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The FINAL Answer: 9mm v. 45! A Doctor Explains Wound Ballistics
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Posted on 09/07/2012 8:30:03 PM PDT by ExSoldier

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To: Figment

Word...Best compromise available.

I also like that the ammo is less expensive. I can practice more, making it more likely that I would hit a critical area if ever the need arose.


61 posted on 09/07/2012 10:44:19 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: DesertRhino

The kick in your hand when firing is about what smacks into your target. Now the pain and destruction it causes is a different matter. But knockdown power isn’t really what takes a person down. Pain, blood loss, losing consciousness, inability to move properly, that is what does it.


62 posted on 09/07/2012 10:45:50 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Mr Rogers

That doesn’t sound right. You can really wind up and wallop someone and knock them down with a bat.


63 posted on 09/07/2012 10:48:41 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: ExSoldier

I use this posting as a reference:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/849728/posts


64 posted on 09/07/2012 10:48:51 PM PDT by where's_the_Outrage? (Holding my nose to vote.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
I lost a spleen, a kidney, broke 3 ribs (one that went and played in the chest cavity), a vert, and they pumped 17 units of blood into me. 2 weeks in ICU and trauma care. Fun times. Only took 6 months to walk again.

I was actually sorta upset that I lived through it. I had done the hard part. And come to peace, on the side of the mountain, during the blizzard, alone, with just me and Jesus.

Slip fall from a 5 foot drop, onto a pointy sorta rock, left side. Don't do that.

/johnny

65 posted on 09/07/2012 10:49:00 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Mr Rogers

From your own article.

“The potential force transmitted from a bat to the tibia at the time of collision is 8,000 lb, three times that of the bullet 626 lb.”

8000/626=3 (hmmmmm?)

Think of a bat as about a 20,000 grain bullet traveling close to 300 fps. 1/2 mass x velocity squared.
NO pistol bullet comes remotely close to a Louisville slugger signature edition.

Anyone expecting a 45 or any pistol bullet to “knock down” anyone is in for a sad wake up call. Pain, fear, surprise and CNS damage may cause someone to go down immediately. But “knockdown” as in raw knockdown power is pure fiction. Its pure Hollywood.


66 posted on 09/07/2012 10:49:11 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Rodney Dangerfield

I’m lucky I am pretty ambidextrous when it comes to firearms.


67 posted on 09/07/2012 10:49:46 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“The kick in your hand when firing is about what smacks into your target”

Precisely. And that 45 acp recoil is orders of magnitude less that a baseball bat full-on to the chest. The bat just doesnt penetrate.

People have been conditioned by decades of hit movies featuring the cop shot and falling unconscious. Wr all think he’s dead. Then SURPRISE, our hero wakes up and shows he was wearing a vest!!
You tube is full of guys shooting theirself in the chest with a 45 to demo a vest.

The impact without penetration is minor.


68 posted on 09/07/2012 10:56:35 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino
The impact without penetration is minor.

Show me, hero. Using yourself as a demo.

I've suffered blunt trauma, and the surgeon said I looked like a gut-shot deer inside.

Your math is suspect. Baseball bat, .22, or .45 to the chest (with a flak jacket, which hasn't been established) is going to leave you off your game. Without a flak jacket, is likely to leave you dead.

/johnny

69 posted on 09/07/2012 11:04:03 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ExSoldier

34 minutes long....not gonna bother


70 posted on 09/07/2012 11:05:15 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: ExSoldier

MARK


71 posted on 09/07/2012 11:51:29 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: ExSoldier

Bullet placement is everything. Optic cranial zone.


72 posted on 09/08/2012 1:34:57 AM PDT by midway1 (Inside every liberal is an American trying to get out)
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To: 3Fingas

“Less recoil, more bullet capacity gives an edge to the trained shooter using 9mm.”

This comes into play if the bad guy is armored like the North Hollywood bank robbers and a headshot is required.

Another advantage of the 9mm that a lot of folks miss is that the .45 loses a LOT of critical velocity when used in very short barreled concealment handguns. The lighter/faster hollowpoints tend to expand more reliably in those applications.


73 posted on 09/08/2012 3:35:25 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: hope

Read “Incident in Miami” by Masaad Ayoob.


74 posted on 09/08/2012 3:53:05 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: wjcsux

They also were haveing trouble stopping them with the 30-40 Krag. Drugged up people are just plain tough to stop.

It was the 45 long colt cailber used in the Philippines

Dosen’t mean the 45acp was that much better.


75 posted on 09/08/2012 3:54:59 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: DesertRhino

I agree that no bullet knocks a man down by energy, any more than it does a deer. A deer goes down based on what part the bullet hits.


76 posted on 09/08/2012 3:55:13 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberalism: "Ex faslo quodlibet" - from falseness, anything follows)
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To: wastoute

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout

Ayoob notes that Platt was shot in the Pulmonary Artery as he exited the vehicle with a 9 mm. He went on to kill a number of folks after receiving this wound. Ayoob felt that had that round been a .45 the fight would have been over right there. ‘Nuff said.


77 posted on 09/08/2012 4:02:47 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Mr Rogers

There is a thing called “Momentum”. How fast is the energy of the bullet transferred to the target. I shot a doe with my 12 gauge broadside in the engine room with a 3 inch 00 mag. a few years back from less than ten feet. She just stopped midstride and fell down. I suspect that the same impact WITHOUT penetration to spread the impact out over time, such as if she had been wearing armor, would probably have knocked her off her feet.


78 posted on 09/08/2012 4:06:08 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: mnehring

I carry a PPK also, got it loaded with Hornady Critical Defense ammo. It was built to pass the FBI shooting specs, and will handle pretty much any situation thrown at ya!


79 posted on 09/08/2012 4:41:30 AM PDT by Bottom_Gun (Crush depth dummy - proud NRA member & Certified Instructor)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Not that I would question your veracity, but I’d like to hear more about the Jumbo that you mention. I have a hard enough time dispatching ground squirrels with shorts.


80 posted on 09/08/2012 5:43:20 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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