Sig SP2022 or Glock 19 4g or 3G

killermosquito ^ | 09/24/2012 | killermosquito

[killermosquito]

I'm getting ready to buy my first gun. I'm interested in Sig SP2022 or Glock 19 4g or 3G or others you may suggest. I'm 50ish, 6 footish, and about 220lbs. I intend to go for concealed carry.

[dblshot]

Killermosquito, I think your keyboard is on full auto!

[RCFlyer]

Quick answer: Glock 19 gen 4.

I like this advice: “Where do you live (climate), how do you dress on a daily basis, how does it fit with your lifestyle. Find a weapon that you WILL carry. Will you carry ON you or IN a pocket? Try various weapons for “FEEL”. ETC”

Big, heavy 2 pound, large caliber guns sound ok until shortly you find reasons for leaving them home. Start small. A very small gun like Seecamp .32 can always be carried... quick and easy to pop in pocket before you walk out the door. So comfortable I often carry it around the house, which is not a bad idea during a quick entry break-in of your house. And research on the Winchester Silvertip .32 is quite good. A little gun in your pocket is far more lethal than a big gun at home or in your car.

My favorite is a small sized, 1 pound gun... Kahr PM9, or now that’s is available, the S&W Shield. 9mm ammo for both, in +p or +p+ power (used by police and available to civilians). Excellent street and test results with these higher power loads.

Ammo is a concern. Regular 9mm ammo is cheap to practice with, which you need to do, especially when getting acquainted with your gun.

Holsters are a concern, especially with larger, 2 pound guns. Must get a decent gun belt to support the heavy weight ($60+). Must buy one size larger pants if planning to carry inside the waist band, which is how most these guns are carried. Holsters will run $50-100... don’t skimp because you will just end up buying the better stuff anyway.

I love my large size CZ 75, and 1911s, but “dressing” for these larger guns is a pain. With the Kahr or Shield, I pop them in an inexpensive “hot-jox” holster that hangs around my waist... fast, easy, comfortable... and most importantly, I carry them with out complaint: http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2012/01/03/desantis-hot-jox/

My favorite larger gun is my Glock 19 gen 4. 15 rounds plus a spare mag is fun to carry in the winter when I’m wearing heavier clothing. Light weight, compact, simple to operate (important when under stress), easy to take apart and clean, cheap, reliable (but always use high power 9 mm for self-defense for “perfect” reliability).

My opinion only... no 1911s for beginners. Carrying “cocked and locked” will not feel right. They are way more expensive, and less reliable unless in the >$1,400 range. Save big guns for after you have done this for a year.

Take your course and handle lots of guns at stores and the range before you buy.

[JT Hatter]

Gotta agree with Cuttinhorse. Sig P229 in a .40. Just like the Secret Service uses. Lots of custom options/model variants.

[Enigo54]

Im a huge fan of my Baby Desert Eagle. .40 and fits my hand nicely. Maybe a touch heavy, but it behaves as well or better than my friends 1911 or his Sig

[VeniVidiVici]

Perfect go big and concealed carry.

.40 Magnum.

Glock 29

[Durus]

They might seem that way but police departments don't think so as they are increasingly going with the M&Ps.

Generally speaking semi-auto pistols have less moving parts than revolvers and should be considered a more simple machine. I love wheel guns and they have definite advantages, but they have very practical disadvantages as well.

[Durus]

How did the 10mm get renamed the .40 magnum when it existed before .40S&W? They should have named the .40S&W the 10mmDBC (Designed By Committee). I confess to having a .40 but I quickly replaced the barrel with a .357Sig.

[VeniVidiVici]

I’m just yanking a few chains ;)

[Georgia Girl 2]

Springfield Armory .40

[MileHi]

By all means, the Glock.

Because Negligent Discharge is so much harder without it.

[ctdonath2]

Glock 19, but not the “C” variant. Flash & blast will be debilitating indoors in low light.

[ctdonath2]

That is, the “C” variant would cause debilitating flash & blast indoors in low light. (Grammar was ambiguous in prior post.)

[Delta 21]

I got mine in 1982. I’ve put thousands of rounds thru it and it has only mis-fed twice and they were both my faulty reloads, not the pistols fault. Have come close to switching 3 or 4 times but always decided against it.

I think its time for a new set of custom grips.

[Delta 21]

Good Grief!! You an see daylight thru that thing!!

[DainBramage]

Springfield xdm .45 check it out

[VeniVidiVici]

Good Grief!! You an see daylight thru that thing!!

Yeah. The back blast area of a .40 Magnum is enormous. The vent holes help vent the back blast on either side of the gun to help reduce recoil and keep the muzzle on target.

I think the Glock 20SF even comes with headers.

[killermosquito]

More thoughts on the subject:

I like Sig’s de-cocker feature.

Both Glock and Sig seem to receive high marks for reliability.

Both Glock and Sig seem to get high marks for accuracy.

Glock wins on availability of replacement parts and holster selection.

Glock wins on lower cost of magazines.

I get the impression that the Sig may be a “safer” gun (is that an oxymoron?)

A friend who owns the Glock 19 saw the Sig 2022 and suggested that the Glock has fewer things to catch on when withdrawing from a holster.

I’m left handed but would like to shoot right so that my wife and kids can also protect themselves.

I’m also interested in getting a gun that is truly ambidextrous (if I stink at shooting right handed).

I’m in usually hot NC so size of gun is an important consideration if/when I get license to carry concealed. This makes me think that the “Baby Glock” or a Sig Subcompact would be a better choice (if it feels good in my hand).

My reluctance to get a .45 has to do with target acquisition on shots after the first. I’d rather get 2 or 3 shots on target than one big one.

Based upon the support that Springfield is getting I probably need to give them a more serious look.

[SJSAMPLE]

Good points.
I love my SIGs, but my Glocks are my "tool" guns. I was at a range a few months ago with my new Gen4 Glock 23 and a guy was showing off.

I took my Glock 23 out of my holster (IWB at 5 o'clock), unloaded it and threw it in the mudd and rocks.

"Do that."

He just stood there, not comprehending.
I have over 25 magazines for my Glock 22 and 23, and 9mm barrel swaps and spare magazines for each.

One thing I was able to test-fire last weekend was the new SW "Shield" pistol in .40SW. About the size of a Glock 19/23, but much thinner as it's a single stack. I'm very interested because it will up my carry-time by about 25%. However, after looking at the Ruger LCP and the SW Bodyguard pistols, I'm more inclined to go with those .380s because they are an entirely different size smaller, while the Shield is just a thinner compact.

[eartick]

I have a lot of buddies that love the XD frames and they shoot them in .45s, as well as .40s.

Try it out. Got to where they rent them. Shoot a .40 and shoot a .45 and I will believe you will see that the .40 will out kick the .45..

It is the burn rate of the powder, weights of projectile and other factors that provide the “kick”. All my .40 cals, out “kick” my .45s.

Even my tricked out 2011 STI Delta Force Commemorative w/ 6” ported barrel in .40 will rise more than my Kimber Raptor Ultra Carry II in .45 which has a 4” non-ported.

You are asking all the right questions and considering all the key points. I will add one winner for SIG, it will win in the mud and the muck all day long, been there done that. Glocks did not survive where the SIGs went.

But, one thing for sure, you can never buy the perfect pistol. AND that is what makes it fun and that is why I filled up my safe......

[RCFlyer]

“I’m in usually hot NC so size of gun is an important consideration if/when I get license to carry concealed. This makes me think that the “Baby Glock” or a Sig Subcompact would be a better choice (if it feels good in my hand).”

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It took me ~15 hours of handling my Glock 19 before I “connected” with the grip... it’s perfect for me now. However, my Glock 26 fit perfectly immediately (accept smaller guns mean your little finger goes under the grip; it’s natural to me, now). Massad Akyoob (google him... firearms expert for decades) reports Glock 26 scores better in competitions, even with the shorter barrel (maybe because of the grip or time to recover for second shot). A 10-round G-26 carries easier, and can carry a 15- or 17-round spare mag for reloads... they fit.

For you, I believe, and me, smaller is better. Also consider the S&W Shield (single-stack 7-round mag v. double stack Glock mags). I’d get it but already have a Kahr PM9. I like simple guns with the fewest knobs for stressful situations like self-defense. And I believe a 7+1 gun is plenty... and a 7- or 8-round mag can always added to your carry.

Massad Akyoob likes 9mm +p or +p+. Cheaper than the smaller .380. He says .45ACP comes into it’s own in cold weather when shooting though heavy clothing; not a factor in NC.