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Recommendations for Concealed Carry (Vanity)
Self | 18 Aug 2012 | Self

Posted on 08/18/2012 6:11:26 PM PDT by JaguarXKE

Vanity. Looking for thoughts/ recommendations on weapon for concealed carry.


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The only gun I own is a WWII Walther P-38 that I inherited from my father. It's a pretty good gun for target shooting, but lately I've been thinking of getting something more suited to self defense and home protection. I'm planning to get a CCW permit and am trying to decide what a good handgun would be for CC and home protection. I'd also like something that would be fun to shoot at the range. A couple a very different guns I've been looking at are a Glock and a S&W Model 60. I know there are some gun aficionados here so wanted to ask for some Freeper recommendations and or thought about the aforementioned guns.
1 posted on 08/18/2012 6:11:40 PM PDT by JaguarXKE
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To: JaguarXKE

http://www.mouseguns.com/PocketAutoComparison.pdf

there are some great ones listed at the above link. Saves tons of time.

I advise a REAL safety (not a trigger safety) for concealed carry. There are several to choose from.


2 posted on 08/18/2012 6:17:14 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: JaguarXKE

Get the gun you are most comfortable wearing and therefore most likely to carry. A gun that’s great on the range but too heavy or bulky to wear all day long is a gun that’s going to end up in your gun safe.


3 posted on 08/18/2012 6:22:37 PM PDT by Flatus I. Maximus (OVERTHROW OBAMA!)
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To: JaguarXKE

I like Glocks and carry them myself (either a Model 30 or a Model 36 depending on time of year—the slimmer 36 is easier to conceal with summer wear), because Glocks fit my hands well and I shoot them well. There are many good brands, and you’ll probably go through a few different ones before you settle on your best choice. I realize that it’s preferable to make the best choice right out of the gate (the damn things are expensive) but it didn’t work that way for me. As I gained experience I made the necessary adjustments.


4 posted on 08/18/2012 6:23:04 PM PDT by hitkicker (The only thing worse than a politician is a child molester)
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To: JaguarXKE

There is a very important question to ask yourself about concealed carry that I found out through experience. The question is; what WILL you carry? I have one gun that I keep in my truck when I cannot carry (at work, Springfield Armory XDm .45), one in an inside the waistband holster when appropriate (Para 1911 and it took some getting used to), and a Ruger LCP when I can’t carry inside the waistband. Frankly, I’m not too happy with any of them and I’m thinking about the new Sprinfield Armory XDs. The LCP is too small and the others too big. The point I’m trying to make is, if you’re going to buy a gun for concealed carry, make sure you’re comfortable carrying it.


5 posted on 08/18/2012 6:23:53 PM PDT by suthener
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To: JaguarXKE
It depends on so much...but here is one that I find comfortable as it fits easily into a pocket...the S&W Airweight .38

100_0145

6 posted on 08/18/2012 6:26:17 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: JaguarXKE

Actually your P-38 should conceal fairly well with a good fitting holster. The grip is not overly large and that is often the part which shows.

I have a Walther PP which fits in my inside jacket pocket without printing on the outside. It is not as quick to get to as a holster but often one has ample time to get to the gun.

Mine is in .32 but most would say get a .380.


7 posted on 08/18/2012 6:26:26 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: JaguarXKE

A good starting point is any gun whose caliber starts in .4


8 posted on 08/18/2012 6:29:36 PM PDT by pingman ("Human history seems logical in afterthought, but a mystery in forethought." (Strauss & Howe))
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To: JaguarXKE

Go to a range that has rentals available. Try several different models and calibers until you find the one that ‘clicks’ with you. Make sure it is something that you can carry all day, every day.

It is a very personal choice, like a spouse. Choose the wrong one and you will be out of money and looking for another one.


9 posted on 08/18/2012 6:30:17 PM PDT by 11Bush
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To: JaguarXKE
Take fit and feel into consideration more so than "cheap ammo." If you have a large, or small, hand make sure it's a comfortable fit and packs well also. Spend the required time firing as many different brands and styles. You truly could be making a life or death purchase so choose wisely.

I spent over a year and tested more than a dozen different combinations till i got the one i liked and that was most practical for me.

Starting a thread a FR, is a great place to start. This place is loaded with brains and talent and will help guide you, but the final decision is yours.

INBN.

10 posted on 08/18/2012 6:31:25 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature ($1.84 - The price of a gallon of gas on Jan. 20th, 2009.)
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To: JaguarXKE
When I shot competitively, I used a tuned-up 1911 and loved it. When I go to the range now, I take my SIG .45 if I'm by myself or a Ruger .22 if I'm with the kids. When I hunted deer with a handgun, I used a .44 Magnum Ruger Blackhawk with a 7 1/2 barrel; not exactly concealable.

My carry gun is an old Colt Detective Special, much like your hypothetical S&W 60. If TSHTF I'd rather have a .45, but in the power vs concealability tradeoff a 1.5-lb .38+P that in a good holster vanishes behind my strong-side hip beats the 3-lb .45 that I left at home.

11 posted on 08/18/2012 6:35:24 PM PDT by Flatus I. Maximus (OVERTHROW OBAMA!)
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To: JaguarXKE

Start packing the pistol you have wherever you can for a few days, even if it is only at your own house and yard, it may help you decide.

You might find that you prefer a tiny, light weight pistol because carrying is a hassle and annoying, or perhaps not.


12 posted on 08/18/2012 6:37:22 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: JaguarXKE

This really is a highly subjective personal preference, but I recommend a Glock 19. Its got a 15 round magazine but its small and concealable. Glocks are accurate, reliable, nearly indestructible, simple to field strip and clean, and reasonably priced. Try one out at your local range.


13 posted on 08/18/2012 6:39:50 PM PDT by Astronaut
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To: JaguarXKE

The guys who suggest you buy what you will actually carry are right.

My choice is the .22 S&W auto.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_785503_-1_757765_757752_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

I have other weapons that I like, and they are great fun, but in general...I don’t carry them. Carry the .22LR loaded with CCI Stingers.


14 posted on 08/18/2012 6:41:12 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: JaguarXKE
Expect that you will go through a *lot* of guns and holsters before you find the right combination that carries comfortably, conceals well on your body and with your normal mode of dress, and yet allows rapid access to your gun.

Oh, and don't carry a valuable antique or a family heirloom. If, God forbid, you ever do have to draw your gun, expect that the cops investigating the "incident" will seize and impound your gun, and if you ever do manage to get it back, it will look like it was stored in the septic tank while in police possession.

15 posted on 08/18/2012 6:43:41 PM PDT by Flatus I. Maximus (OVERTHROW OBAMA!)
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To: JaguarXKE

For the home front, I would suggest a nice S&W Model 10 or 15. There are write-ups on the late Stephen Camp’s site; “Hi-Power and handguns”, about home defense pistols and revolvers.

.38 specials in a four inch barreled revolver do NOT have any noticeable recoil, (I am sensitive to that at times), and they are cheap to obtain ammunition.

** Any ‘self-defense-designed’ ammunition is over-priced!***

For a CCW, the model 60, loaded with semi-wadcutters - NOT plus-p hollowpoints, will do wondrously well, not knock your hand around, and get you back on target, easily.

There are two guys on YOUTUBE that I suggest you watch:

hickok45 and usafmiller

both have a lot of information, and miller shows you what an old model 10 can do.


16 posted on 08/18/2012 6:45:28 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: suthener
I’m not too happy with any of them and I’m thinking about the new Sprinfield Armory XDs.

Is this the XDs you're thinking about? XDS

Says on the side made in Croatia? That's surprising. What is it about the XDs that you like?

17 posted on 08/18/2012 6:46:05 PM PDT by JaguarXKE (If my Fluffy had a puppy, it would look like the puppy Obama ate!)
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To: suthener; JaguarXKE

>>The question is; what WILL you carry?

That is the primary concern. All the other advice is useless if you get a gun with a caliber that starts with a 4 and you never carry it because it is uncomfortable and impacts your lifestyle too much. If you don’t mind all that weight on your hip, and it doesn’t get to be a nuisance as you sit in restaurants, exit cars, and change your wardrobe to cover it, then get the big gun. But remember that a handgun is a tool to allow you to disengage from a fight, not to win it.

I’d love to carry a full size pistol that packs at least 13 rounds of .45ACP in the magazine. But, its just too darn big and heavy. People carry some big guns in movies and on the internet, but in the real world, you tend to carry what is comfortable.

So, I have a variety of guns for carry. A small-ish Beretta PX4 Storm Sub-Compact 9mm for carry when a jacket is appropriate. A S&W Bodyguard 380 for pocket carry or summer carry (and since its Florida, that is most of the year). A Beretta .22 Bobcat for really deep concealment (my “church gun”).

But, I did come across the new Sig Sauer P290 today. It is 9mm, DAO, small, and thin. I think that it will replace the first two easily just as soon as I get to a gun store next week.


18 posted on 08/18/2012 6:47:23 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: JaguarXKE
The Walther is an excellent carry gun. Use it for that, and get a 12-guage pump shotgun (like a Mossberg 500) for home protection.

Handguns are inferior to long guns. The only thing that have going for them is portability.

You don't need portability in a home-defense weapon.

19 posted on 08/18/2012 6:48:35 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Ouderkirk
I agree with the CCI Stingers. My fave carry pistol is my old Beretta "Jaguar Plinker" Model 70, the same little pistol they used in the movie Sword of Gideon. I wouldn't want to face Dirty Harry with it, but it's small and comfortable.
20 posted on 08/18/2012 6:52:58 PM PDT by Marauder ("I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just" -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Flatus I. Maximus
Oh, and don't carry a valuable antique or a family heirloom.

That's why I've not really considered carrying the P-38. It's a real German WWII gun that was given to my father (who fought in WWII Germany) but it was given to him by a former German officer years after the war when my Dad was stationed in Germany again in peace time.

21 posted on 08/18/2012 6:55:47 PM PDT by JaguarXKE (If my Fluffy had a puppy, it would look like the puppy Obama ate!)
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To: gorush

Ditto, though the 357 Magnum version is nice too. But really any 38 snubby, preferably with a shrouded hammer, is fine.


22 posted on 08/18/2012 7:00:17 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: JaguarXKE

12 gauge, with 00 shot.

Under baggy clothing.


23 posted on 08/18/2012 7:02:46 PM PDT by lurk
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To: JaguarXKE

The new Springfield XDS has gotten a lot of attention and converts. It’s small enough to be a pocket gun, yet has 7 rounds of .45.


24 posted on 08/18/2012 7:03:01 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Bryanw92; JaguarXKE
Ditto what Bryanw92 said: "But remember that a handgun is a tool to allow you to disengage from a fight, not to win it."

You're going to get a lot of people advising you to carry the next closest thing to Mjölnir. That's muy macho, but the objective here is to: 1.) get a gun that you will carry, so that you have it if and when you need it, 2.) can abso-fracking-lutely trust not to go BANG! unless you want it to, and 3.) if you must pull the trigger, will hit only what you want it to hit -- and that result is a combination of the gun's qualities and your familiarity with it, which means a gun that you can afford to get in a lot of range time with.

25 posted on 08/18/2012 7:05:32 PM PDT by Flatus I. Maximus (OVERTHROW OBAMA!)
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To: JaguarXKE

I recommend a Glock G19. But like others said it’s subjective. I shoot my Glocks well and feel like with their magazine capacity I don’t need a spare mag. Personally, I carry my G23 most of the time. Sometimes I carry my Springfield .45 and do carry an extra mag then. The best advice I can give is rent and shoot any gun you plan on carrying before you buy it. I have big hands so the Glock double stack magazine is not an issue for me. Some people with smaller hands feel the double stack Glocks are “chunky”. With modern ammo if you do your part the 9 mm is going to be fine as a self defense gun. I like the .40 and .45 just on the belief that more is almost always better. I know .380s are becoming popular again but I think the .380 is marginal at best for self defense. I have a Walther PPK/S and it sits in the safe unless I’m taking it to the range. Another gun worth looking at is the Kahr CM9, or PM9 for a couple of hundred bucks more. They don’t have much in the way of magazine capacity but they are extremely concealable. Just my opinions, YMMV.


26 posted on 08/18/2012 7:06:27 PM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: JaguarXKE

It is hard to beat a Model 60, get a pocket holster, drop it in your pocket, and go. A Model 60 goes off every time you pull the trigger, even if you forget to clean it for a while, Which I do regularly.


27 posted on 08/18/2012 7:06:27 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: JaguarXKE

I’ve carried a Rossi .38 5-shot snub for the last couple of years now everywhere I’ve gone. As to your dilemma, go with what a Freeper above me said - figure out which one is comfortable for you. Some people swear by Glocks, but there’s always been something about them I don’t care for, and it’s hard to put my finger on exactly what. But if you love it, go with it. The next sidearm I want is a Kimber 1911 of some variety.


28 posted on 08/18/2012 7:09:33 PM PDT by arderkrag (ABOs are Romneybot trolls. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: ansel12; JaguarXKE

Good advice. Where do you anticipate carrying it? What is your body shape? What kind of clothes will you be wearing?

I’m fairly slim and to carry an actually concealed large caliber in the summer is tough. Front waistband crotch carry pointing south is about the only way to do it.

Pocket guns, different deal.


29 posted on 08/18/2012 7:12:25 PM PDT by One Name
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

There are two other advantages of a small handgun in home defense. The first is concealabilty. I’m not going answer the door with a shotgun every tome the UPS guy or some girlscout selling cookies comes knocking. And I’m not going to sling a shotgun over my sholder every time I mow the lawn. But I will slip a revolver into my pocket. Secondly, a long gun can be a disadvantage in a confined space like a hallway.


30 posted on 08/18/2012 7:12:25 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: Astronaut

Just bought one if those (G3) and love it!


31 posted on 08/18/2012 7:20:26 PM PDT by day10 (Integrity has no need of rules.)
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To: gorush; JaguarXKE

I have the .357 magnum version of that pistol ( M&P340pd) and I carry it all the time. It carries extremely well. It’s miserable to practice with though and even with the CT laser, it’s probably no good beyond 15 yards which is more than adequate for 99.9% of your CCW self defense situations; however, after Aurora, I have decided that I need to be able to make a head shot at ~25 -35 yards under duress so I’m working on carrying my full sized Glock 21 in .45 ACP. which will do that all day long. It doesn’t carry as well of course but it’s doable and 13 rounds of .45 acp from a Glock 21 is more than enough gun for pretty much any situation you might find yourself in.


32 posted on 08/18/2012 7:20:56 PM PDT by RC one
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To: Hugin

He already has a handgun.


33 posted on 08/18/2012 7:26:47 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: JaguarXKE

Whatever you choose to carry, it must be:

1. 100% reliable, it must fire every time.

2. It must be lethal. Carrying .22’s and .380’s is woefully optimistic. .38 Special and 9mm Parabellum are the minimum.

3. It must be concealable. Steer clear of the fat butt 40 round supermag Service weapons and look for something slim.

Beware of the carry expert with big ideas and no experience.


34 posted on 08/18/2012 7:28:58 PM PDT by ReconViper 1
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To: Flatus I. Maximus
You're going to get a lot of people advising you to carry the next closest thing to Mjölnir.

Now I'm gonna have dreams about people concealed carrying comically oversized hammers. Or, maybe, firing hammers out of shotguns. Either one is amusing.
35 posted on 08/18/2012 7:31:21 PM PDT by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, Forever in Rebellion.)
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To: Hugin
I dream of owning the S&W Governor...shoots .410 and .45's just like Taurus' "The Judge". I'm still in negotiations with my spouse (I always introduce her as my first wife, if you must know).

ps. I haven't spoken to my wife in over three months. We're not fighting...I just don't like to interrupt.

36 posted on 08/18/2012 7:32:33 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: RC one

“It doesn’t carry as well of course but it’s doable and 13 rounds of .45 acp from a Glock 21 is more than enough gun for pretty much any situation you might find yourself in.”

Sorry. He has friends.

You can’t assume anything about a firefight.

Remember McGurk’s Theorem............

If lots is good, then more is better and too much is just enough.

Always carry spare mags. You’re counting on 13 rounds that may be lost when the floor plate of your mag falls out. Something I have seen on the range too often.


37 posted on 08/18/2012 7:33:57 PM PDT by ReconViper 1
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To: gorush
Personally I would love to own a Kel Tec PMR-30. 30 rounds of 22 Mag to go. Unfortunately, not legally available in the Peoples Republic of California.


38 posted on 08/18/2012 7:43:10 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: JaguarXKE
Home defense and self defense in one convenient package!


39 posted on 08/18/2012 7:56:51 PM PDT by sjmjax (Politicans are like bananas - they start out green, turn yellow, then rot.)
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To: JaguarXKE

Guns that are good for concealed carry are usually not much fun to shoot.

A lot depends on your body size and the way you typically dress.


40 posted on 08/18/2012 8:07:24 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: c-b 1; JaguarXKE
It is hard to beat a Model 60, get a pocket holster, drop it in your pocket, and go.

I have to agree with c-b 1. I carried a Model 60 everywhere for many years. My current go-to gun is similar, a Model 638. It’s very light weight, and in a Kramer pocket holster it’s easy to forget you’re carrying. The only problem with it is that my wife borrows it so often I will have to buy another one for me.

I’m a dinosaur and prefer heavy bullets, so it’s loaded with 158 gr. LSWCHP.

Like others have said, a lot depends on your situation. I would prefer to carry a larger handgun, but the ten summer months in Lower Alabama make that impossible. The big boys stay home or in the truck.

My opinion: pack the most firepower that fits your hand and that you can comfortably conceal.

As for ballistics: Bullet placement is King. Adequate penetration is Queen. Everything else is angels dancing on the head of a pin.

41 posted on 08/18/2012 8:13:52 PM PDT by cayuga (The next Crusade will be a war of annihilation.)
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To: JaguarXKE

“Is this the XDs you’re thinking about? XDS

Says on the side made in Croatia? That’s surprising. What is it about the XDs that you like?”

Yes, that’s it. I have, like I said earlier, an XDm. Yes, they’re made in Croatia, and they are very well made, very good shooting guns. It was recommended to me by a friend who shoots competitive .45. I’ve been very impressed with it. Cosmetically, it’s the baddest looking gun out there in my opinion. So, what I like about the XDs is the quality, and how compact it is for a .45 (which is the caliber I carry if at all possible). The only problem with the XDm is the size. To me it’s too big and heavy for normal concealed carry.


42 posted on 08/18/2012 8:15:48 PM PDT by suthener
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To: ReconViper 1
I don't disagree. of course you would carry a couple of extra mags for the violent flash mob scenario. That being said, 13 rounds of .45 acp is extremely authoritative and will resolve “pretty much any situation you might find yourself in”. I like the jack ass rig because it holds the extra mags actually but I think I like blackhawk serpa style shoulder holder more because of the position it puts the gun in and the retention lock. The serpa sticks out too far on the hip though with a full size .45. There's an extra mag option for that too. that's the rig I'm going to be using come fall.
43 posted on 08/18/2012 8:18:43 PM PDT by RC one
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To: JaguarXKE

I think the consensus is that a gun you are comfortable with and that you will carry, is the most important criteria, but I would always complement a cc with an appropriate knife.

This is because a gun and a knife are indeed complementary, and for optimal self defense you need both.

The third side of the triangle is situational awareness, because a lot of situations are either “sneak up behind you”, “quick and in your face”, or “not sure if I should act or just stand here”.

For this I remember the desert rule: that people have died of thirst in the desert with a full canteen of water they saved.


44 posted on 08/18/2012 8:21:17 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Spktyr

I found some reviews of the XDS on Youtube. Looks VERY interesting! I like that it’s a .45 with some real firepower, yet still easily concealed. Looks like its getting good reviews from the vids I’ve seen, one of which did a direct comparison with the Glock.


45 posted on 08/18/2012 8:34:21 PM PDT by JaguarXKE (If my Fluffy had a puppy, it would look like the puppy Obama ate!)
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To: JaguarXKE

I traded off all my Glocks for XDs, save for one.

I consider them equals, but the ergonomics of the XD just shoots better for me.

The Smith M&Ps also deserve a long hard look.

All three pistols have all the right stuff in all the right places.


46 posted on 08/18/2012 8:36:42 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: JaguarXKE

Be warned....EVERYTHING new gets good reviews from the guys that just bought them.


47 posted on 08/18/2012 8:40:17 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
I have a SW 44 Special that I think is the cat's meow.I had a chamois lined holster made for it, special belt with 24 bullet loops and it has never let me down.I load it 225 grain Keith semi=wad cutter, and they seem to work fine.
48 posted on 08/18/2012 8:48:41 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 ("The plans I have for you are plans to prosper you.,not to harm you, Plans to give you hope)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
I have a SW 44 Special that I think is the cat's meow.I had a chamois lined holster made for it, special belt with 24 bullet loops and it has never let me down.I load it 225 grain Keith semi=wad cutter, and they seem to work fine.
49 posted on 08/18/2012 8:49:07 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 ("The plans I have for you are plans to prosper you.,not to harm you, Plans to give you hope)
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To: papertyger

Good point.


50 posted on 08/18/2012 8:53:29 PM PDT by JaguarXKE (If my Fluffy had a puppy, it would look like the puppy Obama ate!)
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