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Are Republicans Bending On ‘Obamacare’? (Allen West is "wavering"???)
TPM ^ | 5/28/2012 | Sahil Kapur

Posted on 06/02/2012 7:16:29 PM PDT by ak267

As the landmark Supreme Court decision looms next month, Republicans have been privately considering a plan to reinstate some popular provisions of “Obamacare” if it’s struck down.

The revelation sent conservative advocates — who have demanded nothing less than total repeal — into a tizzy, which forced House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) to reaffirm his commitment to “repealing Obamacare in its entirety,” declaring that “[a]nything short of that is unacceptable.”

But more evidence is emerging that Republicans believe that’s not tenable.

Rep. Allen West (R-FL), a tea party darling, told ThinkProgress that he supports preserving three popular provisions of the Affordable Care Act — the same three that his party’s leaders are reportedly considering.

“You’ve got to replace it with something,” West said. “If people want to keep their kid on insurance at 26, fine. We’ve got to make sure no American gets turned back for pre-existing conditions, that’s fine. Keep the doughnut hole closed, that’s fine. But what I just talked to you about — maybe 20, 25 pages of legislation.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cZhj2mU_tfE

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: abortion; allenwest; deathpanels; florida; johnboehner; obamacare; ohio; west; zerocare

1 posted on 06/02/2012 7:16:46 PM PDT by ak267
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To: ak267

He’s dead to me. Period.


2 posted on 06/02/2012 7:19:56 PM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: ak267

good grief more bs from some TPM and some lefty who worked for the guardian and huffington commie post .
why do you fall for this carefully cooked up Press releases from Obama lefties ??


3 posted on 06/02/2012 7:21:24 PM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: Doc Savage

read the source of this bs .
a left wing websitev and a leftist Brit from the huffington post !

the tpm post is pure Dem crap meant to screw West !


4 posted on 06/02/2012 7:23:44 PM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: ncalburt

did you see the youtube clip...from his own words.

you get rid of Obamacare...all of it! You don’t “pick and choose” for it will only regenerate over time.


5 posted on 06/02/2012 7:24:26 PM PDT by ak267
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To: ak267

Nothing less than a full repeal of “Obamacare”, and the T.Kennedy influence of government legislated out of our medical system is acceptable to me.

We have to get the Nanny out of Government. Make it too small for Nanny to move in, and take over bossing everybody about.


6 posted on 06/02/2012 7:25:07 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: ak267

What do you expect when the father of Obama care is at the top of the ticket? Take one for the team!

The whole party is dead to me.


7 posted on 06/02/2012 7:26:05 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: ak267
more heavily edited video BS !

its smallls like a Dem media video hit job . so why are you posting edited video crap here ?

TPM is left wing website !

8 posted on 06/02/2012 7:28:50 PM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: ak267
I sell Part D Medicare, Prescription Drug plans.

The “Donut Hole” is useful, it FORCES people to care about the cost of the drugs they are taking, consider generics, consider other drugs as a replacement, etc.

It is a really dumb idea to get rid of the “donut hole” as Part D is the ONLY government program, in history, to come in below budget projections.

The Donut Hole has a great deal to do with that fact.

9 posted on 06/02/2012 7:38:07 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: ak267
I sell Part D Medicare, Prescription Drug plans.

The “Donut Hole” is useful, it FORCES people to care about the cost of the drugs they are taking, consider generics, consider other drugs as a replacement, etc.

It is a really dumb idea to get rid of the “donut hole” as Part D is the ONLY government program, in history, to come in below budget projections.

The Donut Hole has a great deal to do with that fact.

10 posted on 06/02/2012 7:38:07 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: ak267
I sell Part D Medicare, Prescription Drug plans.

The “Donut Hole” is useful, it FORCES people to care about the cost of the drugs they are taking, consider generics, consider other drugs as a replacement, etc.

It is a really dumb idea to get rid of the “donut hole” as Part D is the ONLY government program, in history, to come in below budget projections.

The Donut Hole has a great deal to do with that fact.

11 posted on 06/02/2012 7:38:07 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: ak267

This probably is phoney, but I do believe that Obamacare, if it survives the Supreme Court, won’t be repealed even if the Republican Parry takes control of the House and Senate and Romney somehow becomes President. There are too many liberals and socialists in both parties.


12 posted on 06/02/2012 7:41:22 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: ncalburt

Where was it edited? Did they alter his voice? Alter his words? Where? He said what he said to the reporter.

Simply put, it won’t work. If they have kids insured to 26, close the donut hole, waive pre-existing conditions AND LET THE MARKET DICTATE THE PRICE, then there will be a “victim-induced” scream fest (usual suspects) when they see the bill. And the “parade of victims” will be a cinematic production.

The Republicans will then be in a jam to find way to “fund” the areas they let survive.

Either West was talking too fast for his head, pandering to his senior citizen voting base or this was a trial balloon by the chicken-shit GOP leadership. One person says one thing while leadership says another. The optics don’t look good.

Either way, if the bill is struck down or gutted, the GOP will need a plan for the inevitable battle by the DEMS who will scream for something to replace it. The GOP wants reforms and “market place” solutions...then what is it? They need to get in front of this.


13 posted on 06/02/2012 7:42:00 PM PDT by ak267
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To: Doc Savage

Norm’s back on the plantation ready to kiss Massa’ Mitt’s butt.


14 posted on 06/02/2012 7:42:32 PM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; one box left.)
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To: ak267

I did not know that Mr. West is a socialist appeaser. I hope someone can find evidence that this story is false.


15 posted on 06/02/2012 7:52:53 PM PDT by impimp
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To: Kansas58
I agree as far as ordinary meds are concerned, but if you take specialty drugs, you reach that donuts hole quickly. And the cost of those drugs can be enormous.

Last year, my kidney doctor put me on Procrit, a specialty drug. I reached the coverage gap in July. The drug subsequently cost me $300 a month till the end of the year. There is no generic equivalent, and Canadian pharmacies don't sell it. So I had to pay the full price. $1500 is a lot of money when you're on a fixed income. And I've heard of even worse scenarios for life saving drugs such as those for cancer.

Fortunately, I no longer take Procrit. Turned out it wasn't helping at all. I told the doctor I'm not taking a costly drug if it isn't working. But I'm lucky to have the option of discontinuing the med. For some patients that is not an option.

16 posted on 06/02/2012 8:02:32 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: ak267

You gotta remember that the Pubbies are just right-wing Leftists.


17 posted on 06/02/2012 8:15:59 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: ak267

Repeal the whole thing. Not one shred should survive.

People should buy the insurance they desire at the price the market provides. Remember, it is “Insurance”, not “medical care”; two very different things.

Insurance is paid protection against monetary loss. Medical care is what you actually receive. I should be able to buy the insurance I want, to cover those I choose, in a manner I want at a price the FREE MARKET DETERMINES.

If I can’t afford something, I can’t buy it. It should not be given to me “free” (paid by someone else). If I “need” something to live but can’t afford it, charity may help but I CANNOT DEMAND it for free. Life is tough. Can’t afford your meds, too bad.

Why do so many think that they should get something they can’t pay for? The brilliant Dr Walter Williams had an article prescribing this sickness of forced labor. When you demand it for free you are stealing the labor of your neighbor.


18 posted on 06/02/2012 8:23:19 PM PDT by Macoozie (Go Sarah! Palin/Daniels 2012 - (Broker it! I can dream, can't I?))
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To: Doc Savage
He’s dead to me. Period.

Yep.
He was full of possibilities and genuine hope. It sure didn't take long for this loser to get infected by DC.
Oh well.

19 posted on 06/02/2012 8:27:45 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: ak267

” - - - “You’ve got to replace it with something,” West said.”

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

REPEAL AN ABOLISH FOREVER ALL OF OBAMA”CARE” !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stand with us on this, Allen West, or you stand without us.


20 posted on 06/02/2012 8:58:08 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Kansas58
With more than 2,000 pages in the bill, undoubtedly there will be one or more beneficial items incorporated in the package.

However the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obama Care) is nothing more than the cure being systemically worse than the symptom.

Congress expressed its dereliction of duty and responsibility when Pelosi admitted that the bill had not even been read in its entirety.

If the Supreme Court finds one or more parts unconstitutional, keeping any part(s) of the bill is untenable! To say otherwise is indefensible.

21 posted on 06/02/2012 8:59:04 PM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: ak267
“You’ve got to replace it with something,” West said. “If people want to keep their kid on insurance at 26, fine. We’ve got to make sure no American gets turned back for pre-existing conditions, that’s fine. Keep the doughnut hole closed, that’s fine.

Col. West said this? I think he meant to say that if a private insurer wants its customers to be able to keep children up to age 26 on their policies, or create their own risk-friendly policy that allows people to buy immediate coverage without regard to pre-existing conditions, they're allowed to assume that risk and cost, on their own.

Surely he doesn't believe that the constitution allows the fedgov to impose such a law controlling the internal risk-based decisions of a private company in free enterprise.
22 posted on 06/02/2012 9:12:36 PM PDT by andyk (Go Juan Pablo!)
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To: ak267

I don’t support any of it. If any of it is left in; it will be like a cancer spreading.


23 posted on 06/03/2012 1:52:04 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Doc Savage
He’s dead to me. Period.

Why? None of the things he said had anything to do with us being forced to take government-controlled health care...

“If people want to keep their kid on insurance at 26, fine. We’ve got to make sure no American gets turned back for pre-existing conditions, that’s fine. Keep the doughnut hole closed, that’s fine. But what I just talked to you about — maybe 20, 25 pages of legislation.”

24 posted on 06/03/2012 4:26:36 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: ak267
Simply put, it won’t work. If they have kids insured to 26, close the donut hole, waive pre-existing conditions AND LET THE MARKET DICTATE THE PRICE, then there will be a “victim-induced” scream fest (usual suspects) when they see the bill. And the “parade of victims” will be a cinematic production. The Republicans will then be in a jam to find way to “fund” the areas they let survive.

Donut hole good and works - nothing wrong with making folks aware of generic drugs, especially if they're on the tax-payers dollar.

The phrase was 'if folks want to keep their kids on insurance at 26, who cares" (or similar) - nothing about government paying for it.

Waiving preexisting conditions is a contentious item - if you or yours had some conditions that prevented your ability to obtain insurance, and couldn't afford to pay out of pocket for everything, would you just want to let yourself and/or yours roll over and die?

One saves money, one is a personal parental choice, and the other needs to be addressed as a form of "death panel" which is something you would agree is really bad about Obama-Care.

25 posted on 06/03/2012 4:37:09 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: ak267

And the RINO Renaissance shifts leftward... I have no confidence that this monstrosity will be repealed, even if the Republicans take Congress and the Presidency.


26 posted on 06/03/2012 6:20:10 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: ak267

The real problem is the laws that make “socialized medicine” and mandatory insurance the remedy. For example, hospitals being legally obligated to treat some patients who cannot pay.


27 posted on 06/03/2012 6:45:48 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (God-issued, not govt-issued.)
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To: fatnotlazy
First? Prior to 2006 there was no Rx drug coverage at all, under Medicare.
George Bush came up with a program that made some degree of fiscal sense, as drugs, no matter the expense, are often cheaper than a hospital or nursing home stay.

Next? You have proven my point!
If the drug involved had cost you NOTHING? You would probably still be taking that drug!

28 posted on 06/03/2012 11:04:35 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: saywhatagain

I do not think you understand the issue.
I KNOW you do not understand my post and my point.

Part D was a much better program, on balance, the way George Bush designed it.

Eliminating the “Donut Hole” is a Democrat idea, a very bad idea.


29 posted on 06/03/2012 11:07:35 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: trebb; All

trebb, you can spin this all you want, but keeping something from Obamacare is just leaving the door open for it to come back bit by bit. Med D already has a footprint obligation of one-trillion and it won’t get any smaller. Gov’t grows yet again.

Kids covered to age 26? It’s none of the government’s DAMN business dictating age. That can be negotiated by the customers and the insurance company. By having the gov’t dictating terms, it only acts as a first step to dictating other edicts. We’ve got enough of those already.

Pre-existing conditions should be market priced or have special pools admined by the states but Obamacare threw the baby out of with the bathwater on that front. By having pre-existing patients on the rolls, it skews the concept of an insurance pool. If you have PE’s entering the market, it will be a drain on private insurance system without properly pricing the the product. Leave the solutions up to the states, the insured, and the companies to decide. Keep the Feds out of it. Again, another doorway for the Fed to insert themselves.

So trebb, don’t try to sweet talk it and realize that keeping something out of Obamacare is just begging for future congresses to use as an excuse to grow it yet again. One only need to see the bastard case known as Romneycare (which now needs stimulus money to keep afloat).


30 posted on 06/03/2012 3:05:10 PM PDT by ak267
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To: Kansas58
My bad my apologies

I did go to the act and search what you were writing about. But admittedly as a lay person, no I don't understand the nuances of the prescription coverage. All I read is more "subsidies" in almost every part of the act

The way I understood your writing, was that which you were expressing was in the new act.

Again my bad, my apologies, Thank you for clarifying.

31 posted on 06/03/2012 4:55:53 PM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: saywhatagain

No problem.
I appreciate your honesty and your concern.


32 posted on 06/03/2012 7:43:06 PM PDT by Kansas58
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