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WHAT IS AN ACT OF WAR?

Posted on 09/12/2012 5:58:58 AM PDT by 7thson

Question for those with more smarts than me - is acting an embassy, consulate, or killing an ambassador an act of war? If so, where can I get confirmation on that? Thank you in advance.


TOPICS: AMERICA - The Right Way!!; Chit/Chat; History; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 911ii; ambassador; embassy; islam; war

1 posted on 09/12/2012 5:59:02 AM PDT by 7thson
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To: 7thson
The American consulate is sovereign U.S. territory.

An attack on the embassy is exactly the same as an attack on our mainland soil.

2 posted on 09/12/2012 6:03:47 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: 7thson

Obama denigrates the beliefs of Christians all the time. Anyway, its the First Amendment, Free Speech. This is an attack on the First Amendment, orchestrated by the White House. It cost Ambassador Chris Stevens his life.


3 posted on 09/12/2012 6:04:21 AM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: 7thson

Since the killing was done by Muzzies there can be no declaration of war.


4 posted on 09/12/2012 6:05:20 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningfull to say)
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To: 7thson

America, one notch lower under Obama. All part of his plan to reduce America. See the movie 2016.


5 posted on 09/12/2012 6:05:53 AM PDT by Obadiah (The Hunger Games -- Obama's vision for America)
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To: 7thson

Arch-duke Ferdinand was unavailable for comment.


6 posted on 09/12/2012 6:06:03 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: 7thson

Bruce Herschensohn, Former Dep. Special Asst. under Nixon, told the Friends this morning—these are all acts of war.


7 posted on 09/12/2012 6:06:55 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: 7thson

Yes, and I’m sure empty chair will come out any minute and blame former President Bush for starting it.


8 posted on 09/12/2012 6:07:07 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: vanilla swirl

I declared war on all of them, on 9-12-01.


9 posted on 09/12/2012 6:07:33 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Liberals, democrats & unions - and all leftist scum - are like bacteria: attack, attack, attack!)
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To: 7thson

Difficult to get a straight answer from anyone these years—and, I for one tend to disbelieve anything the “experts” (basterds) say!

Anyway...some food for thought.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution

Semper Watching!
*****


10 posted on 09/12/2012 6:10:01 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: carriage_hill

Wow.. I am glad to see you had the self-control to wait a day.

/just funning ya!


11 posted on 09/12/2012 6:11:47 AM PDT by ro_dreaming (G.K. Chesterton, “Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It’s been found hard and lef)
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To: carriage_hill

I was a day ahead of you.


12 posted on 09/12/2012 6:11:47 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: carriage_hill

Wow.. I am glad to see you had the self-control to wait a day.

/just funning ya!


13 posted on 09/12/2012 6:11:52 AM PDT by ro_dreaming (G.K. Chesterton, “Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It’s been found hard and lef)
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To: carriage_hill
I declared war on all of them, on 9-12-01.

And why the heck are we sending these animalistic killers financial aid? We shouldn't be doing anything at all for them. They're obviously not the least bit grateful for anything we've ever done for them. If they're not going to be U.S. friendly, screw them. Let them eat each other. Enough already!

14 posted on 09/12/2012 6:13:21 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: gunnyg
The State Department is now calling them terrorists.....not Muslim terrorists..just terrorists..but that takes the blame off of Lybia
15 posted on 09/12/2012 6:14:17 AM PDT by Youngman542012
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To: 7thson
In 1982 the Israelis launched the “Peace for the Galilee” war against the PLO in South Lebanon after they almost killed the Israeli Ambassador in London. A response like that should be carried out against those responsible for this barbaric act of war, problem is - who is responsible? Extreme, extreme Muslims or extreme, extreme, extreme Muslims or just your average extreme Muslim or even, nay, a so-called, “Moderate Muslim”...not sure.
16 posted on 09/12/2012 6:14:58 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: 7thson

Obama would be in a fix, since he isn’t a real POTUS he cannot declare war. If he did he would go to prison for ordering murder.

But then again, who would prosecute him?

Nobody will because they have no balls.


17 posted on 09/12/2012 6:14:58 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: 7thson

(To answer your question, prepare for unsatisfactory diplomatic gobbledegook.)

“In the post World War Two era, the UN Charter prohibits signatory countries from engaging in war except:

1) As a means of defending themselves against aggression; or,

2) Unless the UN as a body has given prior approval to the operation. The UN also reserves the right to ask member nations to intervene against non-signatory countries which embark on wars of aggression.

In effect, this means that countries in the modern era must have a plausible casus belli for initiating military action, or risk UN sanctions or intervention.”

More to the point, what you are interested in is the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations (1961)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Convention_on_Diplomatic_Relations

“Article 22. The premises of a diplomatic mission, such as an embassy, are inviolate and must not be entered by the host country except by permission of the head of the mission. Furthermore, the host country must protect the mission from intrusion or damage...”

“Concerning compulsory settlement of disputes. Disputes arising from the interpretation of this treaty may be brought before the International Court of Justice.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Court_of_Justice

“The International Court of Justice, also known as World Court or ICJ is the primary judicial organ of the United Nations. It is based in the Peace Palace in The Hague, the Netherlands. Its main functions are to settle legal disputes submitted to it by states and to provide advisory opinions on legal questions submitted to it by duly authorized international organs, agencies, and the UN General Assembly.”

“After the court ruled that the U.S.’s covert war against Nicaragua was in violation of international law (Nicaragua v. United States), the United States withdrew from compulsory jurisdiction in 1986.

“The United States accepts the court’s jurisdiction only on a case-by-case basis. Chapter XIV of the United Nations Charter authorizes the UN Security Council to enforce World Court rulings. However, such enforcement is subject to the veto power of the five permanent members of the Council.”


18 posted on 09/12/2012 6:15:33 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: 7thson
ABC News ran with the murder of the US Ambassador as their top story, immediately followed by a story claiming Obama is now over 50% approval for the first time in the campaign.

I can't see straight right now.

19 posted on 09/12/2012 6:15:55 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: 7thson

An act of war is when your President supports the Muslim Brotherhood.


20 posted on 09/12/2012 6:16:15 AM PDT by badpacifist (An act of war is when your President supports the Muslim Brotherhood)
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To: DuncanWaring

On 9-11, I was too busy w/ civilian rescue ops in NY Harbor and swearing at the subhuman muzzie filth. I waiting ‘til Wed night to formally declare war. heh.


21 posted on 09/12/2012 6:17:28 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Liberals, democrats & unions - and all leftist scum - are like bacteria: attack, attack, attack!)
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To: ro_dreaming

LOL.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2929843/posts?page=21#21


22 posted on 09/12/2012 6:19:05 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Liberals, democrats & unions - and all leftist scum - are like bacteria: attack, attack, attack!)
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To: Eye of Unk
Obama cannot launch any war because he received the Nobel Prize for Peace after he did...nothing so it would look really bad if a Nobel Prize Laureate would declare war on anybody at any time and do not forget, they told us we are “war weary”. That is why he is ignoring the scared Israelis request to declare some kind of line in the sand with Iran. Defending the US and her Western allies goes against the very grain of Barry's existence, against the very fiber of his being so, sit tight folks, we are heading for tough times...
23 posted on 09/12/2012 6:20:08 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: concerned about politics

My eyes are squirting blood at what the treasonous 0bummer has done to enable our enemies, once again...


24 posted on 09/12/2012 6:20:44 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Liberals, democrats & unions - and all leftist scum - are like bacteria: attack, attack, attack!)
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To: 7thson

I don’t know about an act of war, but I think the intel was there these attacks were going to happen. But Obama was so looking forward to his meeting with that Limp Pimp, you know, the one that “introduced” Barry to his wife, that Obama skipped the intelligence briefing (first time EVER).

With Americans murdered, and Obama doing nothing to help, I would say he is complicit in their murders.


25 posted on 09/12/2012 6:21:17 AM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: carriage_hill
Dammit:


26 posted on 09/12/2012 6:23:06 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Liberals, democrats & unions - and all leftist scum - are like bacteria: attack, attack, attack!)
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To: carriage_hill

In that case, your delay is justifiable. ;-)


27 posted on 09/12/2012 6:24:54 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Eye of Unk
Obama would be in a fix, since he isn’t a real POTUS he cannot declare war.

"Declaration of War" is a function allocated to Congress, per Article I Section 8 of the Constitution.

28 posted on 09/12/2012 6:27:22 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: 7thson
Hillary Clinton boast on Gaddafi: 'We came, we saw, he died'...

Now look at what we have.

Can't you just smell the fresh blooming flowers, hear the colorful birds singing, and feel the warmth of the new, shining sun? Thank goodness Oboma and Hillary bought us this new and wonderful Muslim spring. Before their brilliant policies, all we had over there were uneducated, radical, inhumane, blood thirsty killers. My, how things have cha...............never mind.

29 posted on 09/12/2012 6:33:24 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: 7thson

The house should immediately initiate authorization for President Obama to respond militarily to these attacks. I don’t believe they need to wait for the president to come to them.


30 posted on 09/12/2012 6:56:47 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: 7thson
Yes but we are at war and have been at war with radical Islam. Its amazing to me how many folks on both the left and right can not conceive of the fact that this is a fight to the death we win or they win.

There is no taking our ball and going home...

31 posted on 09/12/2012 6:57:42 AM PDT by montanajoe (Blame Flame Shame or Beg I won't vote for R/R)
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To: mnehring

His minions are out attacking Romney for critizing the *resident during “a time of war”.


32 posted on 09/12/2012 7:08:00 AM PDT by PogySailor (Obama is a SCOAMF)
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To: PogySailor

His “minions” can go F themselves.


33 posted on 09/12/2012 7:10:04 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: concerned about politics

I am ready for, and would assist in anyway, for the smell of freshly made of mid-eastern glass!!!


34 posted on 09/12/2012 7:15:26 AM PDT by 56newblog (Registered Islamophobe)
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To: servantboy777

We ( or any nation ) can declare war, but on whom?

This appears to be a well organized gang, no one that I know of has said that this is state sponsored (or by Egypt, Libya, Iran, etc.). We we have information that it was sponsored by a nation, then let’s roll.

We did not declare war on Germany during the Reagan administration when the disco in Germany was bombed.

I hate to say this, but it’s like they critique that the gang is attacking a US installation because a couple of people within the US produced a movie they don’t like.

The fault here lies in our President and his team. If we stood strongly for freedom, and the gangs knew we would find them and kill them, this would not be happening.


35 posted on 09/12/2012 7:22:20 AM PDT by MS from the OC (Obama taking credit for killing OBL is like Nixon taking credit for landing on the moon, John Bolton)
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To: 7thson

If authorized by the appropriate military channels (i.e., from the head of state, or someone legitimately acting on behalf of the head of state), yes, this would be an “act of war.” As it stands, it was most likely a “crime.”


36 posted on 09/12/2012 7:41:01 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Depends on your definition of “crime”.

To me, it was a crime against the USA and its citizens.

To the Community Organizer-in-Chief: the crime against the USA was justified by a ‘crime’ against one of the religions of the world.


37 posted on 09/12/2012 7:46:24 AM PDT by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: MS from the OC
'If we stood strongly for freedom, and the gangs knew we would find them and kill them, this would not be happening.'

That one is debatable. Unfortunately, the US is no longer Superman. With Iraq and Afghanistan we now have a version of kryptonite. Throw in Reagan pulling out the Marines in Beirut.

Once the illusion of invincibility is cracked, it can no longer be put back together. Once the commitment of putting troops in harms way and then having them get killed, it creates a confidence to the local populace.

The muslim commons can fight a form of guerrilla war trans countries and the US is helpless to stop it.

38 posted on 09/12/2012 8:12:43 AM PDT by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: 7thson

An act of war is anything the nation on the receiving end is willing to go to war over. We don’t live in the middle ages, when you needed a “Casus Belli” anymore.


39 posted on 09/12/2012 9:03:55 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Theoria

“The muslim commons can fight a form of guerrilla war trans countries and the US is helpless to stop it.”

We’re not helpless to stop it. Helpless would imply that we have no means available to stop it. We have the means, we simply don’t have the will to use those means. So, a better description might be, we are too spineless to stop it.


40 posted on 09/12/2012 9:06:56 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: 7thson

http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/ maybe you can get your answers here ,


41 posted on 09/16/2012 2:02:20 PM PDT by C.I.B.N.D.N.
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