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Update on Poisoned L.A. Coroner Tech.

Posted on 04/30/2012 12:07:34 PM PDT by Weight of Glory

Yesterday, I, along with others, posted a story about a forensic technician with the L.A. coroner's department, who died under suspicious circumstances. Rumors began to fly that he was killed as part of some sort of coverup relating to Andrew Breitbart. In an attempt to find some answers, I called Ed Winter. Mr. Winter is the Assistant Chief Operations/PIO. His name and number are listed on the original release of the AB autopsy results:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/04/20/Coroner-Andrew-Breitbart-Died-of-Heart-Failure

Mr. Winter told me that, as far as he knows, the poisoned forensic tech was NOT part of the Andrew Breitbart investigation. Just thought I'd let you guys know.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: breitbart; brietbart; vanity

1 posted on 04/30/2012 12:07:38 PM PDT by Weight of Glory
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To: Weight of Glory

He was the forensic photographer, right? He would have to be involved.


2 posted on 04/30/2012 12:11:57 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Weight of Glory

“Mr. Winter told me that, as far as he knows, the poisoned forensic tech was NOT part of the Andrew Breitbart investigation. Just thought I’d let you guys know.’

What did you expect them to say?

“Oh yeah, that guy that got poisoned in our office was right in the middle of the Breitbart case, then he started talking about Andrew’s murder and the next thing we know, he was dead as a doornail.”


3 posted on 04/30/2012 12:13:50 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: struggle

Yes he was. I’m just telling you the answer I got from the Public Information Office.


4 posted on 04/30/2012 12:14:02 PM PDT by Weight of Glory
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To: Weight of Glory

I don’t see why a guy would be poisoned by arsenic though. I have a feeling that this will called a “suicide.”


5 posted on 04/30/2012 12:16:00 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Weight of Glory; null and void; LucyT; butterdezillion

Pinging a few of you....

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/04/20/Coroner-Andrew-Breitbart-Died-of-Heart-Failure


6 posted on 04/30/2012 12:20:58 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: Weight of Glory

Where at the link is the part you copied? I don’t see it, is it a comment?


7 posted on 04/30/2012 12:21:51 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: struggle
He was the forensic photographer, right?

He was A forensic photographer. I'm sure LAPD had more than one.

8 posted on 04/30/2012 12:22:31 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Weight of Glory

I get it - you personally called him up?

Do you think he would be honest with you? The poisoned coroner isn’t around to say nay.


9 posted on 04/30/2012 12:24:35 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: Uncle Slayton

Exactly.

And how many forensic photographers does the LA coroners office have anyway.


10 posted on 04/30/2012 12:25:51 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: Doe Eyes
He was A forensic photographer. I'm sure LAPD had more than one.

Its a big city, there are probably a half dozen or more.
11 posted on 04/30/2012 12:25:51 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Weight of Glory

Thank you, WoG for the “official” word : / Still, incredible ain’t it, that an employee in a very high profile coroner’s office, in the aftermath of a very high profile death, is possibly poisoned unto death, and gets the “nothing to see here” treatment : |

Sigh. Prayers lifted for that poor man and his family. May he rest in peace.
Tatt
And Andrew - you live on.


12 posted on 04/30/2012 12:26:06 PM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: Weight of Glory

Note the qualifying phrase, “as far as he knows.”


13 posted on 04/30/2012 12:30:42 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Weight of Glory
How do we know you aren't part of the disinformation team?

I take your post to mean that the coroner WAS assigned to Breitbart's autopsy.

Further, I take it to mean that this coroner had proof of murder.

Further, I take it to mean the Breitbart scratched the words OBAMA DONE IT on his stomach.

In other words, YOUR POST is PROOF that Obama killed Breitbart.

Q.E.D.

14 posted on 04/30/2012 12:31:24 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Admin Moderator refuses to let me hit it. -- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2875871/posts)
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To: little jeremiah
21 field photographers

LAPD Photography Unit

15 posted on 04/30/2012 12:31:31 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: cripplecreek
The LA County Coroner's Office has over 200 employees, scattered between the main downtown building and three satellite offices.

Apparently the dead guy was a fairly weird character who appears in the supplemental material to a horror DVD from 2005 called Chaos. Here's one blog's description:

The short, called "Inside the Coroner's Office: A Tour of the L.A. Coroner's Crypt," featured the forensic technician showing writer/director Dave "The Demon" DeFalco around the morgue.

According to one film blogger who watched the clip:

"This dude is even weirder than DeFalco...he's kind of a mix between Dr. Lawrence Jacoby and Dr. Matthew "Frankenstein" Logan. He walks us through the various crypts pointing out all sorts of stuff, like dead babies (wrapped in plastic) and dead fat people (wrapped in plastic)! ... He even shows off his "tools of the trade"...including a long handle, curved head branch trimmer and a dry erase marker!"

At the end of the video, Cormier and DeFalco reportedly discuss an upcoming collaboration called The Devil's Doorway, which deals with...

"... their theory on how true evil manifests in human beings...through methamphetamines! You see, the meth opens up a doorway to another dimension allowing demons to possess these meth-heads and then these possessed speed freaks commit brutal crimes!" link

16 posted on 04/30/2012 12:38:13 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Its also true that people do accidentally poison themselves. My 3rd grade teacher’s husband died while using a bug fogger and cleaning out another room in a small outbuilding they had.

He sat down to take a rest and that was all she wrote.


17 posted on 04/30/2012 12:54:26 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Doe Eyes

LAPD isn’t the same thing as the LA County Coroner’s Office.


18 posted on 04/30/2012 1:03:13 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

How do you know how many employees they have? Links please.


19 posted on 04/30/2012 1:04:30 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
LAPD isn’t the same thing as the LA County Coroner’s Office.

Correct, my mistake.

20 posted on 04/30/2012 1:28:06 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Lazamataz

You’re always thinkin’ aren’t ya Laz. :)


21 posted on 04/30/2012 1:47:01 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby ("To understan' the livin', you got ta commune wit' da dead." Minerva)
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To: butterdezillion; Doe Eyes

Thanks for the correction, butterdezillion. Usual from DE.


22 posted on 04/30/2012 1:49:19 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: butterdezillion
How do you know how many employees they have?

Because I know how to do a Google search. The search terms are los angeles coroners office employees. That led me to an L.A. Times article entitled L.A. County coroner’s office may face shortage of doctors, audit finds, which in turn linked to the audit. The info is in the second paragraph.Whole thing took about three minutes.

Links please.

Management Audit of the Department of the Coroner (pdf)

"The Coroner's budget is approximately $28 million and there are 209 budgeted posititions in Fiscal Year 2009-10."

23 posted on 04/30/2012 1:49:19 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: struggle
I have a feeling that this will called a “suicide.”

Maybe it was "Justice for Trayvon".

Nahh! Arsenic is a bit too sophisticated for that bunch. Never mind.

24 posted on 04/30/2012 2:08:17 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep; null and void

Wow. That management audit document is VERY interesting. Still sorting it out, but from what’s on there - the flow charts and all - the special operations team includes the investigators, which are the people who go out when there is a field call. The people on the response team are the people who take down the initial information from police, witnesses, doctors, etc, photograph the scene, transport the body to the coroner’s office, take complete photos of the body, and fill out forms for the initial case file. Then the investigator gets the medical history from the decedent’s doctor and the case file and medical history are all given to the Deputy Coroner - Ed Winter, who was the guy who reported immediately that Andrew Breitbart had not seen a doctor in over a year. Ed Winter would not necessarily know who had done the photographs of the external body, just that the photos were in the case file.

Once the deputy coroner decides that a complete autopsy is to be done with lab tests, the case is assigned to a physician. If it is a high-profile case or a case where a crime is suspected that autopsy would be done by either the chief coroner, the chief physician, or the deputy coroner. A security hold would be put on the case and only a few people from that point on would be able to access the records. The deputy coroner would know who those people were.

At that point the body would be dissected and lab tests run. This is the point at which the forensic technicians photograph the inner parts of the body.

There are 3 supervisors and 6 technicians who are on the photography unit. Those technicians work closely with the doctors as they do the medical examinations. My understanding is that they would photograph the tissues/organs as the body was being dissected. The medical examiner would know who worked with him on that photography.

Michael Cormier was said to be a photographer for the special operations response team. And that seems to be correct because he is on video transporting a body from the scene of a death. That would mean that he did the initial photographing of the external body as it was being received from the hospital. Ed Winter would have no idea who did that photographing, which would explain him saying that Cormier was not involved with the Breitbart case AS FAR AS HE KNEW. If Cormier had been the forensic technician who aided in photographing the actual dissection Ed Winter would have known that.

The part that would be revealing for a heart attack dart assassination, though, would be the photographs of the external body. Which would be done by the photographer for the special operations response team. Which is the description given for Michael Cormier.


25 posted on 04/30/2012 6:53:04 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
Interesting info butter...

In the LA Times article here they mention this in the very last sentence: Authorities examined Cormier's Auckland Avenue home for clues in the death. Sources said several hazardous materials experts and officers searched the small home. Cormier, who also worked as a coroner's photographer, had registered a small business under the name MAC Autopsy Services at the home.

Someone in comments mentioned that this could have been done to enable an investigation without the political involvement of the county office - an independent investigator. Thoughts on that?

Apparently, Mr. Cormier was a Christian and deeply religious man.

26 posted on 05/02/2012 6:43:06 PM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: butterdezillion
I found it under a search of fictitious business names:
FICTITIOUS BUSINESS NAME: MAC AUTOPSY SERVICES
DOCUMENT NO.: (blank)
LEGACY DOCUMENT NO.: 20081685285
DATE FILED: 9/18/2008

So it wasn't a license that was filed in the past 2 months, as some have been speculating.

27 posted on 05/02/2012 6:48:58 PM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: ponygirl

I had been meaning to check up on that too. Fictitious. What does that mean? Why would somebody file a fictitious business name? I don’t understand.

Sept 18, 2008. A couple weeks after the run on the bank.

If he was a deeply religious man he probably had objections to lying...


28 posted on 05/02/2012 7:36:41 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
A Fictitious Business Name Statement is required when you apply for your business license in California. You have to file the paperwork, pay the fees (of course), and then select a publication where the statement will be published. I just chose a little podunk town newspaper that published mine in their classifieds section for $8. (This was back in the 90s.) The purpose is so that anyone who already was using the name could see it and file an opposition to your use of the name. It reminds me of the way they read marriage banns in England. Anyone opposed would have X number of days to protest the marriage.

It's a pretty outdated mode of operating, IMO, but it gives them an opportunity to collect more money and give the small business owner one more hoop to jump through, right?

29 posted on 05/02/2012 9:48:36 PM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: ponygirl

Thanks. I did find a local listing for the business. The email address associated with it was his address at the LA Co Coroner’s office.

I looked up some info on independent autopsy services. I saw an information sheet that is given to hospitals regarding getting consent for an autopsy. It said that hospitals offer that service for free to those whose loved one’s death doesn’t qualify for the county medical examiner/coroner’s jurisdiction. In LA County jurisdiction includes somebody who hasn’t seen a doctor in over a month, IIRC, as well as the typical suspicious deaths. If the coroner decides he doesn’t need to do an autopsy and the family requests an autopsy the body is given to whoever they contract to do the autopsies. That could be the point at which somebody like Michael Cormier would enter the picture, if he’s licensed to do particular kinds of autopsies (the listings for independent services specify adult, fetal/perinatal, pediatric, exhumations, brain only, non-brain only, etc). Or if he’s only licensed as a tech maybe Cormier would contract his services to some of these independent autopsy providers.

I’m looking at the death certificate for my daughter who was stillborn. It has a field asking if there was to be an autopsy (yes) and if the case was referred to medical examiner or coroner (no). There is a signature for the embalmer and his license number. Cause of death just says interuterine death.

On a side note, I was watching an old rerun of Law & Order while I cut out pattern pieces for my daughter’s dress that I’m going to sew, and the case just so happened to be about potassium chloride poisoning to induce a heart attack. It was done in a rest home so there were EKG’s that ended up proving it was a murder; otherwise the presence of potassium in the body is inconclusive because the cells release potassium as they break down (they said). They exhumed the body and found the hole where the potassium chloride had been injected - since the medical records didn’t indicate any legitimate injections that would have been made.

I just thought that was interesting right now...


30 posted on 05/03/2012 11:04:01 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

-—The short, called “Inside the Coroner’s Office: A Tour of the L.A. Coroner’s Crypt,” featured the forensic technician showing writer/director Dave “The Demon” DeFalco around the morgue.——

True story. I sat next to Dave in high school. He had long black hair and wore a navy down jacket year round. I never saw him with a book, but he always carried around an envelope. (cue eerie music)

One day I gathered the courage to ask him about the contents. He pulled out still photos from the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. He told me all about Leatherface... It was... unsettling.

This was in the late ‘70s, pre-VCR days. Apparently, his father, a dentist, had built a movie theater in his basement, and he bought the film for Dave, along with other horror movies. Apparently Dave spent a lot of time alone in the basement. He was very pale.

A few years ago, I decided to Google him, and, surprise! He had become a low-budget movie director, and the producer of “Chaos,” which Roger Exert called the worst movie he’d ever seen.

Ah, those high school memories.


31 posted on 05/03/2012 11:21:41 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: butterdezillion
Fictitious. What does that mean? Why would somebody file a fictitious business name? I don’t understand.

A fictitious business name merely means that your business has a name other than your own personal name. It's also known as a DBA--"Doing Business As..." When I was providing a freelance service for different clients, I created a name for my business and had to file a fictitious business name application, along with obtaining a tax ID number. Then I had to take both to the bank to open an account in the name of my business so that clients could write checks to the business rather than to my personal name. Lots of tax reasons to do that.

32 posted on 05/03/2012 2:03:19 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Weight of Glory
So, is MAC:

Michael
A (don't know middle name)
Cormier

Probably means nothing...just daydreaming...

33 posted on 05/04/2012 3:44:04 AM PDT by hummingbird (Just askin' or just sayin' depending on the subject. Oh yeah - OBAMA SUCKS!)
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To: struggle

Doesn’t arsenic stay in the body for some time? It easily shows up analyzing hair samples that not only detect arsenic but can tell for how long the poisoning has been going on.

Does it make the skin blush red like Breitbarts? Think I’ll google arsenic (but just for study - not to plan a murder, mkay!)!


34 posted on 05/05/2012 7:20:46 AM PDT by hummingbird (Just askin' or just sayin' depending on the subject. Oh yeah - OBAMA SUCKS!)
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To: butterdezillion
I don't know if you read this LA Weekly post about Michael Cormier, Forensic Technician for L.A. County Coroner, Dies Under 'Suspicious Circumstances'.

http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2012/04/micheal_cormier_la_coroner_dies.php

I was searching around various photo sharing sites to see if I could find any thing else about Cormier, as typically technical photographers are also interested in artistic photography (nature, travel, editorial, portraits, weddings, and so on). I came up empty but when I went back to review this article, I realized that the "slant" of it was bothering me. They seemed to want to paint him as some type of kook, especially in their "update" at the end:

He's the bearded guy wheeling the corpse around.

Also, this has no mention of his connection, if any, to AB's case.

I was also not able to find any police reports or the actual coroner's report on AB's death. If you have any links, can you kindly share them? Thanks BDZ!

35 posted on 05/08/2012 3:39:21 PM PDT by Rona_Badger (Heeds the Calling Wind)
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