Posted on 06/17/2012 2:17:16 PM PDT by Hildy
Disruption by the elected representatives? A completely different story.
If they didn't sign a contract stating that they would abide by "the will of the people" as stated by a popular vote, well then they get to do what they want.
(About that thing you wrote -- is OK for you to quote my favorite Tom Hanks movie, as it was amazing, despite his misguided political views.)
We still ought to try to get a Republican platform that is as free of RINO compromises as possible.
Despite the general disdain for him on FR, Dr. Paul's views agree far more with Orthodox Americanism than do the views of Mitt Romney on most issues. I hope the Republican platform is strongly influenced toward Orthodox Americanism as a result of the involvement of Dr. Paul's supporters being a check and balance on Romney's RINOism. Dr. Paul will certainly not be nominated, no worries for Freepers worried about that, though I myself would certainly prefer him to Romney, but he can still serve as an early part of the new task we ALL will now face, that of "holding Romney's feet to the fire" after he is elected.
I am nauseated at the idea Romney will be elected, but we really are "voting for less evil," and we need to already be preparing for how to deal with the "less evil" politician we end up electing.
We will need a whole new section of FR after the election called "Holding President Romney's Feet to the Fire of Orthodox Americanism."
I was on the platform committee for Texas’ convention last week and on the subcommittee for marriage and life. The Paulers testified that we should get government altogether out of marriage, let anything go on a civil contract, which is what Ron Paul supports.
I’m still hearing the same theme on my blog posts about the convention.
re: “When the relative evils are GREAT evils, I will pass on all of them. There is a depth of depravity that is not to be encouraged or supported.”
Then the greater depravity will win.
re: “Heinrich a political hack? Absolutely. And Willard and Hussein are not? You know that is precisely what they are. Wacko?”
Actually I don’t know that Romney is wacko - he may be, you may be, but as of right now, I don’t have evidence for Romney’s insanity. Himmler believed in a super-race and that the evils of the world were primarily caused by the Jews. He was obviously evil, probably insane in some regards. I do not believe that Romney is Himmler. To say that he is, is an outrageous statement way beyond the pale of reason.
I didn’t want Romney as the GOP candidate. But, he’s the guy. You don’t like him - so don’t vote. No one’s forcing you. What gets me about your position is that you actually help destruction along - and yet you think you’re being morally superior for doing so.
re: “The rot is deep. Let the crumbling begin.”
Wow. Just wow.
“Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!” — Jim Robinson, 09/30/07
THey totally hijacked our Arizona State Convention..not that it was too hard. Our leadership, and I know them and like them personally, did a terrible job. I believed they should have had a do over..it was that bad.
“I do not believe that Romney is Himmler. To say that he is, is an outrageous statement way beyond the pale of reason.”
I assume then you are indifferent towards or approve of abortion as birth control. Romney’s swath for state supported liquidation encompasses a wider segment of the population, and his and his family’s history is even more disengaged from the nation he seeks to control, in terms of participation or even mere residency. That he has accomplished fewer evil acts is a reflection of his more limited authority. But that is a work in progress.
‘re: “The rot is deep. Let the crumbling begin.”
Wow. Just wow.’
The United States is heading the way of the Soviet Union for similar reasons of insolvency, overwhelming bureaucracy, cultural decay and lack of real consent from the governed. The ‘Massachusetts moderate’ will reverse that decline as effectively as Andropov did for the Soviets. He is yet another symptom of the decline, not a cure. It doesn’t matter. America and Americans were free and prosperous before the Washington government arose, and they can be free and prosperous after its dissolution. It could also be worse. Time will tell.
No, I don't want riots anywhere but you have sewn the whirlwind. Live with it.
You had your chance and you blew it.
Ha Ha Ha yeah sure, very funny......Not!
re: “I assume then you are indifferent towards or approve of abortion as birth control.”
You assume wrong. Again, I’m voting for the less evil. Obama is more evil therefore I vote against the greater evil.
re: “America and Americans were free and prosperous before the Washington government arose, and they can be free and prosperous after its dissolution.”
You moved from we “will be” better off after our nation’s collapse to “can be”?
re: “It could also be worse. Time will tell.”
Yeah, a lot worse. I’m glad to see that you grant that possibility.
First, about the military: Romney has not spent one second in the military, and he doesn’t have a clue how to be a commander in chief. That makes him less qualified, imo.
144’s argument is that Romney targets every race for death. He is an equal opportunity abortionist.
Like 144 I will not vote for Romney. He is a radical liberal, and I don’t believe it’s possible to go forward by taking 2 steps backward.
Well, I guess you sure told me how the cow ate the cabbage. :)
I, sadly don’t have a clue what you are talking about. Sowing whirlwinds, living with it and blown chances?
I was responding to your post #61. You might want to reread it. There is always the chance the sarcasm tag wasn’t posted. If that is the case, then I sincerely apologize. I guess that is one of the down sides of the written word, intent isn’t always clear.
Whatever the case, I sincerely hope you had a good day.
(btw, I know that most feel that anyone who didn’t sign up in the ‘90s is a noob. I’ll respect that senority...but I am by no means “new” on this site.)
Boy, I said to myself, that is Birther level delusion. And a brief review of your "in forum" shows that I was right.
So tell me, just what Birther math are you using to arrive at 67 votes in the next Senate to convict BO, and remove him from office, when this impeachment occurs? I mean with once in a century luck the Republicans might get 60 seats in the Senate, but 67? Or have you not thought that far? Or does you super-duper-Orly-Taitz-approved plan for victory have BO not being convicted at his impeachment trial, and being allowed, like Clinton, to finish two full terms?
I don’t see much difference between Romney and Obama and this view is shared by people across the political spectrum.
When Obama gets elected to a 2nd term, he will face an increasingly hostile Congress and Courts. He will move to do things unilaterally by EO just as he is doing now.
At some point there will be a full-blown crisis regarding his birth status. Sheriff Arpaio’s investigation presses on with more damning evidence of fraud. If a charge of criminal fraud is issued, and it looks probable that it will be issued, then the Congress will not be able to ignore the charges and will have to without any other option take it up.
There may indeed be reluctance of 34 Senators to convict him following impeachment, but they have to answer as to why Obama’s crimes did not rise to high crimes and misdemeanors, why he should be allowed to stay in office after a lower court convicted him of fraud, and how his fraud was perpetuated by himself and the DNC by fraudulently placing him on ballots as eligible to be President.
In the case of William J. Clinton, it was always cast as a he said-she said sexual conflict and the American people although appalled by the accusations did not think that whatever happened was provable to a crime that warranted conviction. It was not the sexual abuses of William J. Clinton that were subject to conviction, it was using the Office of the Presidency to aid, abet or cover-up the criminal conduct. Only Senator Fred Thompson was able to write a brief that was convincing enough to convict Clinton in the Senate but other Senators were reticent because they thought that the underlying behavior did not rise to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors.
Such is not the case with Obama. If he is tried in a lower court and found to be fraudulent in his representation of his bonafides, and it is found he was complicit in the Fast & Furious deadly arming of narco-traffickers, then there is plenty of material to push for conviction in the Senate. Because this case of Barack Obama II is not about sex but about subverting the Constitution and covering up a dealy illegal arming of arch-enemies.
Having tracked the Clinton impeachment intensely, I am beginning to see the critical mass gathering to impeach Obama and if the evidence is about willful deliberate deception, then I can see conviction in the Senate happening.
Because Romney will appoint liberal judges, because he will preserve Obamacare, because he will back gay marriage and do all he can to bring down conservative influences, it is far better to pick to fight Obama with impeachment, than it is to act as cheerleader for the Romney.
OK Your idea of victory is let BO serve as President until {Birther Rapture occurs} and he is removed from office, and Hillary, or Biden takes office and completes his second term.
Letting the two of them spend four more years appointing Supreme Court Justices, lower Federal Judges, all United States Attorneys, and all senior administrators in every Federal department. Four more years of DOJ being run by Eric Holder, or someone worse. Four more of DOD being PC'd to death. Four more years of the EPA trying to shut down industry. Four more years of foreign policy designed to alienate our allies and strengthen our enemies. Four more years for Iran to build nukes. Four more years of a President who refuses to enforce the laws. Four more years of not passing worthwhile legislation.
And you call that victory? So do the folks at DU.
I'm glad to see that Birthers have finally accepted that BO isn't going to be litigated from office by Orly Taitz, or deposed in a military coup, or impeached from office by a Harry Reid led Senate, this term. I'm neither glad, nor surprised, that Birthers have gone from implicitly supporting BO's re-election, by smearing BO's opponents with Birther wackyness, to explicitly advocating BO's reelection, so that they have four more years indulge in Walter Mitty fantasies that they are going to help Orly Taitz litigate BO from office, or talk the Army into deposing BO, or mesmerize 7-15 Democrat Senators (plus all the Republicans) into believing a fake Kenyan birth certificate to produced later.
>”Letting the two of them spend four more years appointing Supreme Court Justices, lower Federal Judges, all United States Attorneys, and all senior administrators in every Federal department. Four more years of DOJ being run by Eric Holder, or someone worse. Four more of DOD being PC’d to death. Four more years of the EPA trying to shut down industry. Four more years of foreign policy designed to alienate our allies and strengthen our enemies. Four more years for Iran to build nukes. Four more years of a President who refuses to enforce the laws. Four more years of not passing worthwhile legislation.”
Yep, that sounds about like what Romney’s people will do and they will preserve Obamacare, back gay marriage, legalize illegals and generally squash the conservatives and leave them without a party.
You’re not going to be able to sell your special brand of Romney BS to conservatives, to think otherwise is lunacy.
Romney is a liberal democrat in republican clothing who has taken over the GOP-e.
The only shot conservatives have is with Paul creating a brokered convention.
Bottomline, the Presidency is with high probability lost to us. If you think otherwise, try selling it somewhere else.
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