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Solar Power (vanity)
killermosquito ^ | 4/16/2012 | killermosquito

Posted on 04/16/2012 1:54:30 AM PDT by killermosquito

With the price of solar panels dropping I have to wonder if I should investigate since I live in sunny eastern North Carolina.


TOPICS: Hobbies; Outdoors; Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: electricity; power; solar
Any freepers out there with solar panels? What are your experiences?
1 posted on 04/16/2012 1:54:33 AM PDT by killermosquito
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To: killermosquito

I don’t personally use solar panels because I live in Southwestern Washington State, where we measure rainfall by the foot!

There is a magazine called “Fine Homebuilding” which carries the occasional article on solar power. They are online and one can look up their annual indexes, I believe.


2 posted on 04/16/2012 2:17:06 AM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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I am rural and have a neighbor who put this thing up that is on a 4x4 sq ft footer with about a 36in diamiter column and a panel the size of 1/2 a drive in theater screen,its huge...Its on some type of gimbal, follows the sun automatically.
It look s like crap and does nothing for the country side but I am sure it puts out a few watts......Not sure what his deal with the power company is or how long it will take(forever?) to break even
3 posted on 04/16/2012 3:18:04 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: killermosquito

Sounds like they’re dirt cheap, now, if you just shop around:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2872597/posts


4 posted on 04/16/2012 3:32:02 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: killermosquito

Price in maintenance and account for the replacement rate. Might make you change your mind. They are definitely not a one and done investment, like a well. More like a car, lots of upkeep.


5 posted on 04/16/2012 3:42:26 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Queeg Olbermann: Ahh, but the strawberries that's... that's where I had them.)
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To: killermosquito

Solar has good applications but the break-even is usually around 32 years. The panels are the cheapest part. The hardware can get expensive but the real cost is in the electrical system to store and safely distribute the power.

So it has its uses if you are off the grid or looking for emergency backup. Its not a way to save money.


6 posted on 04/16/2012 3:53:26 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: killermosquito

I am looking into a small system to run a dc freezer and a few other items like a battery charger, power tools, etc. in a SHTF situation. The entire system including batteries and freezer are adding up to the $6,000.00 range. Anything less than that is more of a novelty item. Anything more is a waste of money unless you are really off grid in a very remote location.

It would be impossible to store enough fuel for a generator in a long term outage, and even though I have been accused of being full of it, I think methane production would not be sufficent.


7 posted on 04/16/2012 4:44:15 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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I think methane production would not be sufficent.

From a well or from animals?

8 posted on 04/16/2012 5:32:41 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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Actually Yes I do, On our property that we are getting ready to build a house on, which is 10 acres, the Well is on the upper portion and the house will be on the lower portion, approx 1500’ away. The cost of running power would be around $20k, So I decided to SOLAR power my Well. I purchased Magnum MS4024-PAE inverter around $2000, (24 volt) delivers 4000 watts and 240 volt for deep well pump, then I bought 8 Trojan T105 batteries at $110 each (225AH), then I found a guy on Craigs List that has a supply of USED 175 watt 24v solar panels for $1 a watt (175 each), I have 6 of them. Bought some wire,breakers,panel,conduit,... and wired it all up. Panels are just laying on roof and would produce a little more if angled properly but I didn’t care when I set it up, but may change someday if needed.

The Well only needs to run an hour or so a day so all the extra battery power has enough power to run a fridge,ice maker, lights, microwave, just about everything except AC, which it will run for a while. Also automatic watereing with an extra Water pump for all the fruit trees and veggie garden, I also have a 30; trailer plugged in to it. I ran Power (240v) to 3 buildings off this sysyem and all I need to do is add extra panels and batteries as needed. Could always add another inverter easily also if needed. Batteries are always Fully Charged, Have backup generator to charge batteries if needed. total cost about $6000 for FREE WATER AND POWER FOR a long, long time. Our little Cabin and Trailer are completely Off the Grid and it works great. Batteries will run Well for at least 30 hours straight before needing charging, 400AH system.


9 posted on 04/16/2012 5:37:53 AM PDT by eyeamok
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There is a reason why solar cell manufacturers are going out of business: solar cells are not cost effective. Just do the math. Count up how many watts you want to have available, and then calculate the square feet of solar cells you need to produce that (about 5 watts per square foot, and about $4 per watt). Then remember that this power only is produced when the panels are positioned directly in strong sunlight. You will need batteries and an inverter for power any other time.

Batteries cost about 20 cents per watt hour. If you want to run a 100 watt computer (or light bulb) for 10 hours, you will need $200 worth of batteries. Even at that, this amount of discharge will quickly destroy the batteries. They would probably have about 50 discharge cycles such as this before deterioration would be noticeable.

You would be lucky to get about 5 hours per day of good sunlight. So to run your 100 watt computer for 10 hours, you would need 200 watts of solar panels to produce this. These would have to be angled and rotated during the good sunshine to produce the power.

So, for about $1000 (I'll throw in the inverter), you could run a 100 watt computer in the evening on every day that has really good sunlight, providing you have a good source of replacement batteries.

10 posted on 04/16/2012 5:49:35 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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