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New nuclear fuel source would power human race until 5000AD
The Register ^ | 22nd August 2012 15:13 GMT | Lewis Page

Posted on 08/22/2012 9:24:35 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
" New nuclear fuel source would power human race until 5000AD"

5,000 A.D.? It will take that long just to get the permits to build a new reactor.

21 posted on 08/22/2012 10:03:01 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: cuban leaf

Actually when things go wrong in Fusion power, it just stops. The toughest part getting the old ‘50s H-bombs working is keeping the reaction going.

The radiation produced cools the reaction below ignition point (near 20M deg with Deuterium-Tridium reaction, 40M with H3 reaction) If I remember correctly, just trying to keep it simple.


22 posted on 08/22/2012 10:06:33 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: Sacajaweau; All
Nuclear power is safe....Tell that to the Russians...and the folks in Hiroshima.

Quite an ignorant point of view you got there. One of your examples is a reactor where the safety interlocks were disabled, and the other is the result of the Japanese war machine being locked into a struggle to the death with the West.

Nuclear power IS our future. Uranium is almost as abundant on earth as tin is, and there's more thorium than that. If we'd stop THROWING AWAY the products of nuclear power, and process our waste like France does, we'd have power that actually renews itself.

23 posted on 08/22/2012 10:07:33 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (My game is disruption. I will use lethal force --my vote-- in self-defense against Obama.)
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To: BuffaloJack
"A buddy took delivery of a Rossi-Focardi Nickel-Hydrogen fusion reactor a few weeks ago..."

Really? That's probably the most newsworthy/noteworthy bit in this whole thread. All the skeptics quoted in here would definitely like to know if:
(a) your buddy is still alive and healthy after a month or two; and (b) if his electric bill is now zero (or less) thanks to the output of the thing.

24 posted on 08/22/2012 10:11:58 AM PDT by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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hmmmm... not sure what happened to the link I tried to setup: Let's try this..
25 posted on 08/22/2012 10:16:33 AM PDT by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: Sacajaweau
"...the folks in Hiroshima."

You mean the ones who live here?


26 posted on 08/22/2012 10:17:24 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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27 posted on 08/22/2012 10:18:13 AM PDT by mikrofon (I kan Hazmat)
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To: alancarp

He’s had it about 3 weeks. He’s gotten power from it and he’s run little tests with it, but it is mostly waiting for other hardware on order to make it useful. It needs a transfer switch and disconnect and some other stuff to be able to use it for his house. I figure he’ll have it done and running full time some time by the end of September.


28 posted on 08/22/2012 10:21:15 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Repeal Obamacare, the CITIZENSHIP TAX)
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To: Zathras

Let me get this straight. You are trying to tell me that for the second time in my life I am wrong? Is that correct?

Well, **** you!

;-)

Yeah, my understanding is one of the problems of Fusion power is getting it going, but I thought once a “chain reaction” got going, the results are hinted at in the phrase “chain reaction” and it continues until starved of food.

Now, are you going to suggest that I could be wrong twice in the same day?!


29 posted on 08/22/2012 10:22:35 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf
“Not to put too fine a line on it, but my impression is that “fusion based” nuclear power, when things go wrong, results in a melt down, but “Fission based” nuclear power, when things go wrong, results in a rather large, uh, “things go boom”.”

There are no commercially viable “fusion based” nuclear power plants. There probably will not be for another 50 years or so if ever. All nuclear power plants are currently “fission based” the newer designs are extremely safe. According to the article there will be enough fuel to power fission based reactors for thousands of years.

So called “cold fusion” or “low-energy nuclear reactions” (LENR) is still more in the realm of perpetual motion machines. Unfortunately, after several decades there still are no useful heat generators based on this process that have held up to full the scrutiny of the scientific community.

30 posted on 08/22/2012 10:24:01 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Original Reference from Oak Ridge National Labs

http://www.ornl.gov/info/press_releases/get_press_release.cfm?ReleaseNumber=mr20120821-00


31 posted on 08/22/2012 10:24:40 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: BuffaloJack

Actually I believe he bought a Defkalion unit (Rossi Competitor), because it make electricity directly.


32 posted on 08/22/2012 10:26:32 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Repeal Obamacare, the CITIZENSHIP TAX)
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To: techcor

Thorium would power us for another 5 million years EASY!


33 posted on 08/22/2012 10:34:12 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Sacajaweau
Nuclear power is safe....Tell that to the Russians...and the folks in Hiroshima.

I must have slept through a news cycle. What reactor was it that failed and caused harm to the people of Hiroshima?

34 posted on 08/22/2012 10:34:12 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.)
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To: BuffaloJack

A buddy took delivery of a Rossi-Focardi Nickel-Hydrogen fusion reactor a few weeks ago. He paid $4K for it and so far is satisfied. Why isn’t fusion being considered as a cheap energy source by this article?

And when it is all spent out he can sell the core for copper!


35 posted on 08/22/2012 10:35:37 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Zathras

“cold fusion” is more of a electrochemical reaction than a nuclear one.
It is not totally understood yet and it is interesting but the lack of neutron emissions indicates it is not fusion.

Fusion is the direction of the future. Just not an easy one to sustain for more than miliseconds.

Thorium Salt Fission is a far better idea which can be implemnteded a LOT sooner than Hot Fusion ever will be


36 posted on 08/22/2012 10:36:23 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

[ Nuclear power is safe....Tell that to the Russians...and the folks in Hiroshima.

I must have slept through a news cycle. What reactor was it that failed and caused harm to the people of Hiroshima? ]

Boiling water High Pressure reactors are just plain stuipid when we can have atmospheric pressure reactors that have chemically inert ionically bonded reactants with PASSIVE safety systems.


37 posted on 08/22/2012 10:38:01 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: fireman15

So true. A 10 gray source is fatal if you get a dose all at once, but just stand a few meters away and you will get a much lower dose.
For those interested, on YouTube you can watch the excellent made for TV movie “the day after” from 1983 in its entirety. Its a very nice depiction of a serious radiation situation and generally accurate.


38 posted on 08/22/2012 10:39:38 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/ - via iPhone from Tokyo.)
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To: BuffaloJack
He’s had it about 3 weeks. He’s gotten power from it and he’s run little tests with it, but it is mostly waiting for other hardware on order to make it useful. It needs a transfer switch and disconnect and some other stuff to be able to use it for his house. I figure he’ll have it done and running full time some time by the end of September.

There are three likely possibilities. 1. Your “friend” has been ripped off. 2. Your “friend” is trying to rip you off. 3. You and your “friend” are trying to rip other people off.

None of Rossi’s “E-Cat reactors” have been released and validated by third parties. It is always just a month or two away and then some new claim is made which they say they need to work on first. This has been going on for quite some time. I would love for you to prove me wrong.

39 posted on 08/22/2012 10:42:32 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: BuffaloJack

Actually I believe he bought a Defkalion unit (Rossi Competitor), because it make electricity directly.

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I wasn’t aware that Defkalion was selling products yet.

It doesn’t appear they are aware of it either:

http://www.defkalion-energy.com/products

The technology is currently in its final stages of becoming an industrialized and commercially viable prototype.


40 posted on 08/22/2012 10:43:40 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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