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Florence family accuses police chief of shooting 2 dogs
KVUE ^ | June 2, 2012 | ASHLEY GOUDEAU

Posted on 06/05/2012 12:32:32 PM PDT by Altariel

FLORENCE, Texas -- The Vybiral family are dog lovers; considering their four-legged companions members of their family. It started with Sassy, a six year old Rhodesian Ridgeback. Now this family is mourning, Sassy is dead.

"She's crying, she's hysterical. 'There's blood mom. She's shooting guns.'" Louise Vybiral describes the phone call she received from her daughter Caren Friday afternoon.

Caren says she was watching a movie with her two year old daughter Lilly when gunshots rang out. She thought they were coming from across the street.

"Thought maybe Chevron was being robbed or something. I didn't have any idea what was going on," Caren Vybiral said. "And when I walked to open the door, there was another gun shot."

Caren said Sassy was lying in the door way bleeding. And standing above her was Florence Police Chief Julie Elliot-Abshire. After a short exchange, Caren said the chief ran to the back yard and shot the other family dog that was locked up, a two year old pit bull named Boomer.

"I asked her what is going on," Caren described, "and she said, um, the b-word, did you not hear me knocking on your front door. And I said no, why did you shoot my dogs?"

Apparently Sassy and Boomer got out of the back yard and walked to the Chevron. A city worker called the cops to report the loose dogs. A family friend put the dogs back into the yard, but Sassy got out again.

"It got out, I'm guilty of that, but it was laying on the porch when she shot it," Louise Vybiral said.

But what truly frightens this family, one of the shots went into the home. Fragments of a bullet still lie on the windowsill.

"For an officer of the law to come up into your yard, and fire a shot, or to draw her weapon and aim it towards a home. That shot could have hurt my granddaughter or my daughter, you know. I mean the bullet is in my house," Vybiral said.

"The bullet hole is only two feet from where we were standing, so I mean, it could have been us," added Caren.

KVUE News tried to contact the Florence Police Department, mayor and city council, no one returned our calls or emails. We also went to the police department for comment, but the door was locked.

"She doesn't need to be an officer. She's not upholding the law. Just because she wears a badge doesn't mean she can pull her gun and just shoot anything," Vybiral said.

The Williamson County Sheriff's Office said they are aware that an incident involving the police chief happened in Florence, but it's not their jurisdiction. The Texas Rangers say they are not yet involved in the case.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: dog; donutwatch; femalecop; warondogs

1 posted on 06/05/2012 12:32:43 PM PDT by Altariel
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To: Altariel

Don’t towns have dog catchers anymore?


2 posted on 06/05/2012 12:34:52 PM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: Altariel

A man in California went to prison for throwing a dog onto a busy freeway. The dog was killed. This woman should be in prison.

As for cops shooting dogs, I’ve never heard of a mailman having to shoot one.


3 posted on 06/05/2012 12:35:54 PM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." Peter Griffin - FAMILY GUY)
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To: Altariel

Could this be her?

4 posted on 06/05/2012 12:37:47 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Altariel
I'm guessing they don't have any animal control enforcement/officials in Florence, so the easiest solution is just to have the Chief go to the house and shoot the dogs?

If this story stands as it was related and the dumb beeatch chief does not loose her job and the city sued, then there is no justice.

5 posted on 06/05/2012 12:38:24 PM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: Terry Mross
As for cops shooting dogs, I’ve never heard of a mailman having to shoot one.

It's one of the many perqs that comes with the job.............

6 posted on 06/05/2012 12:40:29 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: BikerJoe

Call the dog catcher?

And miss out on the fun of terrorizing citizens?

Your priorities are mixed up.

< /sarc>


7 posted on 06/05/2012 12:42:35 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

This was a BIG topic on KLBJ in Austin Sunday and yesterday morning. Lots of angry callers about the “No calls were returned” issue.


8 posted on 06/05/2012 12:45:11 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It's time to take out the trash in DC.)
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To: Altariel

If there was shooting outside my house, my dog came inside and died from a bullet wound and then a lone LEO showed up at my back door to threaten me and call me names, she’d be a goner even if I had to take a hit to make it happen. People like her don’t deserve to breath air.


9 posted on 06/05/2012 12:45:53 PM PDT by jboot (Emperor: "How will this end?" Kosh: "In fire.")
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To: plain talk

Police shoot dog ping


10 posted on 06/05/2012 12:46:14 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1232 of our ObamaVacation from reality [and what dark chill/is gathering still/before the storm])
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
If this story stands as it was related

It is pretty accurate as callers to KLBJ confirmed yesterday.

11 posted on 06/05/2012 12:49:19 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It's time to take out the trash in DC.)
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To: Altariel

And what is it with cops killing pets in Texas? This is the third or fourth story I’ve seen in 10 days. I thought Texas was one of the last places where the USA was still like the USA used to be. I’d hate for that to change.


12 posted on 06/05/2012 12:50:37 PM PDT by jboot (Emperor: "How will this end?" Kosh: "In fire.")
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To: jboot

I’m thinking along the same lines. Kill my dog on my property, I will opt to use the Texas Law to defend my “Property” through the use of lethal force. And yes, I do value my animals more than people like that.


13 posted on 06/05/2012 12:54:47 PM PDT by Hodar (Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see.- A. Schopenhauer)
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To: BikerJoe
Don’t towns have dog catchers anymore?

Why do they need them? The local constabulary seems to be more than up to the task.

14 posted on 06/05/2012 12:55:43 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (My dog, yes. My wife, maybe. My gun....NEVER!)
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To: Hodar

It’s a damned shame that if a cop knocks on your door you have to make sure your little puppy doesn’t dash out and try to lick the cop’s shoes. And I guess if you have one in your back yard they can just go back there and shoot at will.

And these local yokels are the ones we think will be on our side in a revolution. I don’t think so.


15 posted on 06/05/2012 12:58:44 PM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." Peter Griffin - FAMILY GUY)
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To: Hodar
I do value my animals more than people like that.

Heck yes. I know my animals and they know me. An I know some LEOs like to stomp all over little people like me. So it's a no-brainer.

Plus, in that situation I would not likely be rational or in the mood to take orders from anyone. Some of us have less to lose than others and might make unexpected judgement calls. And some honest folk are handier with weapons than the usual street riff-raff. LEOs should be mindful of that.

16 posted on 06/05/2012 1:02:52 PM PDT by jboot (Emperor: "How will this end?" Kosh: "In fire.")
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To: Altariel

Since New Jersey just passed a law that imposes $1000 fine if your dog is in your car and not in a seat belt.

This means the dogs now have the legal status of a child.
Can a cop shoot you child?


17 posted on 06/05/2012 1:03:16 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (End the racist, anti-capitalist Obama War On Freedom.)
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To: BuffaloJack
"Can a cop shoot you child?"

Only if he/she is snarling or barking.

18 posted on 06/05/2012 1:08:49 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Terry Mross
And these local yokels are the ones we think will be on our side in a revolution. I don’t think so.

LOL, who thinks that?! If TSHTF the barneys will hole up down at the station and only leave if they need to "procure" items like food or drugs or something nice for the missus (all at an M4 discount, of course). They will be nothing better than well-equipped gangs.

19 posted on 06/05/2012 1:09:38 PM PDT by jboot (Emperor: "How will this end?" Kosh: "In fire.")
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To: jboot
"They will be nothing better than well equipped gangs"

Not for long. They'll turn on each other almost immediately.


20 posted on 06/05/2012 1:25:22 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: Altariel

I feel like part of this story is missing. Dogs running around being a pain in the *ss don’t usually need to be shot unless they threaten someone. So what, she knocked on the door, nobody answered, so she said “Oh well. I’ll just shoot these m*****f*****s.”? I mean, she walks onto someone’s front porch and drills their dog 2-3 times because she thought nobody was home? What’s the excuse for shooting the dog in the backyard? Someone HAD answered the door at that point. Did the dogs mutilate someone’s kid or something?


22 posted on 06/05/2012 1:50:47 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: Altariel

Man, there’s an Epic flame war on this topic at this other site’s board.

A word of caution though - lots of uncensored foul language there.
godlikeproductions(dot)com/forum1/message1888033/pg1


23 posted on 06/05/2012 2:15:21 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969
What’s the excuse for shooting the dog in the backyard? Someone HAD answered the door at that point. Did the dogs mutilate someone’s kid or something?

According to the locals there, the dogs had been known to break out the yard and run around the neighborhood. Florence used to be a small farming community.

I used to hunt dove there with my cousin in the 70s and 80s. It has grown quite a bit the past 15 or 20 years. The PD chief is lucky she didn't have hot lead headed her way after this incident.

24 posted on 06/05/2012 2:22:34 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It's time to take out the trash in DC.)
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To: Terry Mross

Good point.

Why is it that unarmed (except for pepper spray in recent times) postmen and women have walked the street in their lightweight uniforms for hundreds of years,taking more of their share of bites and cuts (a well-known hazard of the occupation), and these guys in their leather gloves, bullet-resistant vests, and so on shoot at even the slightest threat?

Maybe we should fire all the wimpy, trigger-happy police and replace them with out-of-work postal workers, who would love to have jobs. They seem to have much more courage and better judgement.


25 posted on 06/05/2012 3:09:12 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: The Antiyuppie
I have read over three dozen "Cop shoots family dog" stories in the past couple years. In NOT ONE of them has any of the officers been bitten. Or scratched.

Fact is, these "cops" are a bunch of chicken-sh*t pansies, little scaredy-cat, wimpoid, trigger-happy rejects who deserve to be whipped within an inch of their lives.

They make me sick, and their shame is Legion. I wish them all a great deal of ill.

;-\

26 posted on 06/05/2012 3:20:18 PM PDT by Gargantua ("All men ARE 'created' equal--but 21 years later... well, 'nuff said...")
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To: Gargantua
"A Message from the Chief

The Florence Police Department will strive to provide quality public service based on high ethical and professional standards. This mission is to be attained through a sincere commitment to public service. It includes preserving the peace and order of the City through conflict management and enforcement of criminal laws. It also includes being both responsive and responsible to the public we serve. We will strive to serve, educate and protect the public through community collaboration, problem recognition, problem resolution and police action. In carrying out our mission, we must work with our community as a team to ensure that the citizens of Florence are provided the best protection and service we can give.

Our philosophy encourages two-way communication between Police Officers and the residents in the city they serve. We believe that the members of the Police Department and residents of the city can work together to solve problems and address issues in an atmosphere of trust and teamwork."

27 posted on 06/05/2012 5:42:16 PM PDT by Paladin2
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28 posted on 06/05/2012 5:48:58 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: BikerJoe

What, and miss the chance to kill something?


29 posted on 06/05/2012 6:11:07 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: servo1969

I read some of that thread. Just wow....


30 posted on 06/05/2012 6:50:01 PM PDT by Sparky21555
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To: servo1969

Lots of “Anonymous Coward” posts too.

LOL!


31 posted on 06/05/2012 7:16:38 PM PDT by Eaker (When somebody hands you your arse, don't give it back saying "This needs a little more tenderizing.")
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To: Gargantua

It’s not fear, it’s powerlust.

They “get off” so to speak on feeling that they have “dominated” the “simple peasants”.

The Federal government
is remaking itself into the Nobility, the police into the “Knights of the Realm” who torment the “Peasantry”.

Liberals LOVED the feudal system.

Obama made it clear:

“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

Notice how police departments across the nation have been “rewarded” with military gear, etc?

They’re preparing for their role as foot soldiers in Obama’s army.


32 posted on 06/05/2012 8:24:41 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

“They’re preparing for their role as foot soldiers in Obama’s army.”


BULL**** !


33 posted on 06/05/2012 8:30:35 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: Mears

The pouring of federal dollars and the generous distribution of army, tanks, drones and other paraphernalia speaks otherwise.

These things are not needed by peace officers.

They are needed by a standing army. You know, the very thing the Founders warned us against.

Those who have willingly accepted federal coin and federal booty will be ordered to march for The State. They placed the collars around their own necks.


34 posted on 06/05/2012 10:29:28 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

When your fence has a hole, how about fixing it lady?! She’s lucky they did not get hit on the highway.

But a cop chasing those dogs into their yard and shooting them and putting a bullet into the house, she needs a new job at the convience store across the street. She’s an idiot.


35 posted on 06/05/2012 10:39:18 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Travis McGee

We have the religion of peace...

and the Public Servants of Peace.

Suppose they both have the same reason for wanting to rid law-abiding citizens of dogs?

Why was the police chief *really* there?

(I prefer the real thing—the Peace officers of old, myself, but we’re seeing an increase in the counterfeit).


36 posted on 06/05/2012 10:52:03 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: SaraJohnson

I agree that the citizen needs to repair her fence.

But the bigger problem here is not loose dogs, but a loose, trigger-happy Public Servant of Peace.


37 posted on 06/05/2012 10:53:58 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

The scary thing about all this is this not an abberration. This forum has been peppered with similar events from the East Coast to the West Coast.

More and more, the Law Enforcement Establishment, with their outrageous perks and salaries, and undue political influence, has been setting itself up as a culture and society apart from the citizenry they are supposed to protect.

Even more frightening is the drfit towards a paramilitary establishment along the lines of the Carabineri or Gendarmerie. Watch them training at a Police Acadmy. It looks like a military institution. And they bring that attitude with them when they graduate.

This is NOT the America I was born into and NOT the kind of police force that existed in the 1950s.

They are frighting and dangerous.

We were far better off with Sheriffs, Marshalls, posses and militias.


38 posted on 06/06/2012 7:47:18 AM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
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To: Terry Mross
I’ve never heard of a mailman having to shoot one.

Nor a real estate appraiser.
39 posted on 06/06/2012 7:57:34 AM PDT by DivineMomentsOfTruth ("Give me Liberty or I'll stand up and get it for myself!")
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To: ZULU

“We were far better off with Sheriffs, Marshalls, posses and militias.”

Agreed.


40 posted on 06/06/2012 8:04:30 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

“The pouring of federal dollars and the generous distribution of army, tanks, drones and other paraphernalia speaks otherwise.”

What police department have been given tanks and drones? I truly am not aware of this.


41 posted on 06/06/2012 10:42:14 AM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: ZULU

I used to hear that people in a lot of turd world countries were afraid to call the police. I’m beginning to understand why, now that ours are acting turd world.


42 posted on 06/06/2012 10:42:55 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: servo1969; Altariel

Ah, interesting. Lots of fun info there if you dig deep. Doggie-murdering copchick’s addresses, emails, phone numbers, Amazon wishlist, lesbian galpals name and particulars, kids names, schools...it goes on and on.


43 posted on 06/06/2012 10:42:58 AM PDT by jboot (Emperor: "How will this end?" Kosh: "In fire.")
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To: Travis McGee

I’ve said it before. Anyone, and I do mean anyone, who harms one of my family dogs under circumstances like this is a dead person walking

The only open questions are when, where, and how.


44 posted on 06/06/2012 10:52:03 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: TexasRepublic

You won’t catch me calling the police anymore. Or any other government agency. To involve the government is to lose any control that you may have had of the situation and open yourself up to scrutiny and retaliation under color of law.


45 posted on 06/06/2012 11:29:33 AM PDT by jboot (Emperor: "How will this end?" Kosh: "In fire.")
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To: TexasRepublic

The Cops, it would seem, serve the Courts and attorneys and themselves, the Courts serve themselves and the attorneys, and the attorneys, well, they serve themselves.

(Do I see a pattern here?)


46 posted on 06/06/2012 1:19:57 PM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

Well, guess what — there is no justice. The Police Chief wasn’t even reprimanded:

http://www.12newsnow.com/story/18780901/florence-police-chief-will-not-be-disciplined-for-shooting-dogs


47 posted on 07/13/2012 1:41:58 AM PDT by Murgatroyd
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