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16/18/2012 | jongaltst

Posted on 06/18/2012 10:21:11 PM PDT by jongaltsr

Well, now I'm a believer.

What I saw this evening tells me that there IS something out there that isn't a star, isn't an airplane and definitively isn't a normal fluctuation in the atmosphere.

I noted a "star"? in the SSW at about 30 degrees from the horizon.

At first I thought it was just a star jumping around due to atmospheric fluctuation. After a few minutes I noted that it "jumped" from time to time. About every 3rd or 4th jump I noted a second light jump with it and then immediately return to blend with the brighter object (star)?

I spend a fair amount of time in the evenings looking for satellites passing over and then checking with my NASA satellite tracking program to see just which one it was.

This was not a satellite. I don't know just what it was but it was not normal. Stars do fluctuate somewhat from time to time, but in this case ONLY this one was fluctuating and none of those nearby moved one iota.

It continued for more than 15 minutes or so until I couldn't strain my neck anymore.

It wasn't a star. If it was the ones in the immediate vicinity would have been jumping about in the same manner.

What it is I don't know but I'll make a educated guess. I won't tell you what I guess it was but I did want to report this for the purpose to elicit though as to what kind of object could possibly act in a manner independent from ALL other objects in the night sky.

It stayed relative to where I first viewed it.

It didn't streak across the sky - it merely "jumped" from spot to spot. The smaller object did seem to streak in response to the brighter objects movement (and) it always fell into the glow (behind or beside) the larger object.

I will post this and see what others might have to say on the subject.

Maybe one of you will have thoughts on the subject that might be of interest.

Thanks


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: aliens; fr00tl00p; ib4exceptafterc; nightparalysis; sleepparalysis; spacephenomena; spaceship
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1 posted on 06/18/2012 10:21:19 PM PDT by jongaltsr
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To: jongaltsr
Don't worry, we got it. Thank you for reporting.


2 posted on 06/18/2012 10:26:01 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: jongaltsr

Probably a military craft.


3 posted on 06/18/2012 10:26:44 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: jongaltsr

I just can’t schpell...


4 posted on 06/18/2012 10:29:10 PM PDT by djf ("There are more old drunkards than old doctors." - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: jongaltsr
Your story is not convincing. Strained neck? You leave and post because of a strained neck? Is it still there? Got a camera?

I was checking out the eye of God for a while but I got tired. LOL!


5 posted on 06/18/2012 10:38:53 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: jongaltsr

Sorry... just nustin yur chops.

I spent alot of my younger years reading things and watching the skies at night.

MOST PEOPLE are not professional sky watchers. By professional, I mean meteorologists, atmospheric scientists, aviators, that sort of thing.

MOST PEOPLE will, sometime during their lives, see very convincing evidence of something they cannot explain.

And I would have to agree with the various assesments that say 98% of these incidents are nothing unusual or extraterrestrial, just something the observer is not familiar with.

That still leaves the two percent that are unexplained.

When you tell me you saw something, I say that’s unusual, hope you figure it out...

If a pilot with 20,000 hours says he saw something I really, really start to wonder!!!


6 posted on 06/18/2012 10:39:14 PM PDT by djf ("There are more old drunkards than old doctors." - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: jongaltsr

Don’t let ‘em abduct you, whatever you do. They always do that “anal probe” thing.


7 posted on 06/18/2012 10:49:51 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: jongaltsr

Ask the mod to fix your title.


8 posted on 06/18/2012 10:50:35 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: djf

I have seen a UFO. Probably terrestrial, though.

20+ years ago, looking at the stars. A large object, darker than the sky, blotted out the stars as it passed overhead.

Had to have been huge. And series.

Was also a witness to the Phoenix lights. We were up to something, whatever it was.


9 posted on 06/18/2012 10:52:33 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: jongaltsr; Slings and Arrows; Salamander; JoeProBono; Markos33; humblegunner


10 posted on 06/18/2012 10:59:22 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: familyop

Anal probe?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz7sBTHtcLU


11 posted on 06/18/2012 10:59:37 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

I saw something many, many years ago, I was about 17.

My bed was situated sideways next to the bedroom window, I often slept with the window open and no screen.

In the middle of the night, 2 or 3 AM, I abruptly woke up and immediately looked out the window. Don’t know why.

Far above, in the sky there was this thing. Not anything I would call a ship or a plane, the nest way I can describe it is:
Take a soccer ball.
Glue a bunch of pyramids onto it.
Make it a glowing, translucent purple.

It came straight down at me, and whether it was real or just my imagination, I was so scared I ducked - looked up, and never saw it again.

I can say this much - for those brief moments (and the whole incident probably took maybe five seconds), for those few moments, and for ALL THE DECADES I have lived since then, THAT THING WAS REAL.

And at least part of my study I have tried to see if anyone else ever saw a similar thing, but never heard of it.

Whatever it was...


12 posted on 06/18/2012 11:14:37 PM PDT by djf ("There are more old drunkards than old doctors." - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: shibumi

13 posted on 06/18/2012 11:20:10 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: jongaltsr

"Crap! You have spotted my interplanetary flying space saucer! Prepare to be fricasseed by my ACME Disintegrating Pistol!"

"As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their hearts desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

--H.L. Mencken, The Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920


14 posted on 06/18/2012 11:23:34 PM PDT by Viking2002
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To: djf

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh! Purple!
Never mind.
(Just messin’ with you.)


15 posted on 06/18/2012 11:30:56 PM PDT by Museum Twenty (To see myself as others see me? Sounds like a terrible fate! I take great comfort in self-delusion.)
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To: shibumi

16 posted on 06/18/2012 11:45:33 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: jongaltsr

I know exactly what you’re talking about. It’s been there for years, at least in my area. It never varies like other stars and planets, it always rises in the same spot 24/7. There’s another like it in the east, and it’s NOT Serias (the star)

It weaves and bobs, brightens and flares, and pretends it belongs there. Sometimes it seems to come in closer and sometimes it seems to back off but stays in the same relative area. I’ve tried to view it through a cheap telescope but all you could see was a weaving, bobbing, sparkling (throbbing it seems..each throb a different color) and I couldn’t make anything out of it. Same with good binoculars.

I don’t know what it is, but it’s just there and has been for at least 20 years or so. No seasonal changes...has to be man made.

I’m really glad you mentioned it though.


17 posted on 06/18/2012 11:50:22 PM PDT by PrairieLady2
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18 posted on 06/18/2012 11:54:03 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: djf

19 posted on 06/18/2012 11:57:14 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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20 posted on 06/19/2012 12:21:16 AM PDT by goron (Revelation 13:18)
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To: jongaltsr

I fired up my Starry Night with Phoenix as location, and I did notice a very bright and slow moving satellite, identified as RESURS-DK1, moving from W to SW. disappearing just S of SW at 10:34 this evening at about 21 deg. altitude.


21 posted on 06/19/2012 12:22:15 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: jongaltsr
I Believe, here is why.
22 posted on 06/19/2012 12:27:02 AM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period.)
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23 posted on 06/19/2012 12:38:11 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: dr_lew

Sounds reasonable. The trouble is why would it appear to be jumping about unless it was rotating and had something nearby that was attached which also rotated and caught the rays from the sun.

At that latitude the sun probably would have reflected off of any object but thought this seemed to jump about it stayed “relatively” in the same position over 15 minutes.

A satellite (most satellites) that do move, move MUCH faster than that and I have never heard of one that rotates in orbit. (if that was what it was doing???????)

Thanks. A good level headed possible explanation.


24 posted on 06/19/2012 12:52:38 AM PDT by jongaltsr
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To: unkus

Military Craft.
I thought of that right off the bat.
But that really doesn’t explain it’s odd behavior - but then again who knows what the Military would be testing and for what purpose.
Just so long as they don’t aim the stupid thing at me, they can do (almost) anything they want.


25 posted on 06/19/2012 12:56:12 AM PDT by jongaltsr
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To: djf

I personally have trouble typpinng at tymes.


26 posted on 06/19/2012 12:57:30 AM PDT by jongaltsr
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To: jongaltsr

I saw something similar when I lived in New Mexico. It’s anyone’s guess what’s out there.


27 posted on 06/19/2012 12:59:18 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: I see my hands

strained neck due to it being broken in VietNam. Sorry I haven’t a better excuse.

As far as my camera is concerned it just is not powerful enough to photograph stuff like that. I just use it for landscapes and personal photographs of family and friends.

Do you know where the eye of god is?
(The eye of Horus)?
Do you know why it is called the Eye of Horus?
Another interesting fact. NASA discovered a couple of years back that the center of the universe is in the same place as the Egyptains said the gods watched us from (The Eye of Horus).


28 posted on 06/19/2012 1:04:16 AM PDT by jongaltsr
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To: jongaltsr

We’re all fluent in Typonese, let not your heart be troubled.


29 posted on 06/19/2012 1:08:43 AM PDT by sofaman (An enemy generally says and believes what he wishes. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

I saw pictures of the Phoenix lights and the ones they tried to dump on us (Flairs).

I spent enough time in VietNam where our only light off the perimeter was through the use of flairs.

The triangular lights that most people saw at dusk WERE NOT FLAIRS no matter how hard they tried to convince people that they were.


30 posted on 06/19/2012 1:09:03 AM PDT by jongaltsr
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To: Viking2002

Where in my dissertation did I use the word “flying saucer”?

You can make what you want of what I saw for I don’t know what I saw but PLEASE NEVER PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH>.....


31 posted on 06/19/2012 1:11:40 AM PDT by jongaltsr
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To: djf

I believe you. There are things we can not explain because we don’t have the knowledge and experience to say what is real and what is an illusion.

An illusion is merely an unknown object that you are unfamiliar with and your brain tries to categorize as best it can with the knowledge you have and sometimes it gets kind of kinky while doing so.


32 posted on 06/19/2012 1:15:59 AM PDT by jongaltsr
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To: djf

I used to be in the AirForce. A lot of guys told me things they saw and could not adequately identify and their only explanation was UFO.

It means different things to different people. Pilots use the word as it was meant to be used (unidentified flying object)

Some of those pilots said (I can’t call it a space ship because I would lose my wings) so I only refer to it as a UFO because I ONLY KNOW that I saw something unusual, unique and nothing that is known in their book of known flying craft.


33 posted on 06/19/2012 1:22:13 AM PDT by jongaltsr
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I’ve seen and experienced some heavy “UFO” type stuff and used to talk about it. My friends thought I was crazy - they’re not my friends anymore by their choice. That was when I was younger and having friends was more important. I decided not to talk about specific things casually ever again.

My wife believes me, and I’ve put it all into perspective. There are plenty of things in the Universe and in our own minds we may never understand.

I do think it’s unfair how a “pilot” is deemed qualified as an observer of the sky, but a sailor, sniper, hunter, fisherman, etc. just never seems to be “credible.”


34 posted on 06/19/2012 1:22:29 AM PDT by golux
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To: PrairieLady2

I guess I will have to start paying attention to it more.
It definitely was unusual.
I have seen what some think are UFO’s on the horizon but the fact is that stars on the horizon look like they are rotating and changing colors. That is a trick of the atmosphere and light bouncing off various layers of the atmosphere.

This was definitely not changing colors, just bouncing around.

please keep in touch. I’ll take a look again tomorrow night.

I can spot Serias, Mars Jupiter and the Pleiades with no problem whatsoever.

You call yourself PrairieLady. Where are you from?


35 posted on 06/19/2012 1:30:15 AM PDT by jongaltsr
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To: golux

Right - You are “F**King right on.....

There are to many things that are being caught on film by professional and amateurs alike.

I know balloons when I see them and I know things that are not describable as anything more than UFO’s.

I have busted one (helped) Flying saucer film. Some idiot had a whole bunch of palm trees and these three flying saucers flying over.
(problem#1 ALL the palm trees were EXACTLY the same)
(problem#2 flying saucers would not tilt like a human aircraft. They would move any and all directions while remaining horizontal or in a fixed position).


36 posted on 06/19/2012 1:42:28 AM PDT by jongaltsr
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To: djf
You were about seventeen? Puhleeze!
37 posted on 06/19/2012 1:47:13 AM PDT by Misterioso (It is futile to fight against, if one does not know what one is fighting for. - Ayn Rand)
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I saw something - coming over the Horizon. It was horrible, it smelled bad. Everything it touched was corrupted. People who touched it became Zombies - illogical and without morals.

It bleated sounds like it was friendly and like it would be good for the world. But everything that touched it went bad.

It was the Liberal/Progressive Hoard. Aiiieeee!

38 posted on 06/19/2012 2:18:25 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: djf
In the middle of the night, 2 or 3 AM, I abruptly woke up and immediately looked out the window. Don’t know why.

Far above, in the sky there was this thing.

Do you, or did you, have night paralysis?

I haven't had a night paralysis attack for a few years, but used to frequently get them when I was a kid. They would often come with very vivid hallucinations, usually of the room I was in (my eyes were closed, but I "saw" it anyway). But sometimes, something really frightening would appear. Vivid hallucinations are not uncommon in those afflicted by night paralysis.

39 posted on 06/19/2012 2:33:49 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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When I was in Meteorology doing Shuttle and ELV support we would release a bunch of these Jimspheres, http://www.ehartwell.com/afj/Jimsphere

They would often get caught in the Jet stream and I was told that it was possible for them to stay up in the atmosphere for weeks since they were made of aluminized mylar and because of their design would eventually float at around 55k feet.


40 posted on 06/19/2012 2:52:06 AM PDT by The Working Man
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"As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their hearts desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

--H.L. Mencken, The Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920


41 posted on 06/19/2012 3:12:50 AM PDT by Viking2002
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To: The Working Man

42 posted on 06/19/2012 3:14:38 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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My sister, I, and some friends saw so many definite UFOs when teenagers that I remember once spotting one and my sister said something to the effect of "so what, who cares". She had become bored by them. We use to flash our car lights at them to get their attention and try to communicate with them. If I remember right, as it has been many years ago, they also seemed to flash lights back at us as if to acknowledge seeing out attempts at communicating with them. They moved backwards, and forwards and stood still, could fly and disappear in a flash and apparently turn off their lights and seem to simply disappear. They fairly often were in groups and also often seemed to become one from several, linking up with each other, or coming off from another, so as to appear like one becoming two.

They even came close, and were amazing to look at. One, my sister and friend saw right over them, was like looking up into a faceted huge crystal. They thought it might swallow them up, but it didn't do anything to them. The one that I saw close was a huge triangle with colored lights going through tubes and lighting up globes at each tip. I ran after it, clapping my hands to try to get it to notice me. I actually thought it would be cool to board it. It apparently noticed me, and though it was hovering, it suddenly took off. I watched it fly faster than I could imagine and disappeared in the distance in just a flash of time, much, much faster than anything known that man had invented. It than came back, as if to take another look, and then left again. I think, maybe, it was taken back at the little, she person actually running towards it, through the corn field, trying to get it's attention.

I think that they were the ships of demons and possibly at times, angels. I was saved when I was 19. For some reason, God allowed us to view the ships of demons and angels, likely in some sort of way, contesting over our souls. He wanted us to see them, or we would not have. I think, if we had not seen them, I being such a skeptic, probably would not believe that there were such things.

I was maybe 18 when I never saw one again, unto this time.

43 posted on 06/19/2012 3:14:50 AM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: Quix

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44 posted on 06/19/2012 3:52:09 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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45 posted on 06/19/2012 3:59:52 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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I know exactly what it was. It was a UFO.

Unidentified Flying Object

46 posted on 06/19/2012 4:14:20 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: jongaltsr

Swamp gas?


47 posted on 06/19/2012 4:35:14 AM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil)
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To: Bratch

Okay, I’ve tried. Who are those two babes?


48 posted on 06/19/2012 4:35:44 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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Cyb and Patricia Barnstable from the short lived 1977 tv scifi spoof series Quark. They played Betty and Betty who were always arguing who was the clone of the other.


49 posted on 06/19/2012 4:46:47 AM PDT by xp38
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Thanks


50 posted on 06/19/2012 5:01:37 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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