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Cold Fusion: Progress Report
Oil Price.com ^ | Mon, 09 July 2012 21:57 | By Brian Westenhaus

Posted on 07/14/2012 5:44:08 PM PDT by Kevmo

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To: Kevmo
A LENR start is dramatic and unmistakable when it occurs – much more heat is released than any conceivable chemical process could generate.

Unless you use 0.196 M hydrogen peroxide. Then you have plenty of chemical heat.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2905533/posts?page=72#72

41 posted on 07/15/2012 6:53:24 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
"OMG, It is a government conspiracy to keep this hidden!!!

Not government. A bunch of physics professors who are already sucking on the government tit. To the tune of $250 Billion.

Those physics professors are smart people who read stories like this about elderly scientists making cold fusion claims they can't back up. They don't want to see money wasted on cranks and a pathological science. It's not a conspiracy. It's sound judgement.

42 posted on 07/15/2012 7:41:29 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
A LENR start is dramatic and unmistakable when it occurs – much more heat is released than any conceivable chemical process could generate.

Maybe if the cold fusion cranks repeat it enough times then it will be true.

43 posted on 07/15/2012 7:48:03 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

So, then all the 14,700 times that LENR has been replicated, it was due to H202 at the input?

If we discard all the times it’s been proven to be used as the input, how many LENR experiments have been replicated? Feel free to prove your assertions.


44 posted on 07/15/2012 1:12:01 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: factoryrat
It’s obviously a chemical reaction, because if it was truly a fusion reaction, the test setup would have vaporized itself, and everything around it. Even if D2 atoms were fusing in a nickel-palladium matrix, the energy resulting would be tremendous.

Not necessarily. You're confusing the energy per mole with the rate of reaction. If the reaction runs slowly enough, with only an infinitesimal percentage of the atoms fusing per unit time, then you can have useful energy without blowing up your setup.

That said, I'm still waiting for a LENR demonstration of significant duration ( > 24 hours, minimum, week preferable), done at an independent testing facility.

45 posted on 07/15/2012 1:21:22 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Kevmo
So, then all the 14,700 times that LENR has been replicated, it was due to H202 at the input?

Just as a reminder, your 14,700 number comes from an obscure Chinese journal and as far as I know there's been no attempt to determine the quality of any of those experiments, which is much more important than quantity.

And remember that when you post in the open, you post to everybody.

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46 posted on 07/15/2012 2:03:47 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo
So, then all the 14,700 times that LENR has been replicated, it was due to H202 at the input?

Just as a reminder, your 14,700 number comes from an obscure Chinese journal and as far as I know there's been no attempt to determine the quality of any of those experiments, which is much more important than quantity.

And remember that when you post in the open, you post to everybody.

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47 posted on 07/15/2012 2:04:12 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo
So, then all the 14,700 times that LENR has been replicated, it was due to H202 at the input?

Post the list of all 14,700 and I'll let you know.

48 posted on 07/15/2012 4:43:00 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Moonman62

Please stop stalking me.


49 posted on 07/15/2012 6:59:47 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

No you won’t. Even if I went to all that trouble, you’d just deliver crickets, you wanker.


50 posted on 07/15/2012 7:06:17 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Kevmo
Even if I went to all that trouble, you’d just deliver crickets, you wanker.

Name just one experiment out of the 14,700.

51 posted on 07/15/2012 7:45:54 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo

You won’t even go to the trouble of providing the source of the 14,700 claim.


52 posted on 07/15/2012 7:49:27 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Kevmo
The Bow and Arrow were exceedingly disruptive. We have difficulty understanding anything at all about societies before they had that technology ~ the closest we come to it is in the Americas. They got the bow and arrow about 800 AD ~ and it spread to every part of both continents in a few years.

LENR could do the same thing ~ make everything that passed before so irrelevant that in a couple of centuries no one will understand the past.

53 posted on 07/15/2012 8:11:51 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: fuente

Newton actually got it wrong ~ in the local system the error is not enough to worry about for most things, but you branch out to considering things in the local group, you have to reference Einstein and others since Newton.


54 posted on 07/15/2012 8:14:47 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Moonman62
LENR aficionados are wasting their own money. The professors are wasting my money. I was but a wee chil' back when they told me we'd have fusion in 30 years.

Well, that deadline passed ~ now they're into a scam aren't they?

55 posted on 07/15/2012 8:16:50 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: PapaBear3625

Since your basic high energy on line storage battery/capacitor system holds about 5.5 hours of juice, you really want to run any test with any equipment that looks kind of like those high energy devices for a much longer time than 5.5 hours.


56 posted on 07/15/2012 8:19:33 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
The professors are wasting my money.

Like George Miley?

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57 posted on 07/15/2012 8:41:30 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
He's in illinois. i mean more like the guys at Sandia. just screwing around doing nothing and setting the date of final take off further and further down the road.

How many decades do we have to carry these guys before somebody gets wise.

58 posted on 07/15/2012 8:59:35 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Moonman62

Please stop stalking me.


59 posted on 07/15/2012 9:07:37 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Yes, 14700 times. Jerks like you keep coming up with bowlsheet arguments that draw from clasic fallacies, over and over and over. Is that an example of your ability to reason critically? Scientifically? You’re totally full of bowl sheet.

https://springerlink3.metapress.com/content/8k5n17605m135n22/resource-secured/?target=fulltext.pdf&sid=xwvgza45j4sqpe3wceul4dv2&sh=www.springerlink.com

Jing-tang He
• Nuclear fusion inside condense matters
• Frontiers of Physics in China
Volume 2, Number 1, 96-102, DOI: 10.1007/s11467-007-0005-8
This article describes in detail the nuclear fusion inside condense matters—the Fleischmann-Pons effect, the reproducibility of cold fusions, self-consistency of cold fusions and the possible applications

http://www.boliven.com/publication/10.1007~s11467-007-0005-8?q=(%22David%20J.%20Nagel%22)


60 posted on 07/15/2012 9:19:01 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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