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George Zimmerman judge rejected 'stand your ground' claim in other murder case
Orlando Sentinel ^ | September 5, 2012 | Rene Stutzman

Posted on 09/06/2012 3:00:08 PM PDT by kanawa

SANFORD — In May, Circuit Judge Debra Nelson, who has taken over the George Zimmerman murder case, rejected the "stand your ground" claim of a 21-year-old Sanford man who was charged with murder.

A month later, a Seminole County jury acquitted him.

That case, Florida v. Kishawn Jones, is important because it could signal what's ahead for Zimmerman, the 28-year-old Neighborhood Watch volunteer who killed Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black 17-year-old.

Zimmerman is expected to use Florida's "stand your ground" law to try to clear himself. Passed by the Florida Legislature in 2005, the law grants immunity to anyone who uses deadly force if he has a reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily injury.

Zimmerman says he killed Trayvon in self-defense on a rainy February evening in a Sanford gated community after he spotted the Miami Gardens teenager and called the police, describing him as suspicious.

Since Trayvon's death, there has been an influx of "stand your ground" motions in Seminole County.

"We never had them before the Trayvon Martin-George Zimmerman case," said Assistant State Attorney John Mannion Jr. "Now, they're getting to be routine."

Nelson is the judge who must decide whether Zimmerman deserves immunity. To date, she has held one "stand your ground" hearing — in the case of Jones, a homeless Sanford man who was charged with second-degree murder.

He shot and killed a close friend, 28-year-old Leonard Boone, at a Sanford apartment complex in June 2011 in a dispute over a cheap gun and $20.

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KEYWORDS: zimmerman

1 posted on 09/06/2012 3:00:13 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: kanawa

If criminals would figure out that it’s a “bad idea” to attack an armed “victim”, there wouldn’t be so many “Stand your Ground” cases, would there?


2 posted on 09/06/2012 3:03:22 PM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: kanawa

They are not using the stand your ground defense and the cases aren’t even similar.


3 posted on 09/06/2012 3:05:54 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: kanawa
Kishawn Jones from Mugshots.com

If 'Stand your ground' was good enough for him it should be good enough for 'white' George Zimmerman.

4 posted on 09/06/2012 3:10:03 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." Hussein Obama, Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009)
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To: kanawa
Kishawn Jones from Mugshots.com

If 'Stand your ground' was good enough for him it should be good enough for 'white' George Zimmerman.

5 posted on 09/06/2012 3:10:10 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." Hussein Obama, Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009)
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To: kanawa

Z was on the ground, with a big mother on top of him, banging his head against the concrete. ‘Stand Your Ground’ does not apply and is unnecessary if you have no means of escape.


6 posted on 09/06/2012 3:16:05 PM PDT by expat2
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To: Sacajaweau
They are not using the stand your ground defense and the cases aren’t even similar.

The "stand your ground" defense and the Florida "stand your ground" law are two different things. The law provides for a preliminary hearing in which the judge can throw the whole case out (civil included) if the preponderance of the evidence indicates the defendant acted in self defense. It is not necessary to assert the defense in order to claim the right to the hearing.

7 posted on 09/06/2012 3:18:16 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: kanawa
This judge appears to be a mental case. Seems like we have an abundance of these lame sick judges that have saturated the system. Newt was right, we need to clean up the system by booting them out.
8 posted on 09/06/2012 3:20:54 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Sacajaweau

Why do they keep taliking about “stand your ground” when Zimmerman shot from the ground? You aren’t “standing” when you’re off your feet.


9 posted on 09/06/2012 3:28:14 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: cynwoody

If that’s the case, then it’s a highly misleadingly named law.


10 posted on 09/06/2012 3:29:52 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: kanawa

Not all self defense in Florida is Stand Your Ground related, right? SYG doesn’t seem to apply to Zimmerman, because he wasn’t at at his house etc.


11 posted on 09/06/2012 4:05:49 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Stand your ground doesn’t relate because George Zimmerman did not pull his gun while he was standing. George Zimmerman did not have the option of turning his back and walking away because Trayvon Martin was sitting on top of him.


12 posted on 09/06/2012 4:08:52 PM PDT by Eva
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To: kanawa

Actually, Zimmerman’s defense would be well advised to not use SYG, because the fastest way to kill a law is to overuse it when other laws are more appropriate.

In this case, based on the evidence, Zimmerman walks with a self-defense defense. It is pretty open and shut. The autopsy of Martin was inconclusive as to their relative positions, but could have happened in only two ways:

either they were calmly facing each other, Zimmerman raised his gun to heart level and shot, which is unlikely, or it is as he said, that Martin tackled him.


13 posted on 09/06/2012 4:19:48 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

His attorney has said it ten times in the last month....They will not use stand your ground....it’s strictly a “self-defense” case.


14 posted on 09/06/2012 4:42:26 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: kanawa

No comparison of the two cases.


15 posted on 09/06/2012 6:01:39 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Sacajaweau
FR thread...

Zimmerman defense lawyers won't argue 'stand-your-ground' in Florida shooting case

16 posted on 09/06/2012 6:03:56 PM PDT by kanawa
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My post in the comments section...

Two questions to the author.

Why are you attempting to frame this as a SYG case when the defense has clearly stated it will be presenting a traditional self-defense argument?

and...

Do you think referring to TM by his first name while only using GZ’s full or last name shows bias on your part?


17 posted on 09/06/2012 6:22:00 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: South40
If 'Stand your ground' was good enough for him it should be good enough for 'white' George Zimmerman.

"If" #



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18 posted on 09/06/2012 6:48:45 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: kanawa

Can someone explain to me why Zimmerman even *wants* to cite the Stand Your Ground law? It seems to me much more a straight case of self defense. Zim *couldn’t* leave if he wanted to because Trayvon was on his chest. Why isn’t this just self defense?


19 posted on 09/06/2012 10:54:31 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert ( "Be Breitbart, baby!")
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To: kanawa

Here — post this:

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-09-07/news/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-school-records-20120907_1_trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-mark-o-mara

It’s about time they were subpoenaed.


20 posted on 09/07/2012 8:06:34 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: kanawa; Uncle Chip

Never mind — I got it:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2927908/posts


21 posted on 09/07/2012 8:50:29 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

Dismissal via a “stand your ground hearing” (as opposed to SYG defense strategy) gives immunity from civil proceedings. SYG as a defense in this case is not applicable. The SYG hearing is valuable to shield Zimmerman from civil liabilities for defending himself is extremely valuable.


22 posted on 09/07/2012 8:57:17 AM PDT by MortMan (Laughter is the best medicine, especially when ridiculing your enemies.)
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To: MortMan

What a cogent response! Thank you.


23 posted on 09/07/2012 10:17:34 AM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert ( "Be Breitbart, baby!")
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To: expat2
If Zimmerman was on the ground, with a big mother on top of him, who was banging his head against the concrete, why did he have only two little itty-bitty wounds?

More important, how did he defy gravity? The blood flowed, not onto the ground as would be expected, but into his mustache.


24 posted on 09/07/2012 10:52:32 AM PDT by Beach_Babe
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To: Beach_Babe
The treating EMTs said GZ had a lot of blood on roughly 40% of his head. Your “how did he defy gravity” comment is just plain stuipd. They cleaned him up at the scene. Even so he continued to bleed at the police station were this photo was taken.
25 posted on 09/07/2012 11:33:17 AM PDT by ironman
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To: MortMan

[[Dismissal via a “stand your ground hearing” (as opposed to SYG defense strategy) gives immunity from civil proceedings]]

That’s true, however, I doubt that due to media and pressure from the black comunity that zimmerman can get a fair judgement in a stand your grouind hearing- and as pointed out this judge seems biased agaisnt the SYG arguments- perhaps george’s lawyer can get this judge thrown off the case too if the judge doesn’t rule strictly accordign to the facts and if it becoems apparent the judge is using bias over the stricter letter of the law-

Hopefully this can be thrown out in a hearing which will give george the right to sue all those who brought false accusations/arrests against him and sue those who issued death warrents agaisnt him etc and sue the woman prosecutor for prosecutorial; misconduct


26 posted on 09/08/2012 10:57:49 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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