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New nuclear fuel source would power human race until 5000AD
The Register ^ | 22nd August 2012 15:13 GMT | Lewis Page

Posted on 08/22/2012 9:24:35 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Fission not just safe and affordable: sustainable tooSince the Fukushima meltdown - as a result of which, not a single person is set to be measurably harmed by radiation - we know that nuclear power is safe. New discoveries by US scientists have now shown it's sustainable as well.

That's because US government scientists have just announced research in which they've massively increased the efficiency of techniques for extracting uranium from the ocean - and that means that supplies of uranium are secure for the future even if the entire human race moves to fission power for all its energy needs.

"We have shown that our adsorbents can extract five to seven times more uranium at uptake rates seven times faster than the world's best adsorbents," says Chris Janke of the US Oak Ridge National Laboratory, one of America's top nuke labs.

At the moment people don't use nuclear power much (the UK's small and aged nuclear fleet can barely generate four times as much power as its wind farms, showing just how little energy we're talking about here: just 8 per cent of our national energy needs are derived from nuclear right now). As a result there's no scarcity of uranium, and indeed nobody has bothered exploring for more of it for decades.

But one day people really will have to stop using fossil fuel for nearly everything - either to prevent a global warming apocalypse, or (perhaps more realistically) because supplies will eventually run out. There's no chance of renewables generating the sort of energy the future human race will require to live above the poverty line, so something else will be required.

Anti-nuclear people have always argued that the something had better not be nuclear because more nuclear powerplants equals more weapons-grade material (not by any means necessarily true, though it seemed as though it might be the case back in the early days of nuclear technology). And even if you think nuclear bombs are OK, the fearmongers have always added that there just isn't enough uranium about to keep the lights on for long.

That may very well be correct, provided all the uranium must be dug out of the ground and run through a powerplant just once before being classified as waste and dumped. But in fact almost all of the spent fuel can be recycled and used again (nobody bothers much right now, as new uranium is cheaper - and in the States recycling the waste has actually been banned at the behest of the anti-nuclear tendency).

And best of all, there's an awful lot more uranium in the sea than there is in the ground. But until now, the costs of getting it out have been so steep as to make it unfeasible even given nuclear-power economics. (Normally, fuel price isn't a big deal for nuclear power as it is a tiny proportion of the cost of having a station - so double-price uranium only sends up the cost of the electricity by a few per cent at most. But seawater uranium to date has cost many times double.)

But now Janke and his colleagues at Oak Ridge and the Pacific Northwest federal atom labs have massively increased the efficiency of seawater extraction.

"Our HiCap adsorbents are made by subjecting high-surface area polyethylene fibers to ionizing radiation, then reacting these pre-irradiated fibers with chemical compounds that have a high affinity for selected metals," says Janke. The allied US government experts behind the tech presented details at a major boffinry conference in Philadelphia yesterday.

Nobody's saying that the new HiCap tech can compete with ordinary mining on cost yet - but that's almost irrelevant. What HiCap offers is, first, assurances to nuclear powerplant operators that they will still be able to obtain uranium for the foreseeable future with no more than a massive price increase - say no worse than three or four times over - no matter whether landbased reserves play out or become oversubscribed. That means their plants' total operating costs won't climb by any more than a marginal amount. Thus, a major source of risk for investors is removed.

Secondly, the prospect of being able to extract billions of tons of uranium from the sea means that humanity has access to enough fuel to meet all its energy needs - all of them, not just present day electricity demand but also the other 90 per cent currently supplied in thermal form - for thousands of years.

One US government statement issued this week says that oceanic uranium could last 6,500 years: but a more conservative estimate assuming use of recycling (as offered by Professor J C Mackay of Cambridge) is say three millennia with all humans using as much energy as a present-day European does. So we've gone with that for our headline.

There's more from the US government labs here and here. ®


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To: lefty-lie-spy
A 10 gray source is fatal if you get a dose all at once

I gotta get my eyes checked. I thought you said A 10 gay source is fatal if you get a dose all at once

41 posted on 08/22/2012 10:45:15 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Reactors operating in the US are 30-40 year old designs. That and we haven’t reprocessed spent fuel rods for close to 40 years. In the mean time other countries have surpassed us in nuclear plant design, with improved efficiencies, safety, and cycle life. We have even let our military outpace our commercial reactors with their technology, and most of the people operating commercial plants are former Navy trained personnel.

If you want to get serious about nuclear power, lift the spent fuel reprocessing ban, develop a standard reprocessing progam, and license the building and use of a standardized proven reactor design. The US is 30 years behind the rest of the world in terms of nuclear power generation, it’s time to catch up.


42 posted on 08/22/2012 10:45:55 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Reactors operating in the US are 30-40 year old designs. That and we haven’t reprocessed spent fuel rods for close to 40 years. In the mean time other countries have surpassed us in nuclear plant design, with improved efficiencies, safety, and cycle life. We have even let our military outpace our commercial reactors with their technology, and most of the people operating commercial plants are former Navy trained personnel.

If you want to get serious about nuclear power, lift the spent fuel reprocessing ban, develop a standard reprocessing progam, and license the building and use of a standardized proven reactor design. The US is 30 years behind the rest of the world in terms of nuclear power generation, it’s time to catch up.


43 posted on 08/22/2012 10:46:09 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: BuffaloJack

What, really, where, how and what power output?


44 posted on 08/22/2012 10:55:39 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average, they voted for oblabla.)
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To: techcor; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thorium is the answer.

Neither will be done though. This, like other issues, is one of the heart and emotions controlled by ignorant people. Ignorance leads to fear and fear leads to violence. They win unless they are removed.


45 posted on 08/22/2012 10:58:00 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average, they voted for oblabla.)
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To: factoryrat

Well said.

If our nation dropped half the money into infrastructure improvements that they do into entitlements and social programs, we’d live in a very different country.


46 posted on 08/22/2012 11:01:22 AM PDT by Heavyrunner (Socialize this.)
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To: Sequoyah101

I don’t know the power output.
My buddy works at the local university, but he ordered this for himself before xmas and just got it. It cost $4k and change and shipping. I assumed it was the Defkalion because it outputs electric power as well as steam and I didn’t think Rossi’s unit did the voltage output. I’ll have to ask where he got it. It may have even been one of the other 2 dozen plus outfits that have appeared this past year with Rossi type designs. This is my buddy’s toy and he’s still in the playing and testing stages.


47 posted on 08/22/2012 12:08:57 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (Repeal Obamacare, the CITIZENSHIP TAX)
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To: cuban leaf
my impression is that “fusion based” nuclear power, when things go wrong, results in a melt down, but “Fission based” nuclear power, when things go wrong, results in a rather large, uh, “things go boom”.

Nope.

1. There is no "fusion power" now, so things don't go wrong. Fusion power has been "20 years away" for 50 years now.

2. Fission power "may" melt down if things go wrong, but highly dependent on the design of the system. It is supposedly very nearly impossible to make one go "boom," even on purpose.

48 posted on 08/22/2012 12:24:24 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Yeah. I got fusion and fission completely backward. Sorry. And yeah, again. There is no working fusion plant. I’m talking about what I read about the risks of fusion based power plants if it were to ever lead to a runaway chain reaction.

That’s all.


49 posted on 08/22/2012 12:35:47 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
At the moment people don't use nuclear power much (the UK's small and aged nuclear fleet can barely generate four times as much power as its wind farms, showing just how little energy we're talking about here: just 8 per cent of our national energy needs are derived from nuclear right now). As a result there's no scarcity of uranium, and indeed nobody has bothered exploring for more of it for decades.

Leave it to the Brits to ignore the French who get 75% of their electricity from nuclear power.
50 posted on 08/22/2012 12:42:08 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

51 posted on 08/22/2012 1:07:07 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BenLurkin

Did you have that at the ready.....LOL!


52 posted on 08/22/2012 1:14:25 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: DuncanWaring; cuban leaf
...but “Fission based” nuclear power, when things go wrong, results in a rather large, uh, “things go boom”.
It's my understanding that in commercial nuclear power plants, intended for the generation of electricity, the enrichment level of the uranium is too low for "boom".
I can confirm that that’s what the math looked like when I was studying nuclear power half a century ago . . .
You don’t want to overdo the enrichment because of monetary diminishing returns, let alone the possibility of going boom.

53 posted on 08/22/2012 1:16:26 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: Sacajaweau
Nuclear power is safe....Tell that to the Russians...and the folks in Hiroshima.

Two things:

1. Total background radiation throughout Ukraine from Chernobyl is substantially less than the typical world background radiation. And there are places in the world where background radiation is hundreds of times higher than the world background radiation with no ill effect. Chernobyl had a lot of ink devoted to all the horrors it would cause. They just never happened. More people died from being evacuated, placed on a pension, and drinking themselves to death than those who expired from a lethal exposure to radiation (about 31). Projections for late cancer deaths have been confounded by "a 15% to 30% deficit of solid cancer mortality" among the Russian emergency workers" and "a 5% deficit solid cancer incidence among the population of most contaminated areas." On the other hand, hydroelectric causes about 40 deaths per year.

2. Comparing nuclear power to Hiroshima is like comparing a vacation trip in a gasoline-powered car to getting hit dead on with a napalm bomb. Anyone who would try to draw equivalence between the two is either ignorant or dishonest.
54 posted on 08/22/2012 1:16:49 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: factoryrat

BUMP


55 posted on 08/22/2012 1:50:52 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
And even if you think nuclear bombs are OK, the fearmongers have always added that there just isn't enough uranium about to keep the lights on for long.

Get rid of the ban on reprocessing of spent fuel rods and recover over 90% of the uranium that went into them. Use fast breeder reactors and make lots and lots of fuel. Between all these and thorium reactors, we can cover all electrical needs for longer than the human race has been around and doing anything more technical than using fire-hardened sticks for hunting.
56 posted on 08/22/2012 1:56:34 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: GraceG
atmospheric pressure reactors that have chemically inert ionically bonded reactants with PASSIVE safety systems.

True. But for my money...if it were my money...Pebble Bed would be the way to go.

57 posted on 08/22/2012 2:27:06 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.)
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To: BuffaloJack
Really?

Andrea Rossi August 21st, 2012 at 2:49 PM Dear Fabio:
1- The domestic E-Cats for now are not available , waiting for certification.
2- When the domestic E-Cats will be for sale, we will give all the commercial and technical information. Warm Regards, A.R.

I think you forgot your sarcasm tag.

58 posted on 08/22/2012 3:16:08 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping. Extraction of Uranium from seawater means there will be plenty of it for power plants — and bombs.


59 posted on 08/22/2012 7:05:21 PM PDT by zot
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