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New Jersey Casino Suing Gamblers Who Won $1.5 Million, Blames Unshuffled Decks of Cards
ABC News ^ | 8/21/12 | ALYSSA NEWCOMB

Posted on 08/21/2012 8:05:12 PM PDT by Justaham

A New Jersey casino has sued a group of gamblers who won $1.5 million after they allegedly realized the eight decks of cards used in a game of mini baccarat were not preshuffled.

The Golden Nugget in Atlantic City, N.J., filed suit against the gamblers and playing card company Gemaco after 14 players collectively won $1,536,700 in 41 winning hands.

As the same sequence of cards kept appearing April 30, the players increased their bets from $10 to $5,000, the casino alleged.

"The gamblers unlawfully took advantage of the Golden Nugget when they caught onto the pattern and ... by passing money to fellow gamblers in order to place bets in excess of posted betting limits," the casino said in a statement.

In a lawsuit filed in New Jersey Superior Court, the casino cited gambling regulations that state gaming odds must be fair for both sides.

The Golden Nugget is seeking a return of the $558,900 it paid out to several of the players and the nearly $1 million worth of chips.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: casinos; gambling; goldennugget; newjersey

1 posted on 08/21/2012 8:05:21 PM PDT by Justaham
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To: Justaham

The safe money is on the Casino to lose this one, at least as far as the players are concerned. They might have a case against Gameco if the decks were labelled as pre-shuffled.


2 posted on 08/21/2012 8:12:01 PM PDT by FredZarguna ("That can't be a fair blakcjack game, we lost.")
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To: Justaham
Don't think there is a legal requirement for gamblers not to gamble on the stupidity of an incompetently run casino.
3 posted on 08/21/2012 8:12:18 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Justaham

I cannot see them winning a lawsuit that alleges the casino’s failure to practice due diligence in ensuring a deck of cards was properly shuffled and some card players noticed and made their bets accordingly.


4 posted on 08/21/2012 8:13:01 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Justaham

That’s why it’s called gambling. Tough luck casino.


5 posted on 08/21/2012 8:15:33 PM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: FredZarguna

The casino would rather that the lawyers (Their share holders) get the winnings than their patrons. Win or loose the patrons don’t end up with the winnings.


6 posted on 08/21/2012 8:29:58 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: fella
Sorry, but I must demur. I will be very surprised if the case against the players is not dismissed in a Summary Judgment; in which case they will spend very little on legal fees.
7 posted on 08/21/2012 8:37:45 PM PDT by FredZarguna ("That can't be a fair blackjack game, we lost.")
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To: Justaham

WWJPD?

(What would Joe Pesci do?)


8 posted on 08/21/2012 8:37:53 PM PDT by ThirdMate
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To: Justaham

Somebody’s gonna get whacked over this.


9 posted on 08/21/2012 8:39:04 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Justaham

The odds of winning at a casino are stacked in their favor, because the casino lost money due their fault now they throw a hissy fit and want their money back.

There was no cheating, counting of card, nothing.

I say go pound sand.


10 posted on 08/21/2012 8:39:04 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: ThirdMate
WWJPD?

Ask Spider.

Oh, wait ...

11 posted on 08/21/2012 8:39:22 PM PDT by FredZarguna ("That can't be a fair blackjack game, we lost.")
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To: Justaham

The casino lets it go on for 41 hands and then says they were cheated?

LOL!

“Hey restaraunt, this meal is bad - I want my money back!”

“Whaddya mean it’s bad, you ate the whole thing!”

“Well I had to be sure!”


12 posted on 08/21/2012 9:04:46 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Justaham

I need to start “gambling”.


13 posted on 08/21/2012 9:06:22 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Justaham
the casino cited gambling regulations that state gaming odds must be fair for both sides

Did the piece of paper this was written on start snickering when the complaint was filed with the court?

14 posted on 08/21/2012 9:08:06 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Justaham

Fair for both sides? Thats a laugh.


15 posted on 08/21/2012 9:21:08 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Justaham

Disagree with those who think this is a slam dunk for the patrons.

My money is on the casino. These types of cases almost always end up in the casinos favor. It would be akin to a slot machine malfunctioning. They win them almost everytime.


16 posted on 08/21/2012 9:34:01 PM PDT by jb729
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

Fair for both sides. Except for the house’s take, that is.


17 posted on 08/21/2012 10:09:41 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: jb729

When a slot machine goes bad, it’s a provable mechanical malfunction that results in improper awards. There’s no human factor. In this case, there was a casino representative handling the cards, and as noted elsewhere, the streak went on for 41 hands without the dealer (or anyone else) noticing. The casino failed to act, so it’s on them to pay.


18 posted on 08/21/2012 11:35:20 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Justaham

The casino wins, and it’s, “So long, Chump!”

The gambler wins and it’s, “Hey, wait a minute, that isn’t right!”


19 posted on 08/21/2012 11:52:30 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: dfwgator

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20 posted on 08/21/2012 11:52:57 PM PDT by ketelone
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To: Justaham


21 posted on 08/21/2012 11:55:30 PM PDT by ketelone
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To: Justaham
Its New Jersey! Unfortunately, the casino will win.
22 posted on 08/21/2012 11:55:52 PM PDT by Lockbar (I promise to move fire-wood twice a day.)
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To: Justaham

Case dismissed. Shuffle next time, casino.


23 posted on 08/22/2012 12:00:39 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: Justaham

I’d say “tough luck” to the casino. They won 41 hands and no one at the casino noticed? Not buying it.


24 posted on 08/22/2012 12:28:01 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 75 days away.)
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To: Justaham

The people running this casino are idiots as they missed out on a good PR opportunity. People would have flocked to their casino hoping for similar luck and the casino would have quickly made up their losses and then some with all the extra business. Instead, nobody is going to want to play there because they will be afraid of being sued if they win.


25 posted on 08/22/2012 2:14:25 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Justaham
state gaming odds must be fair for both sides.

Bwahahahahaaaaa....that is too funny.

26 posted on 08/22/2012 4:59:11 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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Courts have invalidated slot machine "jackpot" winnings, due to software errors. In these cases, the gamblers had no way of knowing they were gambling on a "flawed" machine. Even so, the courts ruled in favor of the casino, though it could be argued that the casino hadn't practiced "due diligence" to insure the slot machines were defect-free.

In this case, the casinos are going to argue that the gamblers recognized that there was a pattern of cards being dealt and SHOULD HAVE notified the casino.

Given the history of these court cases, I have a feeling that the casino may very well win.

Don't get me wrong, I think that the casinos should be FORCED to pay out the winnings in all cases, as long as no cheating by the gambler is proven, including in the cases of "software errors."

Mark

27 posted on 08/22/2012 6:57:40 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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