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Evaluating Lehigh Defense Maximum Expansion solid copper bullets (VIDEO)
guns.com ^ | 30 August, 2012 | Max Slowik

Posted on 08/31/2012 6:00:43 PM PDT by marktwain

The good people at the Mousegun Addict blog have done some external ballistics testing with Lehigh Defense's Maximum Expansion bullets using water and Corbin SIM- TEST ballistic medium, and the results are positive but mixed. Suffice it to say not one of us would volunteer to be shot with this exotic ammunition.

This highly specialized ammo runs about $2 per cartridge, so tests are very welcome. Currently the Maximum Expansion line has offerings in .38 Special, .380 and .45 ACP, 9mm, .40 S&W and even subsonic .300 AAC Blackout.

Maximum Expansion ammunition uses a solid copper bullet that is machined to have a hollow cavity and four petals. As soon as the bullet begins to penetrate, the petals fold out perpendicular to the axis of the bullet out to about 90 degrees. The expansion is nothing short of amazing.

These bullets were fired from a .45 ACP Glock 36 and a converted 9mm Glock 27 and recovered from water. These pistols have short, 3.8-inch and 3.5-inch barrels, respectively, and yet expansion was perfect and complete with all samples. The .45 expanded to about 1.3 inches wide, which is just unheard of. Here is the video of the preliminary water jug test.

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TOPICS: Hobbies
KEYWORDS: ammunition; banglist; defense; lehigh
These bullets looked quite interesting. Good self defense ammo is already close to $1 a round. A box could last a decade, easily.

My caliper measured estimate of the expansion of the 9mm round (from the picture, using the .45 measurement given for scale) shows at .81 inches.

1 posted on 08/31/2012 6:00:54 PM PDT by marktwain
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I’d like to see some denim covered gel tests. This looks pretty impressive.


2 posted on 08/31/2012 6:12:10 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: marktwain

Still have a bunch of Black Talons. They open up in a similar manner.
All copper is a bit lighter than lead. Corbin has developed most of the defense bullets in use today.

Corbins.com


3 posted on 08/31/2012 6:13:10 PM PDT by alpo (What would Selco do?)
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Suffice it to say not one of us would volunteer to be shot with this exotic ammunition.

Yes no one is volunteering to be shot by this ammo.

Yes the expansion is impressive but given that you are going to give up mass and thus pounds of force by replacing lead with copper what are the advantages of this ammo over standard safety slugs.

4 posted on 08/31/2012 6:16:15 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: marktwain

Ouch! Those might sting a tad!


5 posted on 08/31/2012 6:18:23 PM PDT by ChoobacKY
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Interesting, I’d like to know what velocities they’re driving these at to get this expansion.

Sadly they probably won’t make it in my favorite caliber, .38 Super.


6 posted on 08/31/2012 6:19:08 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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There is definitely a trade off here. I use copper ammo in very short barrels since light rounds accelerate faster. Fast makes power and expansion possible. So for compact guns like .380s, 9mm, compact .45s or .357 this make sense. I don't get full acceleration of a heavy 230g in my short barrel Khar PM45. 165g has lower recoil which provides a much more accurate follow up shot.
7 posted on 08/31/2012 6:38:37 PM PDT by fuente
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To: marktwain

Glaser safety slugs silver is what I use out of my 44 SPL. IMHO it’s hard to beat.


8 posted on 08/31/2012 6:45:12 PM PDT by MCF
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To: fuente

Remington has been manufacturing a shotgun sabot slug based on this design for a number of years. Very effective.

(I just purchased a box of 5 “Accu-Tip” 12 gauge 3” shells for about $20. Very expensive but supposedly very accurate out beyond 200 yards at close to 2000 fps.)


9 posted on 08/31/2012 6:49:08 PM PDT by 2111USMC (aim small, miss small)
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To: marktwain

DRT comes in handgun calibers. Serious stuff with no/minimal collateral damage risks

http://drtammo.com/

One of the major concerns with any bullet is to achieve the maximum stopping power at the lowest possible caliber. Stopping power is the bullet’s ability to kill a target by means of ballistic injury. The DRT bullet possesses the power to kill quickly and inflicts massive damage in even its smallest versions. Even though the bullet does come apart, the ability to have a delayed expansion allows this particular bullet to go through light barriers before it expands. It does not act like traditional frangible ammo in the sense that lack of penetration has been the calling card of that type of ammo. We have effectively developed bullets that are penetrating and frangible.


10 posted on 08/31/2012 7:19:19 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: fuente
Thanks for the info.

It makes sense but I would like to see a ballistic analysis showing the advantages/disadvantages in muzzle velocity and impact energy of these slugs as compared to more traditional safety slugs.

This appears to be a great piece of engineering but I have yet to be convinced.

11 posted on 08/31/2012 7:41:41 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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marker


12 posted on 08/31/2012 10:02:58 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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Sick.

I’d like to see how these work on Taliban flesh...

Great for putting down rabid animals and zombies...


13 posted on 08/31/2012 10:57:51 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Just under 1,000fps


14 posted on 08/31/2012 10:58:42 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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