Posted on 08/23/2012 10:23:44 AM PDT by BerserkPatriot
Looking for a scope for an AR-15 for overall duty [for a ‘friend’] – medium range tasks to CQB
I’ve more or less narrowed it down the choice to a Red Dot or Holographic Sight: Aimpoint, Trijicon ACOG or EOTech
What are the pros and cons of those three basic types? [A Trijicon ACOG may be above the price point, for example]
Which one of those three would you recommend?
Are there ‘Copies’ of these products from other [US] manufacturers that are worth consideration?
Looking to narrow down the choices.
Solid copy on the 512 and AA batteries...
Hard not to like 7-11 resupply!
I had heard of ACOG sights, holographic, red-dot, etc., and I’ve played with a few at gun shows.
But, the hybrid was completely new to me. I had to look-up whether it really existed, or whether it was something they had invented for the game (though COD is usually pretty good about using real tech — at least before the next game, which is intentionally futuristic).
SnakeDoc
Agree on almost all of that, but BUIS on my red-dotted ARs is a must. I routinely practice stripping the optic off in a failure (ARMS QD mount) and flipping up the backup sights.
If you still have the eyes, practicing with backup iron sights is essential.
I have a Leatherwood CMR 1x to 4x on a Bushmaster m-4. I love the lighted reticle and when you put it on 1x the target acquisition is very fast. They run about $275 I think.
Can’t fault your choices! I use a Zeiss Diavari on my PGM long-range precision rifle...
If money is no object, go with the Elcan Specter, but you will, in all likliehood pay more for the unit than you did your rifle.
Mine has a Millet DMS? It can be used like a reflex in one power with or without the red circle and dot turned on so it is not useless like some when the battery is dead. It also can be turned up to 4 power for longer shots. Also the dot and circle is a calibrated moa size for range estimation and hold over.
http://www.millettsights.com/scopes/dms/
“but BUIS on my red-dotted ARs is a must”
I completely agree with you there. What if your batteries fail, and you can’t replace them? What if a (ok, REALLY a stretch here), EMP occurred?
I think you should have iron sights before anything, and learn to shoot with them.
I love my Troy Battle Sights.
ESPECIALLY if you spend less coin on a cheaper sight. I’ve used them casually and the mount or the electronics are FAR more prone to failure. MILSPEC does mean something.
I suppose it depends on what "medium range" is, but the ACOG is certainly capable all the way out to the 5.56 round's effective range.
I like the Trijicon Reflex series of sights, particularly the one with the triangular reticle. The entire glowing reticle works like a red dot in CQB, but you can sight-in for longer ranges using the uppermost tip of the triangle to more precisely select an aiming point.
Very nice sighting system. But the vast majority of us who own an AR or four will never have reason to use more than rudimentary sights, or a simple reflex with backup iron sights. I hand a laser on mine, because I might end up using them at night, but such lasers are good for only closer ranges anyway, and shooting ‘off-hand’. A really useful reflex, made in Georgia, USA can be purchased for under sixty bucks and will be more than adequate if sighted in properly with back up sights integrated into the sighting picture.
You mean you don't have pop-up illumination flares in the cleaning kit well in your ARs buttstock for just such an occurrence? That's why I don't recommend 'CAR' stocks to people: No cleaning kit well for your pop-up flares, waterproof matches, emergency bandages, gold coins, and presumably, some weed.
:-}
Also, the Tritium in your ACOG would work even better now that all the lights across the landscape have gone out. No background clutter or light pollution at all.
... and Mr. SJSAMPLE, you're merely inventing a purpose for your backup irons. Use the edge of the your top rail as an emergency sight in case a zombie knocks off your optic with a lucky swing.
I can’t agree with your comment about CAR stocks either.
The cleaning kit isn’t the thing I worry about, but a readily available cleaning rod is a must, for punching stuck cases out of the barrel. I carry mine banded to my handguards, no problem. Otherwise, a carbine stock lets the user adjust to fit armor, clothing or space. And the SOPMOD version has two tubes capable of holding FAR more than the standard A1/A2 stock.
BUIS units are cheap, plentiful and come in a variety of sizes and knowing how to use them. I’ve even been in competitions where failure of the primary optic and reversion to the backup is required.
My 'AR' is not my go-to rifle anyway.
Some folks swear by having BUIS, but when the discussion comes up I tend to ask people where is their bayonet and bayonet lug if they really insist on having backups.
My rig also has a Glock 19 and an ESEE-4 knife.
I also carry a pack of Lifesavers candy in my medkit. Just in case.
I’m backed-up on multiple levels.
What? No MRE’s mentioned?? :)
LOL, actually laid out some money some time ago on a nice tactical vest. Cross draw included for my S&W M&P 9mm 4.25.
Lot’s of places to stuff munchies too!
And weed.
Definitely weed.
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