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Sexism played role in Penn St. horror
Fox Sports ^ | July 13, 2012 | Jason Whitlock

Posted on 07/13/2012 5:39:51 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty

They want us to believe Joe Paterno and his title-heavy minions — university president Graham Spanier, athletic director Tim Curley and senior vice president Gary Schultz — didn’t fully grasp the depravity of Jerry Sandusky’s perversion.

They, Paterno’s remaining apologists, want us to believe JoePa’s and Penn State’s sin had more to do with naivete than vanity.

They’re delusional and think we’re stupid.

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There is a lot of truth in this, IMHO.
1 posted on 07/13/2012 5:40:00 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

The degradation of our culture is to blame...cultures don’t un-degrade at the ballot box. They are sometimes reborn after the cataclysm.


2 posted on 07/13/2012 5:43:10 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
Joe Pervtorno spent decades sitting on a high horse, while degrading good men like Jackie Sherrill, an honorable man who was always a decent and forthright man. Now Jackie Sherrill will go down in history as a good and decent force who was sadly unable to hold back the depredations of Pervtorno and his band of boy molesters.

Heck, compared to Paterno, Barry Switzers gun-runners of the 1980's Oklahoma teams seem pure and pristine.

3 posted on 07/13/2012 5:47:52 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama doesnÂ’t have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
One of the lessons to be taken from this Penn State mess is that universities need to empower women in their athletic departments. Strong women. Women like Pat Summitt. Women who aren’t afraid to publicly dislike Geno Auriemma. Women who make men uncomfortable.

It may certainly be as you say, TwelveOfTwenty, there is a lot of truth in this. I await my fellow (fellowette?) FReepers' reactions.

4 posted on 07/13/2012 5:53:00 PM PDT by workerbee (June 28, 2012 -- 9/11 From Within)
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To: MuttTheHoople

5 posted on 07/13/2012 5:54:15 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

It was clearly the fault of external genitalia. If only there were some ovaries around. All men hide pedophiles of course.


6 posted on 07/13/2012 5:55:51 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

JoPa was one of the finest, most decent men that I have ever met.
Like the Catholic Church that he is part of, he has become a target of Liberal trash ire, and the MSM has piled on.

Unfortunately, many Freepers here with zero understanding of matters other than what the MSM hand feeds them are little different that the Liberal trash DU types that abound in society today...


7 posted on 07/13/2012 6:03:39 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: workerbee; TwelveOfTwenty
One of the lessons to be taken from this Penn State mess is that universities need to empower women in their athletic departments. Strong women. Women like Pat Summitt. Women who aren’t afraid to publicly dislike Geno Auriemma. Women who make men uncomfortable.

It's not that they need to empower women, they need to get rid of the homosexual pedophiles. You think a lesbian athletic director would have been more likely to expose wrongdoing? She would have been part of the coverup team.

8 posted on 07/13/2012 6:05:32 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
I don't know. I'd like to think women are more likely to protect the kids and blow the whistle on bad guys --- but I've lived long enough to see women line up their own children for abuse by their husband or boyfriend.

I caught a whiff of it once when I was sidewalk-counseling outside of an abortion place in Oakland, CA and discovered women pimping out their own barely-adolescent middle-school-age daughters to service random men sexually for money.

I could hardly grasp the realty of it at the time. My mind recoiled from it. Utterly reprehensible, utterly repulsive. But in so many abuse cases which happen within a household, the grown woman on site knows full well.

It "makes sense" to me that a woman would have a child-protective instinct. It seems to be so in the animal world. But corruption among humans exceeds all bounds.

9 posted on 07/13/2012 6:08:28 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
I would have beaten that man silly if i walked into the shower at the time of the rape. Then I would have talked to every and all media outlets.

Witlock assumes wrongly that because I have penis I would not/could not be outraged. He is a sexist pig.

10 posted on 07/13/2012 6:11:25 PM PDT by deadrock
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I caught a whiff of it once when I was sidewalk-counseling outside of an abortion place in Oakland, CA and discovered women pimping out their own barely-adolescent middle-school-age daughters to service random men sexually for money.

Point taken, but I would have also noticed with disgust the men paying to be serviced by these middle-school-age girls.

11 posted on 07/13/2012 6:12:31 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (With choices like Palin, Cain, and Bachmann, what could go wrong? Now we know.)
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To: PapaBear3625; workerbee
It's not that they need to empower women, they need to get rid of the homosexual pedophiles.

Many were in a position to get rid of this pedophile. No one did.

12 posted on 07/13/2012 6:12:39 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (With choices like Palin, Cain, and Bachmann, what could go wrong? Now we know.)
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To: DEADROCK
Witlock assumes wrongly that because I have penis I would not/could not be outraged.

Whitlock also said "And as it relates to Jerry Sandusky, it certainly does not mean that most men would act in the same cowardly and immoral way as Penn State’s Four Horsemen."

13 posted on 07/13/2012 6:15:54 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (With choices like Palin, Cain, and Bachmann, what could go wrong? Now we know.)
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To: PapaBear3625

The author’s point is that the “they” you speak of did NOT get rid of the homo pedophile. “They” let it all slide, without a hypothetical lesbian in sight.


14 posted on 07/13/2012 6:17:36 PM PDT by workerbee (June 28, 2012 -- 9/11 From Within)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

Just what we need, women hanging around the locker room of college-aged male athletes. What could go wrong there?


15 posted on 07/13/2012 6:20:24 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator

Certainly no less than went wrong when barely pubescent boys hung around them, yes?


16 posted on 07/13/2012 6:24:38 PM PDT by workerbee (June 28, 2012 -- 9/11 From Within)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

for later


17 posted on 07/13/2012 6:24:42 PM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: EEGator

The author isn’t suggesting that. What he suggests is that women in power and in a position to put a stop to this likely would have, unlike the men who did nothing.


18 posted on 07/13/2012 6:27:33 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (With choices like Palin, Cain, and Bachmann, what could go wrong? Now we know.)
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To: workerbee

In this instance, of course what happened was worse. I’m speaking in generalities, and I think you knew that.


19 posted on 07/13/2012 6:31:34 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

What makes you think a man would go to her in the first place?


20 posted on 07/13/2012 6:32:39 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

Rename the place State Penn


21 posted on 07/13/2012 6:33:52 PM PDT by polkajello (Romney: The Lesser of Two Weasels)
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To: EEGator
What makes you think a man would go to her in the first place?

Obviously, she would have to find out about it to take action. The point is, the men who knew about it didn't take action. Apart from covering it up, that is.

22 posted on 07/13/2012 6:38:35 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (With choices like Palin, Cain, and Bachmann, what could go wrong? Now we know.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

I’m curious how many reporters covering the program knew about Sandusky (or at least had reasonable suspicions) and let it go to protect their access and their phony-baloney jobs. Don’t get me wrong. Sandusky is a scumbag. The guys on the staff who let him stay there deserve all the abuse they’re getting (up to and including Paterno). But I find it really hard to believe that all the boys on the beat had no clue about what was going on until the grand-jury report dropped.


23 posted on 07/13/2012 6:40:48 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

I think Whitlock has gone off on a tangent on this one. The overwhelming motive that worked against the four higher ups handing the Sandusky crimes as they should have was the Penn State football culture, and a desire to not reveal that such a sordid and disgusting situation could exist within that glorified culture. They hoped they could sweep it under the carpet and that it would stay there.

Plus, the molester was an esteemed colleague who’d made great contributions to PS football success. They probably had great difficulty admitting he was what the evidence said he was. Again, easier to sweep it under the carpet and hope it stayed there.

The idea that the sexual proclivities of men somehow influenced their action, or inaction when dealing with a child molester makes no sense. I don’t think most men have allowed their sexual nature to blind them to the abuse of children by other adults.


24 posted on 07/13/2012 6:41:22 PM PDT by Will88
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To: RichInOC
But I find it really hard to believe that all the boys on the beat had no clue about what was going on until the grand-jury report dropped.

That's a good point. This cesspool just got a lot smellier.

25 posted on 07/13/2012 6:43:34 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (With choices like Palin, Cain, and Bachmann, what could go wrong? Now we know.)
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To: Will88
Whitlock isn't implying the men involved were homosexuals. He's talking about the "old boy network" -- IOW, the things you mentioned: the football culture, men's embarrassment that something like homo pedophilia exists within that culture, esteemed colleague, etc.

All Whitlock is saying is that, perhaps, had their been women involved somewhere along the line, all this "old boy" crap wouldn't have enabled these crimes as long as they did.

26 posted on 07/13/2012 6:48:05 PM PDT by workerbee (June 28, 2012 -- 9/11 From Within)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

One particaular woman school principal kept silent on a child molester who was caught with her full knoweledge instead of reporting him to police, that is, until another student is molested some time later. The woman [principal] turned herself “in” to authorities, after acknowledging there was a warrant out for her arrest-— plastered all over the news-—for not reporting to police what she knew of the first alleged molestation. So it seems woman can be just as evil for letting a pervert teach while cruising the halls for his next victim[s].


27 posted on 07/13/2012 6:51:24 PM PDT by Joshua Marcus
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To: bill1952

Paterno enabled the rape of dozens of children. His corpse should be dug up, set on fire, and the remains fed to wild dogs. Every last vestige of his “accomplishments” should be wiped from the history books.


28 posted on 07/13/2012 6:52:36 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is, it is the only answer.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
There were a LOT of people at Penn State who knew...or at least suspected Sandusky was a creep.

...just do a search on "Sandusky ice cream cone"......this kind of shiite don't just happen because someone thought it may be cute.

29 posted on 07/13/2012 6:53:59 PM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Elections have consequences....)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

One particaular woman school principal kept silent on a child molester who was caught with her full knoweledge instead of reporting him to police, that is, until another student is molested some time later. The woman [principal] turned herself “in” to authorities, after acknowledging there was a warrant out for her arrest-— plastered all over the news-—for not reporting to police what she knew of the first alleged molestation. So it seems woman can be just as evil for letting a pervert teach while cruising the halls for his next victim[s].


30 posted on 07/13/2012 6:54:26 PM PDT by Joshua Marcus
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To: Joshua Marcus

My computer is running weird and posted twice.


31 posted on 07/13/2012 6:56:17 PM PDT by Joshua Marcus
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To: workerbee
What was needed was an ethical and moral individual, of either sex.
I've known women who flatly refused to act when their own minor daughters told them their husbands were raping them.

I've also known men who would not tolerate any threat of sexual molestation directed at a child, or for that matter an adult, by anyone.

Sexism comes in many forms. The author of this piece exhibited one of them. Claiming that men are innately sexually deviant, and women are morally superior is “sexism”.

32 posted on 07/13/2012 7:04:01 PM PDT by sarasmom ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xZsFe6dM3EY)
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To: Joshua Marcus

“So it seems woman can be just as evil for letting a pervert teach while cruising the halls for his next victim[s].”

ABSOLUTELY, YES. It is absurd to think those who did nothing did so because they were men. Imagine someone saying, “they let it slide because they were Mexicans”. Women have been known to let this sort of crime go unreported for reasons of power, or for boyfriends or husbands: There have even been cases where women aid and abet in sexual crimes (even some in which women allowed a man to molest their own child).


33 posted on 07/13/2012 7:04:01 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: bill1952
“Unfortunately, many Freepers here with zero understanding of matters other than what the MSM hand feeds them are little different that the Liberal trash DU types that abound in society today...”

I have complete understanding of the matter. I read the grand jury testimony and the FBI along with numerous other reports and information. JoPa was not a decent man and far from the finest. He allowed this to go on with obvious knowledge that there was serious wrong being perpetrated on children but his football program and legacy were more important. I personally think he was a man that allowed evil into his midst and was blinded by pride and power. That will never meet my definition of someone I would even call a man.

34 posted on 07/13/2012 7:04:53 PM PDT by mrsloungitude ( USMC Mom)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

Everyone is reaching for answers, but I don’t think “women in leadership” is the answer we are looking for.

Honestly acknowledging that those of the homosexual persuasion molest at ten times the rate of non-homos would be a great start, and policies reflecting this TRUTH should be in force. Like, homosexual people should not be in positions of trust with boys. Politically incorrect, too bad. I know some homos aren’t into boys. But the statistics don’t lie.

Then the long, hard slog of restoring the normative two-parent family needs to get underway. From gutting welfare to changing societal norms to obscenity law enforcement to an end to no-fault divorce to strong legal disincentives for adultery and child abandonment, on and on. . .

“charities” like “Second Mile” and “Big Brothers” (which were sued today for similar behavior) exist because there ARE NO FATHERS IN THE HOME. And they are conduits for sexual predators. Sometimes the intentions are good, but children need their FATHER. and our laws and culture largely marginalize and ignore that pivotal FACT of human nature.

The best way to protect kids, especially boys, from sexual abuse, is for them to have a committed and loving dad right there in their homes the entire time they grow up. While that can’t be forced, it can be strongly encouraged and single motherhood can be strongly discouraged. We just don’t have the worldview to accept it, nor the strength of will to insist upon it. Myself I will continue to advocate.


35 posted on 07/13/2012 7:05:05 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Joshua Marcus

“My computer is running weird and posted twice.”

I think this is on the FR end. I have had it happen here on numerous occasions but nowhere else lately.


36 posted on 07/13/2012 7:06:03 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: bill1952
I'd be careful with that pro-Pedo-State crap, if I were you.

One troll has been zotted already today.

Penn Sate - vanity

 

37 posted on 07/13/2012 7:06:51 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: RichInOC

I’m curious how many reporters covering the program knew about Sandusky....

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Of course they knew. And not just the press. The entire NCAA knew. Why else has Sandusky remained in limbo since 1999? When he could have been the head coach at any Division I school of his choice?


38 posted on 07/13/2012 7:12:34 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: sarasmom
Thank you, very well said.

Claiming that men are innately sexually deviant, and women are morally superior is “sexism”.

I reiterate, I don't think this is Whitlock's point, and the headline is misguided. His emphasis is that the old-boy network -- the "football culture" that was so entrenched at Penn St -- blinded far too many people in allowing these heinous crimes to continue for far too long. In those circumstance, it's perfectly arguable to suggest that a female "with authority" would have been a barrier to that type of blindness.

39 posted on 07/13/2012 7:13:26 PM PDT by workerbee (June 28, 2012 -- 9/11 From Within)
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To: Responsibility2nd

The janitor knew.

Who all flew in for the orgies? Talk about alumni clubs!


40 posted on 07/13/2012 7:14:59 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: workerbee
Whitlock isn't implying the men involved were homosexuals.

Nothing I said suggested he was implying that. But he did say:

Only a group of men could find Sandusky’s mental illness more sympathetic than the victims’ suffering.

and

We think with the wrong head.

I'm afraid Whitlock is projecting with those statements. Most normal men will not be more sympathetic with a molester than with a child victim. And most men will not "think with the wrong head" when it comes to adults molesting children.

41 posted on 07/13/2012 7:17:04 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88
Then how would you explain what happenened? Were Paterno & Co. "normal" men? If not, what? Homosexual pedophiles? No.... then, what's left? Old-boy, football culture blindness...? That's my take.

It's not altogether unreasonable to see how a female, in the midst of all that, could have prevented years of tragedy. Is it?

If what ends up is lots of "female meddling" in male collegiate sports, don't blame the women. It was all the "normal" men who kept giving this crap a pass.

42 posted on 07/13/2012 7:24:17 PM PDT by workerbee (June 28, 2012 -- 9/11 From Within)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I have to agree with you...also, what about Mrs. Sandusky? You can’t tell me that she knew nothing about what her husband was doing. Talk about complete and utter moral failures all across the board.


43 posted on 07/13/2012 7:30:02 PM PDT by InspectorGadget
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To: bill1952

Paterno, and people who defend him, are/were pure unmitigated trash.


44 posted on 07/13/2012 7:30:29 PM PDT by Lucas McCain
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To: Will88
I'm afraid Whitlock is projecting with those statements. Most normal men will not be more sympathetic with a molester than with a child victim. And most men will not "think with the wrong head" when it comes to adults molesting children.

Whether you agree or not with his conclusions, the facts are that of all of the men who knew about it, NONE did anything about it. What ever the reason was, whether it was protecting the school's image, sympathy, or anything else, all of these men decided it was more important than the victims.

It's easy to say "there is no way I would have let this happen". I'm sure that any of these men, if asked beforehand what they would have done, would have said that they would have reported it or in some way tried to put a stop to it. That they didn't and why is worth discussing, even if you don't agree with this writer's conclusions.

45 posted on 07/13/2012 7:32:49 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (With choices like Palin, Cain, and Bachmann, what could go wrong? Now we know.)
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To: bill1952

If that scumbag JoPa was the most decent man you ever met, I feel sorry for you. I’m lucky, most of the people I have met in life are way better people than the pedophilia enabling JoPa.


46 posted on 07/13/2012 7:44:35 PM PDT by gusty
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To: Mrs. Don-o
This is a load...

The rot started at the top. Take a look at Spanier's doctoral dissertation, or the recent "C*&tfest" at Happy Valley.

Not saying JoePa was a participant, but there's been a precipitous moral decline there for a while.
47 posted on 07/13/2012 7:48:34 PM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

First, this guy has a long history of being a diversity racist, in my opinoin. So his solution is to insert the morally superior sex - women - into leadership to solve the problem.

He has not read all the stories about female perverts hiting on underage boys and girls in the public schools? Female perverts are a dime a dozen as are male perverts.

The answer is to educate the targets - children and their parents about perverts preying upon them and how to handle them.


48 posted on 07/13/2012 7:55:28 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: bill1952

Oh like you knew his inner self and everything he was capable of.
/disgust


49 posted on 07/13/2012 7:58:45 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (government health officials seem to have the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
Whether you agree or not with his conclusions, the facts are that of all of the men who knew about it, NONE did anything about it.

So? Do you think I said in anything I wrote that they did do anything about it?

You are posting comments about things that were never said and that have little to do with anything I've posted here.

And Whitlock's conclusions are nonsense, or maybe you think most men would be more sympathetic with a male child molester than with the victims, or that men who were aware of such criminal behavior would "think with the wrong head" when considering an adult male who had molested male children.

50 posted on 07/13/2012 8:01:23 PM PDT by Will88
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