would add to your post @186 that we may not agree on each and every micronuance of public policy or faith but that is not necessary. Patrick Henry and Thomas Jefferson and George Washington did not agree on each and every nuance but somehow succeeded magnificently in their very important work.

The musical 1776 is instructive in its handling of the discomfort over slavery in the run up to the Declaration of Independence. In the end, there was essentially agreement not to agree. The issue of slavery was left to another day (and tragically to the War Between the States for final resolution). The revolutionary declaration itself was agreed to and those remarkable men had pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to the revolution against British tyranny and they won! Some died before the victory. Some were financially ruined. For each, there was nothing more important than the principles and precepts of faith and patriotism of the best sort.

Though he had been the most famous orator of the revolution itself, Patrick Henry resisted enactment of the Constitution of 1787 and was an ardent anti-Federalist. He was also governor of Virginia. He declined the invitation to become Washington's Secretary of State because he differed in principle from Washington even after he had lost his fight against the constitution resting his arguments on good and principled reasons. Even so, his speech in favor of our Revolution still compels our attention and awe 235 years or so later as the Hope Diamond of Revolutionary War oratory.

We have reached the point as a nation in which our government has become what our forebears revolted against. The party (GOP) which is SUPPOSED to stand for individual liberty and small government has become a philosophical whorehouse which would gladly nominate George III if he were available and lie as necessary to get him elected. And the GOP, mind you, is the political linear descendant of Washington's Federalist Party through Clay's Whigs to Lincoln's Free Soilers and Republicans. The party is as pathetic today as it was under Herbert Hoover. Enough is enough.

The Demonratic Party was once the Democratic Party. Try and imagine what its ancestors: Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, and James Polk would think of their party which is ever more frankly Marxist, atheist, pro-abortion, pro-perversion, gun grabbing, committed to obscene levels of regulation of economic activity and the like. (Not that the GOP is far behind if it nominates Romney or continues to follow the entrenched financial corruption of its legislative leaders).

You are correct that America's Party which you chair is not a "third party" but a new and different phenomenon devoted to first principles. There may be differences among its followers on what to emphasize or even on specific issues. I do know this, having tangled with you in the past on an occasion or two or more: you are one of the most determined and consistent and principled people who post here and, other than not terribly relevant distinctions based on differences in detail between your faith and mine (the sort of differences that distinguished some founding fathers from others without interfering at all in their joint patriotic enterprise), I find nothing much to disagree with in your stated principles and goals.

May God bless you and yours and the effort you are making in 2012.

187 posted on 03/25/2012 10:42:40 PM PDT by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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