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To: chris37
Eyewitness typically refers to a disinterested observer. Yes, Zimmerman was an "eyewitness" in the sense that the witnessed the start of the fight with his eye. But he's clearly not an independent eyewitness, as it is clearly in his interest to say that Martin started the fight (because if Zimmerman started the fight, it makes his self-defense claim a whole lot more difficult).

Yes, I've seen the articles that have the headline "Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman." But the only statements from this witness in those articles have to do with what was going on during the fight (e.g., that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, and that Zimmerman was screaming for help). I've searched and searched, but have yet to see any statements from independent witnesses as to who started the fight.

I don't know who started the fight. Based on the limited circumstantial evidence that exists (or at least has been released), I don't think anyone does at this point. A lot of people around here seem to have come to the conclusion that Martin started the fight, and that Zimmerman's actions were 100% unquestionably justified. I just think that's a bit premature to reach that, or any other, conclusion.

174 posted on 03/26/2012 2:45:35 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Conscience of a Conservative; chris37
I just think that's a bit premature to reach that, or any other, conclusion.

The known facts back up Zimmerman's account. It has been a month now and waiting for further evidence is doubtful to be forth coming other than to the backgrounds on the individuals.

177 posted on 03/26/2012 3:06:19 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
A lot of people around here seem to have come to the conclusion that Martin started the fight, and that Zimmerman's actions were 100% unquestionably justified. I just think that's a bit premature to reach that, or any other, conclusion.

Even if it's absolutely proven Zimmerman started the fight, based on the evidence released to the public, he is still 100% unquestioningly justified.

189 posted on 03/26/2012 3:46:01 PM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

OK, that’s fine. Let’s wait until further information comes out on that aspect.

No point in us speculating on that at this time IMO.


195 posted on 03/26/2012 4:06:52 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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