Skip to comments.Why are we getting an invasive census form right NOW?? (vanity)
Posted on 07/26/2012 2:15:58 PM PDT by Marie
Why are we getting a long-form census right NOW?? I filled out a census form two years ago.
This thing is incredible! It's 28 pages long. It's asking some pretty invasive questions (how much my husband earns, to describe his duties at work, what time he leaves for work, how many times we've been married).
The income section is as detailed as a tax return! If I used these figures, I could redo last year's tax return - and that is no exaggeration! Heck, I'd have to pull out last year's tax return to answer these questions.
And why am I getting it now?? The census is long over.
It's called the "American Community Survey" and I'm being told by the insert that I have to answer these questions by law.
There is no friggin' way I'm giving out some of this personal information!
Claim you never got it, if they question you.
Shred it, and play dumb.
I’d shred it.
Don’t answer it. The constitutional requirement is every ten years.
Sounds like the phone “survey” I got a few weeks ago. Asked my date of birth 3 times. I refused to answer. Must have been more than 50 questions about my deeply held beliefs concluding with, “And just for verification purposes, is this (my name) that I am speaking to?” I should have hung up after about the third question!
Ya.. there is a law with crazy fines...
The Census currently has no enforcement division..
The Census is bound by law that says they CAN NOT turn personal information over to another department.
Thus.. They have no thugs.. and they can’t tell the thugs at the just us department about you.
So eff um.
I’ve tossed the 5 or 6 of them I have got over the years. If they have a good phone number for you expect them to call.
You don’t really expect all those Census Department employees to just go home for nine years between Censii, do you?
Shred it and if questioned say that it looked like an identity theft scam - which it could be.
Shred, shrivel and shut up! The three “S’s” of Socialist requirement paperwork. (Don’t know the meaning of “shrivel”, but I guess it’s sort of like “wad it up”.)
Horrible. Randomly issued.
U.S. Census Bureau: FAQs
Do I have to respond to the American Community Survey / Puerto Rico Community Survey? Yes. Respondents are required to answer all questions on the American Community Survey (ACS) to the best of their ability. Response to this and other Census surveys is required by law (Section 221 of Title 13, Chapter 7, United States Code). This chapter also contains information regarding offenses and possible penalties. According to Section 221, persons who do not respond shall be fined not more than $100. Title 18 U.S.C. Section 3571 and Section 3559, in effect amends Title 13 U.S.C. Section 221 by changing the fine for anyone over 18 years old who refuses or willfully neglects to complete the questionnaire or answer questions posed by census takers from a fine of "not more than $100" to "not more than $5,000."
Just found this -
I looked it up and the website says that it’s for local communities to do their planning. thus, they intend to give the information out to local governments.
I don’t want some random stranger to know what time my husband leaves for work, how much money we have, etc.
Oh, this page is rich!
It says that private businesses use this information for local planning!
So there’s ZERO confidentiality with this form.
I got one of those back in 2010, after I’d filled out and sent in the short 10 year form I think the Census Bureau sends them out every two years to “fill in the gaps” in the main 10 year census.
I answered the generic type questions on page one and sent it back. I got it back with a letter threatening me, etc. I wrote across the letter, “You have the info I’m willing to give you. I’m done with this now.” Never heard another word.
Not only do they give the info to cities. They SELL it!
But I said “personal information”
IE your name, address and phone number.
If I call them up and buy information form them I don’t get names and addresses. I get info about an area.
You are required by law to answer it. However I have read many times that they will not prosecute if you quietly ignore it and any subsequent letters, and quietly agree to comply whenever they visit in person. Your choices include (1) take 12 hours of your life to give them a bunch of accurate information that is none of their business but might help you, (2) take several hours of your life to give them truthful but not helpful answers, (3) completely ignore this without making a fuss, or (4) some other option.
Truthful but not helpful: make it a game of giving the least accurate answer that can by some logic be justified as responsive to the exact words of the question. As one example, if they want to know how many bathrooms have running water, the answer is “zero” because all the taps are turned off. No, you do not have a mortgage on THIS property because on the day you filled out the survey it was kept in your safe deposit box, your desk at the office, etc. Your race is HUMAN. The monthly condo fee? That’s what you pay times the total number of condos in the building, since you didn’t know they were only asking for your share of that fee. Your home would sell for $20,000 (a true statement, it would sell very quickly at that price). Your most important job activities are following the orders of your employer. It can be a lot of fun, but that’s just my thoughts.
That’s the “long form” census, which is done on a rolling basis of selected citizens every year instead of everyone every ten years. Supposed to be cheaper.
It is mandatory, but no one ever has been prosecuted, probably because the invasive long form would never survive court scrutiny.
Pitch it, you won’t be struck by lightening.
Sadly the scotus has ruled that what the census does not violate the 4th nor 1st amendment.
That’s a good site. Thanks for posting.
If you’re really bored, you could compose the answers from words cut from magazine and newpaper articles and ads, taped to the form so it looks like a ransom note.
Well, we just moved in. As I see it, it was intended for the last resident.
Show me the law! Throw it out.....
Well, I guess I can take comfort that I’m not the only one who was thrown off my this! lol!
I got a version of this from the Commerce Dept. several years ago. When I ignored it I got the usual threatening letter demanding I fill it out.
To have answered all of the questions truthfully would’ve taken my accounting department a day or two and my attorney a couple of hours to explain some of the questions.
So, what to do?
I took a very large Magic Marker, with a very wide tip, and finished the questioneer in less than 10 minutes. I guessed at every answer or flat made answers up. I used broad-stroke writing. The Magic Marker bled through several pages as to make them virtually illegible. In short, the government document was a total mess.
Mailed it off and never heard from them again.
All census employees from regional manager on down are 'temps'. The field workers are employed about three to maybe six months and make a tad above minimum wage. There is preferential hiring for minorities, women, disabled, and veterans. Most field workers get three days of training by the people hired three days before they came on board. I would call it the "Phoenix" personnel system, where every ten years the staff rises from the ashes of the previous staff (or maybe a plague of ten year locusts?).
The management levels are all politically connected, work until the census is officially wrapped up, and get serious salary for basically showing up. Most were not management in their "real" jobs.
It’s the survey form that they send out for the nine years in between the actual censuses to keep a bunch of marginal in-laws employed. Just make up a bunch of answers, make sure that you mark and then erase or try to correct the answers, make sure they don’t agree and make a copy of it because they will call. When they call, have your cheat sheet copy available. If you are in top form, you can make the phone call last 2 - 3 hours if you have personal emergencies that force you to put them on hold. Constantly remind them to speak up and have them repeat each question a couple of times. Offer multiple answers and suggest that they pick the one that fits their requirement. They finally hung up on me when I was going to put them on hold again to give the dog her medications.
So you can treat it like a farmer does a mountain lion (Shoot, Shovel, Shut up) or you could answer for the previous resident to the best of your ability (chicanery abounds!)
Your choice. Better yet, if you have young children (under 10), let THEM fill it out.
Name, address, age, period!
I would never, ever tell them how much I make, when I come home, what time I go to sleep or take a shower. None of their business!
The following is from a FR thread during a previous census, and it was not written by me. I saved a printed copy of it for any future problems with the Census.
You can mail this letter with the census form, or present it to a census taker at your door, or read it over the phone.
“I hearby affirm that the provisions of Title 13 “requiring” me to disclose my race,personal finacial data, birthdate, or any other personal private information to the Bureau of the Census, an agency of the United States government, constitutes an unreasonable, unwarranted search of my person, house, papers and/or effects, and is a governmental invasion of the sanctity of my home and the privacies of life. As such,these provisions violate the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and are thus wholly void and I am not bound to obey them.
I have completed only those sections of the Census form pertaining to the Constitutionally mandated enumeration, as follows:
1)The actual number of people living at the address printed on this form, excluding untaxed Native Americans.
2)The age of each person in accordance with U.S.Constitutional Amendment XIV, Section 2.
3)The sex of each person, in accordance with U.S. Constitutional Amendment XIV, Section 2.
I have thus fulfilled my obligation to the attainment of the actual enumeration of the populace of the United States.
Any fine or other sanction that is levied by any office or organization stemming from the unconstitutional provisions of Title 13 in connection with my response to this or any other Census related questioning, will be challenged in a court of law.”
The last sentence states “or any other Census related questioning.” This letter should apply to the form you received as well as the regular Census.
I would never fill it out falsely, the fed gets angry about that regardless of the idiocy of the form in question. But that which you throw out without acknowledging they can never prove you got.
I think that the answer to you question of why you received the “census” form is on your home page. You are a home schooler. The schools are one of the areas that are planned to receive funding cuts under the Obama “sequestration” plan if the budget is not cut and taxes are not raised.
The schools are making a PR effort to point out that reduced enrollment in the public school systems is going to cost tax payers more money. So, you, by being a home schooler, are a target of the ire from the left. The goal is to prove that you are wrong to cost the school district money, by not sending your kids to be indoctrinated by the public school system.
Shred it and just play dumb if anyone asks you about. I don’t think that anyone will ask, though.
The link at post #13 was very helpful and has many comments by people who are being bothered with this same “census”.
I got one about a year ago. I threw it away. I then got a letter in the mail saying “you received a questionaire” and that “it’s required by law to fill it out” and gave me an online alternative.
I threw it away too. Let them arrest me. I’ll put the arrest on YouTube and hire a PR agent to spread this violation of my constitutional rights all over TV and talk radio.
FU government tyrants.
I choose (4) some other option. I’ll answer in person while cleaning my gun(s).
I also threw away the 2010 long form census I received. Got a knock on the door from a “temp” and he and I had a great time trashing the government. He did his “job” and asked the short form questions and then sat down with me over a beer while we talked about tyranny.
Can’t blame him, he was unemployed and just need the job.
Of course, now that I’ve admitted that, according to JOAT the NSA is coming after me now.
“(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, no person shall be compelled to disclose information relative to his religious beliefs or to membership in a religious body.”
Reminds me when they were coming around door to door for the census. I saw them coming up onto my porch before they were able to peek into the house. I have this large couch between me and the door where I sit at my computer. I jumped down onto the floor. hahaha
It was hilarious! They knocked and then knocked and then left. I found out later after telling the story to one of my daughters friends that she was the manager of these door to door census takers. She was appalled that I actually jumped down onto the floor. I just laughed at her! Yep, I did that... hahaha
A census lady came out to the house 3 different times looking for other stuff. She finally went away after I gave names,ages and gender of the people living here.
I assumed I’d get fined. Haven't seen a bill ....yet.
I was selected for the Household Survey in 2009. They wanted to know how much money I made AND how I spent it. They wanted bank records, ATM records, cable TV invoices, and everything. I refused to answer the door. They kept coming back. One time the census woman pounded on my door and then went around and pounded on my sliding glass door. I ran outside and told her to GTF out of here. I got a series of letters explaining literaly that they were from the government and they were here to help. Long story short, after a few months they gave up and nothing bad happened to me. I was ready to go to jail but I would not give in. There was no prosecution.
Do you have a big dog? Maybe you can answer the door in the nude. You can do whatever you like in the privacy of your home if you catch my drift. You do not have to make them feel comfortable. Move a port-o-potty next to your front door and use it while they are in the doorway.
Oh, and by the way, all of the letters directed to me were addriessed to “Resident”. They claim that everytning is private and confidential. Yeah, right.
This is a must watch video. Hilarious!
I don’t know why you would be surprised to receive “resident” letters. The census doesn’t track people, it tracks addresses. There’s no “go find where Joe Blow lives now” its, “go see who lives at this address which appears to be residential.”
Being as I am an alien from the planet Zog, I choose to answer any question that I find ‘confusing’ as “I don’t know” or “I don’t recall”. After all, if it was good enough for the Clintons in front of US Congress, who am I to argue?
I make however much gator skins are getting. I come home when the bar closes and usually pass out, uh, fall asleep in my truck and I take shower the first day of Spring whether I need it or not. So, when can I expect that purty gubment lady to make a home visit on this survey?
Burn it. Claim no knowledge of it whatsoever.
Gator skins? Waaaall fancy you! I make what coon and squirrel skins are gittin.