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{VANITY} A little prepper help if ya please
8/18/2012 | me

Posted on 08/18/2012 6:54:12 PM PDT by mykroar

Looking for a little prepper guidance, specifically around long-term food (MRS vs freeze-dried) and maybe where to obtain. Also interested in a good site to obtain ammunition (or would the next local gun show be the way to go). Picked up a Mossberg 12 gauge & a Hi-point .45ACP Carbine a few months back.

I am currently in an apartment, so space is an issue to a degree. Thanks ahead of time - last weekly prepper thread was a month ago.


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1 posted on 08/18/2012 6:54:18 PM PDT by mykroar
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To: mykroar; Kartographer
The last thread was Friday.

/johnny

2 posted on 08/18/2012 6:56:09 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: mykroar
Mash here for yesterday's thread.

/johnny

3 posted on 08/18/2012 6:58:24 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer

Please pick up the white courtesy phone.


4 posted on 08/18/2012 7:00:54 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: mykroar

freeze dried lasts longer than military MREs but pretty much requires potable water for reconstitution. MRES are good for maybe 5-10 years. some of the contents seem to last longer than others. Gun shows are the best source of ammo IMO because there’s no paper trail. .45 acp would be more difficult to obtain than 9 mm in a total meltdown. It can easily be reloaded with a minimum of experience and equipment however and you should be prepared to reload it. The lee hand press with a set of .45 dies, a case trimmer, and a set of powder scoops would probably get you going for less than $100.


5 posted on 08/18/2012 7:03:33 PM PDT by RC one
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To: mykroar

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/


6 posted on 08/18/2012 7:07:26 PM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: mykroar

As far as seeking ammo goes - try this site: http://ammoseek.com/

They’re not perfect but they do seem pretty good at querying the different sites for current ammo prices. Then go support your local gun show. Check out pricing there and compare. Remember the extra that you may be paying in shipping and taxes depending on which way you go - figure all the associative costs to find the real deals.


7 posted on 08/18/2012 7:08:21 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: mykroar
Having a portable CB radio might be a good thing if there's an EMP attack and all cellphone comm goes down (or if our gov't takes it down).

Also, FR links:

10 Things That Every Survivalist Needs

The ULTIMATE checklist for emergency preparedness supplies

If you go here and scroll down a bit, here are some great PDF's to save to your desktop or print:

Top 10 Survival Downloads (PDF's) You Should Have

8 posted on 08/18/2012 7:08:49 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: mykroar

Mossberg 12ga good choice, feed it some 3” #4 Buckshot if it is chambered for 3” shot shells for home defense and stock up on bird shot for SHTF food supply gathering.

For online orders I like www.ammoman.com Sign up for there news letters. Watch for specials and I like the free shipping.

Always visit the gun shows for local bargains on ammo.

MREs for short term needs (6 mth to a year). Freeze dried for 10-15 year out planning.


9 posted on 08/18/2012 7:15:26 PM PDT by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
Foodinsurance.com has all kinds of emergency food packages.. A tad pricey but good quality and they even have a backpack stuffed with goodies in case you have to flee your area.
10 posted on 08/18/2012 7:15:30 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Nailbiter

pang


11 posted on 08/18/2012 7:16:11 PM PDT by IncPen (Educating Barack Obama has been the most expensive project in human history)
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To: mykroar

We’re a bit “over”weight; so are storing some of our provisions “on the hoof” so to speak. I’d suggest not getting too crazy trying to store every possible delicacy known to mankind in your provisions. We got several big cans of Provident Pantry stuff, but didn’t go overboard on that. Have stored a few cans of Alaskan salmon, but rotate them; nothing like some good protein to keep you going. Also got a couple of large cans of freeze dried heirloom garden seeds (we have a bit of garden space). If you have a water well or a fresh water spring near your house, that’s a good thing - because water storage is - to me - sort of a grim proposition. - We stretch and don’t waste our food, make corn cakes instead of pans of cornbread, small batches of pancakes out of whole grain pancakes. Husband is in charge of the ammo; I depend on bear spray for my defense. Nasty No Trespassing signs help, too. You hate to do that; but we’ve had some problems with trespassers off the river over the years.


12 posted on 08/18/2012 7:18:25 PM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: mykroar
Freeze dried lasts MUCH longer but is more expensive. I like www.beprepared.com aka, emergency essentials. I buy a few #10 cans monthly. Dehydrating and vacuum packing and/or canning, curing and smoking at home is cheaper by far and very easy, if you do your DD and stick to it you can lay up a lot of good stuff quickly but the shelf life is shorter and you must be conscious of rotating stocks.
Water is #! priority for preparedness! Make this effort first depending on your location this may or may not require much effort.
All things gun and ammo are cheaper at the, private level, gun shows, internet and stores in that order. Walmart, Sam's club and Costco are doing more and more in all of these areas and can be worth your time to research their availability of products and supplies.
Knowledge is probably the most important resource you'll need after water. READ EVERYTHING you can on the subject and share your understanding with your family and friends. I have printed good articles and keep a spiral notebook so if the SHTF and I'm not around my folks will have some sort of guidebook to refer to on what I've learned and have accrued.
Best to you, OOS
13 posted on 08/18/2012 7:20:03 PM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: mykroar

How long do you want to prepare for?


14 posted on 08/18/2012 7:29:18 PM PDT by PA Engineer (What if the rabbit hole is endless?)
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To: mykroar

May I suggest that you down load and review my Preparedness Manual at:

http://tomeaker.com/kart/Preparedness1j.pdf

NOTE! THIS IS A FREE DOWNLOAD. I DO NOT MAKE ONE CENT OFF MY PREPAREDNESS MANUAL!

You will find articles on many of the questions that you are asking as well as many questions that haven’t occur to you as of yet. It’s written for those just starting or for those who are old hands at prepping.

For those of you who haven’t started already it’s time to prepare almost past time maybe. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, a extra couple changes of oil and filters for your car, tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.

As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”

Or as the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.
NIV Proverbs 22:3

Lastly this for the doubters and the scoffers.

“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger.

Underestimation can be fatal.”


15 posted on 08/18/2012 7:44:19 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

I’ve talked to hundreds of preppers over the last three and the one comment I hear the most is that they have a ‘feeling’.

These people are from all social, education and financial backgrounds. They say that there are demonstrable statistic that show that the number of people missing airline flights that end up crashing is higher than the average number of people that miss flights. I know myself there have been times when I have putted around doing this and that in the morning, which is unusual for me only to leave and find that a big wreck has taken place along my route to work. I say listen to that little voice in the back of you head, because there’s a good chance it knows what its’ talking about.

Don’t let the scoffers and the doubters get you down. They laughed at Noah right up until the first raindrops started falling.


16 posted on 08/18/2012 7:52:38 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: mykroar

Also suggest the single serving size cans of fruits, vegetables, meat (yes Spam has a small size can), tuna, cheese whiz, ect.

They are easy to store under the bed, under the couch, and that way if you have a situation were you can’t get any water for cooking you will at least have something to eat.


17 posted on 08/18/2012 8:03:52 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Kartographer

Ping...


18 posted on 08/18/2012 8:06:11 PM PDT by 103198
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To: mykroar
I believe MRE's should be planned only for "eating on the move" (either by foot or vehicle). Freeze Dried is good, but before that I would put back at lest 5 gallons of dried beans and 5 gallons of dried white rice in vacuum-sealed mylar bags sealed in food-grade 5 gallon plastic buckets with sealed lids. In fact, here we order freeze-dried meat products from ShelfReliance specifically to have some meat to throw in with our beans and rice.

To compliment that we've also put back some big jars of crunchy peanut butter, honey, crackers and vitamins.

So, in summary, MREs for eating on the move and freeze-dried meat products to compliment beans and rice.

(Also, don't forget to store tobasco, various spices, etc. to go with that beans and rice.)

We get good, competitive prices for ammo at Walmart. We get our mylar bags from:

https://www.usaemergencysupply.com/emergency_supplies/mylar_food_storage_bags.htm

Also, there are some decent video tutorials on YouTube that cover vacuum packing beans and rice in mylar bags.

19 posted on 08/18/2012 8:12:28 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: Kartographer

“They say that there are demonstrable statistic that show that the number of people missing airline flights that end up crashing is higher than the average number of people that miss flights.”

Well then let’s see the statistics. I can put limits on the numbers:

There are not that many flights that crash (100 per year?), and let’s assume an average of 300 seats per crash, and how many could miss a flight with 300 seats available? Even if you assume that all 300 passengers missed the flight that crashed (30,000 per year), that does not come close to the 93,000 commercial flights per day. If one person per flight missed it, that would be 93,000 missed flights.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090405222940AAgDZaF

http://www.quora.com/How-many-people-fly-domestically-in-the-United-States-each-day


20 posted on 08/18/2012 8:22:37 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: mykroar

It’s not a popular opinion among preppers, but IMO most stored food should be canned goods.

The only real advantage of freeze-dried foods and even wheat, beans and rice, relative to canned goods, is weight. And unless you plan to be moving that just doesn’t matter. And if you are planning to be on the move you won’t be able to carry much.

Most types of foods other than canned goods require cooking, for which fuel may not be readily available. With canned goods you can always just eat them cold. Also their not needing water is an advantage, IMO.

Obviously shelf life is an issue and your stock should be rotated, but most canned goods can if necessary be safely eaten long after their posted expiration date.

Perhaps most importantly, if purchased in bulk and/or on sale, cost is MUCH lower than most alternatives.


21 posted on 08/18/2012 8:44:27 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: mykroar
Wise Foods is another supplier of various emergency and long term storage foods.

Wise Foods

They will send you a free sample - something like a 4 person dehydrated entree.

I ordered one but haven't tried it yet.

Here is the link:

Wise Foods - Free Sample


22 posted on 08/18/2012 9:08:04 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: mykroar

Something to consider if you plan to rely on wild plants and animals for food:

In a true, widespread SHTF scenario, when you are out looking for dandelion greens and other edible plants there will be millions of others doing the same thing.

When you are out hunting for birds, squirrels and varmits to cook up there will millions of others with the same idea.

People living alone miles from nowhere probably won’t have a big problem running into scavengers, but people living in suburbs and towns will have a lot of competition for any wild edibles in the local area.


23 posted on 08/18/2012 9:23:14 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: mykroar

What kind of vehicle do you have? Can you pack out your gear? What have you got to make trades with? Do you have anything to store water? What about purify water. Think about prepping in terms of loss:

Loss of clean air (gas mask / seal up apartment)
Loss of clean water (hand pump water filter)
Loss of clean food (check out emergency essentials)
Loss of electricity / heat / cooking (charcoal, rocket stove, ?)
Loss of fuel / gas (transportation ???)
Loss of access to medical (first aid)
Loss of police protection (sounds like you got that already)


24 posted on 08/18/2012 9:35:59 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: mykroar

Get a pressure cooker and learn how to can.
If you do a good job, most canned food is good for 10+ years.
walmart has winchester 100 round value packs of 45acp reasonable.


25 posted on 08/18/2012 9:37:06 PM PDT by RBK
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To: mykroar
I love my HP4595 - went crazy with it and decked it out with laser, tac light, scope, butt stock mags. Truly an SBG (scarey black gun).

Put lots and lots of (mostly reloaded) rounds through it, but it'll never be better than a 50- to 75-yard gun. .45 ACP is an awesome round for defense, but it won't feed you.

Marlin makes some very inexpensive carbines in .30-30, accurate twice as far out as the HP could ever hope to shoot and has a very manageable recoil. Lever actions are also quite dependable and robust.

I think that deer and wild hogs will be real shy post-Obamaclypse, so even a good 200-yard rifle may have problems feeding you. Out past 300 yards, the .30-06 is king, but you need very good optics and lots of practice to do it justice.

The Mosin-Nagant ("Nugget") is a very inexpensive long-range rifle (in the long barrel configuration). Its round packs a big punch, but it'll leave bruises if you don't respect it. No safety, and scoping it requires a crazy Chicom deal that pins the optics precariously to the iron sights bracket about half-way down the barrel.

What are your .22 options? Can't go wrong with a Ruger 10-22, and Henry makes a neat little collapsible survival rifle.
26 posted on 08/18/2012 10:51:59 PM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: mykroar

Local gun show is good. Usually there are some who have survival food and emergency medical supplies.

http://bulkammo.com is good website

As far as bulk food, I suggest start with what you already eat and just get more. That is how I started. Get whatever canned food is on sale but more. I budgeted $10 a week when I started out. That is I bought $10 extra food each week.


27 posted on 08/19/2012 12:23:28 AM PDT by packrat35 (Admit it! We are almost ready to be called a police state!)
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To: Sherman Logan
It’s not a popular opinion among preppers, but IMO most stored food should be canned goods.

While my stored food has a very large proportion of cans, I don't agree with your advice, at least not for all preppers. I have nearly unlimited fuel and water, live well outside the nearest city, and am not young enough to compete on a level playing field in the woods. I'm not bugging out. For me, freeze-dried and dehydrated are not worth the extra cost to save weight, since I won't be carrying large amounts of food. Others, particularly young and urban, will have different priorities.

28 posted on 08/19/2012 3:46:03 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Kartographer

I think every human on the planet is experiencing an “angst”. Something big is imminent.

I even sense it in my gov’t worshipping libinlaws, though they react with ANGER when they see that I’m taking steps to prepare my family for a rough time where their precious social contract ceases to function.


29 posted on 08/19/2012 4:09:41 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: DBrow; Kartographer

Give the guy a break, he’s probably done more to help people prep than anyone else in the country.

As to what he said about missing flights, I had to do a double take also. I’m sure what he meant is something to the effect that if an average of 10 people are no-shows for a typical flight, there are statistics to show an average of maybe 18 people are no-shows for the flights that crash...just not worded too clearly.


30 posted on 08/19/2012 5:28:41 AM PDT by BobL (Cruz'd to Victory - July 31, 2012)
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To: Pollster1

I strongly suspect that, for most people, attempting to travel any distance in SHTF conditions will be vastly more dangerous than holing up wherever they are.

Sure there will be exceptions, but I think it is a good general rule. When holed-up canned food that does not require water or cooking is IMO much more practical.

I am greatly amused by those who apparently think they will be able to survive in the woods by “living off the land,” eating the deer and such. In conditions likely to make such a method necessary, those woods will be flooded with millions of people all trying to do the same thing.

In a quite short period of time, the only edible game left will be walking on two legs.


31 posted on 08/19/2012 5:58:03 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: mykroar

If you’re in an apartment, then I’m “assuming” you’re in the city wehre you must rely upon someone else to provide the water and electricty. In that case, even with limited storage space, I’d go with regular grocery store canned goods rather than dehydrated foods. Canned goods don’t require water and the liquid they’re packed will suppliment your water needs. Be creative in your storage. Under the bed, under the couch and under and behind the dresser. Buy furniture that already has drawers or cabinets. Rather than an acrylic coffee table, get a trunk. Those end tables with just a top and legs are a waste - get ones with drawers and cabinets. Pull the bed a foot or so away from the wall and build a shelf unit behind it to place a lamp, a book and your glasses. Under that shelf is a ton of storage.

The plastic milk crates that are a 12” cubes are stackable and will hold 32 (yes, 32!) regular 15 oz cans. They can be covered with fabric and used as seating or as that coffee table or stacked several tall and used as a plant stand with no one the wiser.


32 posted on 08/19/2012 6:22:27 AM PDT by bgill
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To: BobL
Not sure this is possible to compare statistically.

People just don't realize how rare commercial crashes are.

Since 1950 there have only been roughly 1000, or about 20 per year. That is of course for the whole world, and rates in the third world are a big multiple of those here. Crashes are so rare that terrorism is one of the major causes.

In most recent years we don't have a US crash, and sometimes we go several years between them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_commercial_aircraft

For purposes of discussion, let's allow for six crashes per decade.

There are upwards of 10M US flights per year, or 100M per decade.

Comparing the mean missing a flight from 100M completed flights to those from six crashes cannot statistically be computed, I suspect. I'm not a statistician, but work around statistics enough to have a "feel" for them.

This is, BTW, ignoring the obvious fact that crashes are often associated with bad weather, which may also have a major impact on number of people missing a flight, because they can't get to the airport on time or because their connection gets in late, etc.

IOW, any such statistic may not have actual statistical validity, and even if it does, there are alternative explanations other than the survivors having a "feeling" that leads them to intentionally miss the flight.

33 posted on 08/19/2012 6:47:23 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

I won’t argue that, maybe the stats aren’t there. I just don’t like people beating up on Karto.


34 posted on 08/19/2012 6:49:26 AM PDT by BobL (If you're afraid of guns, get yourself a wife that isn't)
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To: Kartographer

Depression era grand parents, parents that were small children in the same era as well as the rationing of WWII. They understood a harvest and thrift as well as depending on no one for providing for them and theirs.

We learned the lessons they lived. I prep for all situations that could impact our sources of food, shelter and fiscal and personal security.

It could be a long term illness that doesn’t allow me to work and provide. It can be a bad economy that also forces unemployment to rise. A natural or man made disaster that disrupts this nations productivity .

Creating different layers of food sources with everything from bulk storage in the pantry from the big box stores to our own gardens, local farmers markets and hunting and fishing harvest stored each year.

It’s a lifestyle, not a bad feeling. Learn from history and don’t allow such to repeat itself on your children . Dependence on others be it friends or goobermint is insanity.

Don’t be a burden. Don’t endanger you family by ignoring your responsibility to provide. All this will remove that bad feeling that keeps you awake at night and provide time to think and work to defeat the socialist trash trying to impose such fears upon the voters.

Obama says vote for me and I will provide endless unemployment funds, food stamps, and medical care as his department of interior fines tourists for feeding the wildlife as it will make animals dependent on a human and not let them learn to fend for themselves...... Go figure.

My opinion.... No bad feeling about the basics of life here. As to prepping and survival .

Bad feelings were something they should have had politically in November of 2008. It’s here folks. It’s upon our nation now. We are treading water in a monster rip tide of trouble.

Vote with your time and dollars between elections to starve the beast.

As stated just my opinion....


35 posted on 08/19/2012 6:55:03 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: Sherman Logan

Where I live, if vehicular traffic stops or significantly decreases, the raccoon population is going to explode.


36 posted on 08/19/2012 6:59:17 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Shadowstrike

A small closet can be made to store a surprising amount of food, even apartment dweller.

As it happens, made a freeze-dried meal last night, for the heck of it. Major label “beef stew”. Worse than I remembered from previous repasts. Yeah it’s edible, just barely. Let it soak for a half hour (ready in “ten minutes” means crunchy, half-reconstituted bits)

The meal would have benefited greatly from a half hour simmering, or maybe more - my impression was that the initial stew itself was not cooked thoroughly to begin with. It would be salvageable with a lot of extra cooking time, ingredients like onion and such, butter, broth.

Some freeze dried items are better than others, but I’m just not seeing the advantages unless one is planning on hiking or climbing. Canned goods are a lot cheaper and taste much better.


37 posted on 08/19/2012 7:03:36 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: DuncanWaring

Not if starving people are eating the coons.


38 posted on 08/19/2012 7:03:50 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

You haven’t seen the raccoon road-kill rate around here.


39 posted on 08/19/2012 7:33:56 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: BobL
As to what he said about missing flights, I had to do a double take also. I’m sure what he meant is something to the effect that if an average of 10 people are no-shows for a typical flight, there are statistics to show an average of maybe 18 people are no-shows for the flights that crash...just not worded too clearly.

Having been a no show for a flight that ended up not leaving my airport because it crashed before getting there, I can think of a logical explanation for this (if the claimed statistics exist). I was a no show due to ice. The plane crashed due to bad weather and ice on the wings. It seems entirely logical that we would have more no shows in the weather conditions that produce more crashes.

40 posted on 08/19/2012 8:13:18 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: DuncanWaring

I suspect that the environmental wackos are actually killing off the raccoons, where I live. A friend of mine remarked that she hadn’t seen any raccoons for a log time and then I got this notice from the local Storm Water board, advising ab out raccoons and the danger that they pose to the storm water.

Evidently, raccoons are naturally clean animals that create what they (the enviros) term, latrines. In other words, they tend to all poop in the same areas, away from where they live. The enviros don’t like that.


41 posted on 08/19/2012 8:16:48 AM PDT by Eva (Eee)
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To: BobL; Kartographer

Bob, yes he has and I’m grateful for that. Thank you, Kartographer, for all you do here and elsewhere.

I was looking for clarification, since you said, Kartographer, that there were statistics out there.


42 posted on 08/19/2012 8:26:52 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: DuncanWaring
You haven’t seen the raccoon road-kill rate around here.

I've got raccoons as big as small pigs. And I live in NJ.

43 posted on 08/19/2012 8:49:27 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum
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To: mykroar

Buy your ammo locally and pay cash. The Feds are monitoring online purchases.


44 posted on 08/19/2012 8:56:35 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Focault's Pendulum

Properly marinated, some consider them to be “good eatin’”.

Haven’t tried them myself.

Yet.


45 posted on 08/19/2012 9:01:32 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Squantos
I agree with what you say, but I will add this: The 'feeling', a sense of something being fundamentally wrong is something I have had, too. It definitely kicked in after the election of Duh Won.

I live frugally, and have contingency plans on my contingency plans, so to speak.

We learned as kids to always have a 'plan B' (and C, and D, etc. because no plan survives the event) along with the skills, tools, and supplies to back it up.

We are passing as much of that on to all the children, grandchildren (and great grands) who will listen.

That is a large group, (big family) and there is a definite split in attitude (and behaviour in general) between them.

It is as if people are choosing sides, which way they want to go, and the schism isn't pretty now, and it could get a lot uglier.

46 posted on 08/19/2012 9:25:01 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Kartographer
I’ve talked to hundreds of preppers over the last three and the one comment I hear the most is that they have a ‘feeling’.

The last time preppers had a "feeling" was around Y2K, and we all know how that turned out. The days afterward must have been rough for you guys. Sitting there in sullen silence eating your reconstituted beans with the lights turned on and burning brightly. Looking out at the neighbors on their patio grilling steaks which they irresponsibly bought that very day. Wishing things had gone differently. Thinking about how those scoffers should have been on their knees begging right about now. Looking forward to a future disaster to settle things up and prove to them that you're on par with Noah.

47 posted on 08/19/2012 10:15:47 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Smokin' Joe

Good points, well said.

Stay safe Joe !


48 posted on 08/19/2012 12:44:40 PM PDT by Squantos
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To: BobL; DBrow; Sherman Logan

After doing some research I couldn’t find the statistical information I referenced in my post, though is a great deal of anecdotal evidence that evidence can not be proven to be factual statistically. This said I withdraw my reference as posted and offer apologies to any that may have been misled by my post.

Sherman Logan you are quite correct in your statement that such a correlation would be difficult to prove not only the weather fact you referenced is a factor, but I also found references to the policy of airlines to over book flights would have to be taken in to consideration.

BobL thank you so very much for coming to my defense, but when a person makes a claim they should expect to be challenged and I clearly was not prepare to meet such a challenge.

Again I offer my apologies for my misstatement and with that hope that it will now be possible to return to the subject and intent of this thread.


49 posted on 08/19/2012 12:53:20 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Yardstick

Don’t worry I am sure you will to soon get a chance to vent you frustration and revenge against preppers. You are sure to get by well working as a ‘snitch’ pointing out those that have prep to the ‘authorities’those you haven’t gotten around to personally robbing or extorted from. You will get your chance to make sure that preppers are punished for their misdeeds.

Anyone you has shown the amount of vile contempt and disdain that you have will not be able to keep themselves from the chance to dispense what they will see as justice against those they loath.


50 posted on 08/19/2012 1:05:27 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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