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Long Form Birth Certificate (LFBC) Forgery Detection for Dummies
SCRIBD ^ | 7/27/12 | Baron von Kluge

Posted on 09/03/2012 5:24:54 PM PDT by westcoastwillieg

Long Form Birth Certificate (LFBC) Forgery Detection for Dummies describes a technique that anyone with a modicum of computer knowledge can use. The LFBC test can be performed on a basic Windows computer—nothing is stored on the computer and no other software is required.

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KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; eligibility; forgery; naturalborncitizen; obama
Obama supporters have their knickers in a twist as the LFBC from Snopes (who claimed it's autentic) was used for the test.
1 posted on 09/03/2012 5:25:01 PM PDT by westcoastwillieg
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To: westcoastwillieg

I downloaded the LFBC from the White House website on the day they released it and used Adobe Illustrator to separate out the layers. I’m no genius and don’t claim that I discovered the technique by any means, but when people began posting the method of using Illustrator to break down the document into it’s component parts I was able to do the test myself and confirm that their assertions were legitimate.

There is absolutely zero chance that the LFBC produced by the white house is a scan of a legitimate document.


3 posted on 09/03/2012 5:58:55 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad ((((( )))))
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To: Two Kids' Dad
99% of the anomalies stem back to the fact that the ORIGINAL was photographed and the negative stored as microfiche for many years.

The microfiche was then digitally scanned and stored.

That digital image was used to print on security paper.

At some point someone scanned the security paper and created a new digital image.

No doubt you can find all sorts of things ~ virtually ever birth certificate in America was subjected to a similar process shortly after the microfiche process was marketed in the 1960s.

4 posted on 09/03/2012 6:14:45 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: westcoastwillieg

The left has been sweating this for years....Obama would not have spent millions to prevent people form accessing his Birth Cert

The real problem with Obama Eligibility have been those supposedly on “our side”..people like Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Michelle Malkin, Laura Ingraham, etc etc...who have basically been helping Obama on this issue by attacking “Birthers”. They think the size of Michelle Obama’s backside is more important than the eligibility of her husband as President

By now, especially after Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his Posse have stated that the Birth Cert released in 2011 is a fraud....if you are not an Obama Birther by now...you are probably an Obama Supporter


5 posted on 09/03/2012 6:33:15 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (When is Fox News gonna fire Karl Rove?)
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To: westcoastwillieg
How can a PDF file be a legitimate birth certificate in the first place?

You can't use a PDF file to get a passport, can you?

6 posted on 09/03/2012 6:54:49 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: muawiyah

99% of the anomalies stem back to the fact that the ORIGINAL was photographed and the negative stored as microfiche for many years.
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So, explain why the Nordyke twins certified BC copy is in what we all expect and recognize as the conventional reverse microfiche format? They were born extremely close in time to the alleged birth of Obama. I’m waiting - - -


7 posted on 09/03/2012 6:58:12 PM PDT by iontheball
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To: SeminoleCounty
The real problem with Obama Eligibility have been those supposedly on “our side”..people like Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Michelle Malkin, Laura Ingraham, etc etc...who have basically been helping Obama on this issue by attacking “Birthers”. They think the size of Michelle Obama’s backside is more important than the eligibility of her husband as President
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The only conclusion rational minds can draw from all of this is that there is something extremely weird going on in this country. There is no other way to describe it. Here we sit moving toward the November and everyone sits around criticizing Obama’s last four years as if his past actions were those of a legitimate president. I am certain all the politicians know by now that he is not legitimate. The gag order on the media and conservative talk is in a complete lock down. All the judges, law enforcement (except Joe Arpaio), and politicians absolutely refuse to talk about it. What could give rise to such lunatic behavior. No one will address Obama's legally fatal defects. They act as though the Constitutional eligibility requirements do not matter. Their contempt and deliberate disregard for the Constitution is inexcusable and constitutes treason.

8 posted on 09/03/2012 7:20:02 PM PDT by iontheball
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To: iontheball
The real problem with Obama Eligibility have been those supposedly on “our side”..people like Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Michelle Malkin, Laura Ingraham, etc etc...who have basically been helping Obama on this issue by attacking “Birthers”.

My gut reaction to this is the "George Soros Capture the Media thru Threats and Intimidation" ploy...but ALL of them??? All? Someone has to walk off the threat stage to stand up.

9 posted on 09/03/2012 7:25:26 PM PDT by IrishPennant (Are you behind a "Blade of Grass?")
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To: iontheball

Did anyone ever give any sort of explanation for the penciled-in number 9’s that are in two of the spaces? I read that a retired worker said that those were a code that indicated the spaces were left blank, but in the released long form birth certificate they were, in fact, filled in. This was evidence of fraud. I haven’t found O-bots address this.


10 posted on 09/03/2012 7:40:46 PM PDT by ReagansShinyHair
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To: All

Rush made a short comment on the birther issue a few days ago, but it was followed by a comment on something about he’s said enough.

They are being muted. I pray for the day when we all know the reason for it.


11 posted on 09/03/2012 8:31:31 PM PDT by Exit148
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To: iontheball
You missed those half dozen threads where the Nordyke BCs were dissected and discussed at length and apparent anomalies in the Obamugabe BC were matched against the same, or variations of the same anomalies in the Nordyke ~ copies as I recall ~ obtained BEFORE the age of fiche and/or modern microfilm.

Again, what you see coming from Obamugabe or his running dog lackeys (in terms of the so-called LF BC) is derived from a modern digital dataset that shows what was in the microfiche, which in turn shows you what was in the original page/book created way back when (late 1960s at the earliest)

Then there's this thought ~ certainly with access to the full array of talented forgers and criminals at the KGB, Obamugabe's forged LF BC has to be PERFECTLY in tune with all the others in that file!

12 posted on 09/04/2012 4:53:49 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

99% of the anomalies stem back to the fact that the ORIGINAL was photographed and the negative stored as microfiche for many years.

THERE IS NO ORIGINAL.

That’s the problem!


13 posted on 09/04/2012 6:01:06 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Beckwith
The original looks remarkably like the other original copies fished up from that period.

As I said, when your master forgers in the KGB went to work on this they were very good and very thorough.

14 posted on 09/04/2012 7:36:21 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

You could not be more wrong in your #4.

Please show how you can scan any similar document and get similar layer characteristics. (number of layers/color characteristics/# of bits/grouping of objects/red-blue shift/pixel size).


15 posted on 09/04/2012 11:40:20 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: muawiyah

You could not be more wrong in your #4.

Please show how you can scan any similar document and get similar layer characteristics. (number of layers/color characteristics/# of bits per layer/grouping of objects/red-blue shift (absent)/pixel size).


16 posted on 09/04/2012 11:40:59 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Triple
Having had years and years of experience using all sorts of scanners with all sorts of drivers, and involving all sorts of materials, let me tell you this about that, depending on the device, the drivers AND the material being scanned you will get just all sorts of things.
17 posted on 09/04/2012 11:42:31 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Yes - there are many combinations of results you may get, depending on the scanning options/set-up.

However - you *WILL NOT* get a result similar to the WHLFCOLB.PDF.

The combination of artifacts in the WHLFCOLB.PDF is not possible with a legit COLOR scan of a paper original.

If you think you can - post the PDF and the process/settings you used to generate it. Pretty simple...


18 posted on 09/04/2012 11:52:23 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: iontheball
The Nordyke BCs were printed from photostatic copy, not from fiche. To make fiche most of your big vendors and file management companies went to the original documents and re-filmed them.

When you used high quality B&W document quality film you didn't have a pixalated matrix ~ rather, you had a random array of microdots.

Once technology allowed us to go to electronic image storage and retrieval, the original documents might have been scanned or re-imaged in a pixalated matrix, and if they weren't available they'd scan the fiche.

You could do a xerox copy of an original document and have a digital print made of the pixalated original stored in electronic compatible media, then overlay them, and probably not immediately see the difference. That's because both systems can yield copy perfectly acceptable to human vision. However, if you magnified the image at some point you'd see the matrix, and see the pixals, and they'd be different (presuming you used equipment made by different companies).

Now, scan that ~ it'll show anomalies that were otherwise invisible to you. They are called ARTIFACTS OF THE PROCESS

19 posted on 09/04/2012 11:53:11 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Triple
Simply change the light source, the intensity, the temperature and the humidity. Now, put that piece of paper in a near vacuum and accelerate to about 90 mph in a few milliseconds.

Figure how how to read your address.

There are scanning systems out there you can't even imagine.

20 posted on 09/04/2012 11:58:16 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Then post it...

Many experts have looked at this, the combination of artifacts in that file preclude the possibility that it was created from a scan of a paper document.

You could be rich and famous if you can do it...


21 posted on 09/04/2012 12:09:32 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Triple
The original paper document created back in 1960 may be in a landfill near the hospital. Go dig it up eh!

We are dealing with competing technologies ~ photography ~ and - digital imaging.

Photostats, microfilm, microfiche, and photos are based on old fashioned late 18th century technology. Xerography ~ including most of the digital scanning technology ~ and your typical digital or laser printer all rely on pixel.

Regarding paper, you might think it is smooth ~ but it's actually quite fibrous and it absorbs different amounts of humidity from the air at different points and ends up being quite rough textured at the degree of fineness detectable with your typical scanners these days.

So, you are comparing apples and oranges ~ both of which were used in controlling birth certificates and other public records ~ and then you are demanding a level of performance out of some quite ordinary low acid paper for a very long time ~

Whatever these guys are telling you about one or the other types of scanning, find out how it performs with different sorts of paper, under different light, and different temperature and humidity.

22 posted on 09/04/2012 12:30:09 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Triple
BTW, a number of better known and more experienced experts who regularly post on FR have also examined the issues raised about scanning and given you a different sort of answer.

You really need to read the stuff on FR going back 4 years ~ lots of good stuff there ~

23 posted on 09/04/2012 12:32:30 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I keep up - thanks.

Use a similar color document - say a cancelled check, cut away the parts with scissors that you want to keep private. You don’t need the actual certificate to duplicate the scanning artifacts present.

Scan the document and post the PDF noting the settings and procedures you used to create it. I’m telling you - if you have the knowhow to actually shut down the “birthers” you are going to be as rich and famous as you want to be.


24 posted on 09/04/2012 1:05:42 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: muawiyah

So we are clear - You contend that the WHLFCOLB.PDF is a true color scan of a paper copy of a document that was originally created with a printed form with typewritten and hand written text added.

You also contend that you can duplicate the characteristics of the file WHLFCOLB.PDF such as layering, color abberations (absent), grouping of content in layers by logical text, bit characteristics of layers, green and black handwritten text, pixel size differences, exact duplicate letters, different size letters, masking characteristics (layer monckton findings) and white halo effect.

Wow - if I read you right, you are amazing. Please show us!


25 posted on 09/04/2012 1:31:00 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Triple
All of that is irrelevant. I already gave you the only clue you deserve ~ the very best forgers in the KGB can duplicate everything exactly ~ everything.

The best ones working for the CIA can do the same thing.

Trying to read the augers in modern scanning systems is as fruitless a pursuit as it can be.

26 posted on 09/04/2012 1:42:37 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Beckwith

With you on that. None exists.


27 posted on 09/04/2012 1:54:15 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (63 days)
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To: muawiyah

Nice change of subject.

The “best” would have done a better job - I agree. But, Obama could only find a forger among his closest circle of trust. That is why/how the crude forgery, came to existence. Obama could not trust “the best to keep his secret.”

I know some of the people you are talking about. They are sad about the whole thing.

You have your clue in return - don’t BS me.


28 posted on 09/04/2012 1:58:30 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: westcoastwillieg

Was it last week or is it this week that Donald Trump is supposed to be releasing some earth-shattering news?


29 posted on 09/04/2012 2:00:02 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: Triple
Birth certificates are initiated by the board of health just about everywhere. They are not designed to be Bearer Bonds with a $200,000,000 valuation, so they are handled accordingly from the time the information is taken, until the data documents are signed, when they are filed with the office where they have to be filed, and right on through until the data on the forms is entered into a data system.

Until recent times the handling was next to casual ~ so whatever went on back in 1960 in Hawaii is as good a guess as any and we had numerous people come up with Hawaii BCs from that time, and from more recently.

Hawaii had a reputation for being super laid back with everything, so you'll need to take that up with them ~ not me.

You can believe you've found a crude forgery ~ it is as crude as a real forgery!

I'm sorry, I"ve reviewed millions of government forms with the statement "$10,000 fine or imprisonment" to believe that ordinary people under ordinary circumstances give a d....d. Unless you get a court case going no higher standards are required than "ordinary care".

America, as it turns out, is not a police state ~ not even in the maternity wards!

30 posted on 09/04/2012 2:39:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Gee thanks for the story...

I can’t help but think you are off your rocker.


31 posted on 09/04/2012 3:16:24 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Triple

Well, you are free to think whatever you think, but at the same time I KNOW you are off your rocker.


32 posted on 09/04/2012 3:56:07 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I know you are but what am I? (Really? Who are you pee wee herman?)


33 posted on 09/04/2012 4:52:20 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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