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Civitas Poll: Obama, Biden Lead Romney, Ryan in NC 49% - 45% (Taken 9/18-9/19)
Civitas Poll ^ | 9/24/12 | Civitas Poll

Posted on 09/24/2012 1:22:03 PM PDT by Adriatic Cons

A new poll from the Civitas Institute found that the Democratic ticket of President Obama and Vice President Joe Biden is 4 percentage points ahead of the Republican slate — presidential candidate Mitt Romney and his running mate, Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan.

The Civitas Poll of 600 likely North Carolina voters was taken Sept. 18-19 and had a margin of error of plus-minus 4 percent. Asked if the election were held today who they would vote for, 49 percent chose Obama/Biden and 45 percent chose Romney/Ryan. (This is the first 2012 Civitas Poll to include the vice presidential candidates.)


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Note- this was at the height of the 47% media frenzy. So... have to hope that this was a temporary blip... as we MUST win NC to have a shot.
1 posted on 09/24/2012 1:22:07 PM PDT by Adriatic Cons
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To: Adriatic Cons

Never heard of this poll.


2 posted on 09/24/2012 1:23:10 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Adriatic Cons

What’s that Baltimore football fan chant again?


3 posted on 09/24/2012 1:23:26 PM PDT by woweeitsme
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To: Adriatic Cons

now breakdown by party/affiliation...no link to polling data...the comments uner this poll even calling this out...


4 posted on 09/24/2012 1:25:38 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: Adriatic Cons

This poll is BS..Rasmussen already had a poll a week ago that shows Romney with a 6 point lead. Even Bob Beckel conceded that Romney has won NC


5 posted on 09/24/2012 1:25:52 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Adriatic Cons

BS poll.


6 posted on 09/24/2012 1:25:55 PM PDT by ILS21R (The time is nigh.)
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To: KC_Conspirator

They released it today... WTH? Why hold it for a few days before releasing. and yet... it indicates that it’s a GOP-sponsored poll??


7 posted on 09/24/2012 1:25:59 PM PDT by Adriatic Cons (Allen West... Will make a GREAT POTUS on day... For now, I'll settle for R&R)
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To: Adriatic Cons

I just don’t think opinions are swayed this easily.


8 posted on 09/24/2012 1:26:41 PM PDT by MustKnowHistory
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To: Sarah Barracuda

I would tend to agree, but at RCP, it indicates that it’s a GOP-sponsored poll... That’s the sole reason I thought it was a little note-worthy


9 posted on 09/24/2012 1:27:08 PM PDT by Adriatic Cons (Allen West... Will make a GREAT POTUS on day... For now, I'll settle for R&R)
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To: KC_Conspirator
Based on what we're seeing with absentee ballots in OH, I just don't see how any of these polls are legit. So far, we are seeing substantial GOP leads in reddish counties; some GOP lead in some heavily Dem counties; and about the predicted split in Cayahoga County---except that if the indies go for Romney, then OH goes red.

If that's the case here, I think most of these other polls are bogus.

10 posted on 09/24/2012 1:27:08 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: Adriatic Cons

actually one of the commenters found the info: “Because the sample is made of : 45% Democrats, 33% Republicans and 22% Independents. That’s just crazy!”


11 posted on 09/24/2012 1:27:23 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: Adriatic Cons

BALONEY! 9.5 percent Unemployment in NC and there is anyone who believes this? Romney will win NC by 10 percentage points. Why do you post stuff like this?


12 posted on 09/24/2012 1:28:03 PM PDT by Cherokeesquaw
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To: Adriatic Cons

45/33/22 (D/R/I) - Bullshit


13 posted on 09/24/2012 1:28:08 PM PDT by harwood (Ann Coulter: Future SCOTUS nominee!)
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To: Adriatic Cons; Admin Moderator

This poll is old, why not pull it?

Oh and BTW newbie I’d suggest you think twice about what you are posting. This poll is old and would only serve one purpose.


14 posted on 09/24/2012 1:28:43 PM PDT by tatown ( FUMD, FUAC, and FUGB)
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To: Adriatic Cons

Not every poll under the sun needs to be posted. I mean who in the hell is Civitas Polling anyway?


15 posted on 09/24/2012 1:30:31 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: LS

Romney needs to do well in suburbs and exurbs.


16 posted on 09/24/2012 1:30:39 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: LS
Sure hope so... I made the mistake of checking the latest polls at RCP... This was the only (R) poll

The rest look ugly, mostly from the usual liberal slime... but also, Ras has Obama in a blowout in Michigan (O+12, same as PA)...

Others, down in Colorado (PPP- O+6), Nevada (ARG- O+7), Iowa (ARG- O+7), Florida (ARG- O+5), Wisconsin (WeAskAm- O+12)... and it continues.

17 posted on 09/24/2012 1:32:50 PM PDT by Adriatic Cons (Allen West... Will make a GREAT POTUS on day... For now, I'll settle for R&R)
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To: Adriatic Cons

45D-33R-22I sample in a state Obama won in 2008 by .03 of a point.

Garbage in-Garbage out polling.


18 posted on 09/24/2012 1:33:49 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: snarkytart

I posted it, cause it’s a REPUB poll... So... I felt that was a little note-worthy


19 posted on 09/24/2012 1:33:58 PM PDT by Adriatic Cons (Allen West... Will make a GREAT POTUS on day... For now, I'll settle for R&R)
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To: Adriatic Cons

A poll taken September 18-19 is not “new” at this point.


20 posted on 09/24/2012 1:34:10 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Adriatic Cons

Did you see the poll on Drudge’s site from Susquehanna? He called it a shock poll from PA. O47, R45. What to believe, what to believe.


21 posted on 09/24/2012 1:34:38 PM PDT by rushmom
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To: Adriatic Cons

It is not a GOP poll. Whom ever is claiming that is a liar.


22 posted on 09/24/2012 1:34:53 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Adriatic Cons

NO again IT IS NOT A REPUBLICAN POLL. It is pure garbage polling.


23 posted on 09/24/2012 1:35:50 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie
45D-33R-22I sample in a state Obama won in 2008 by .03 of a point

That would certainly explain it. Thanks

24 posted on 09/24/2012 1:35:54 PM PDT by Adriatic Cons (Allen West... Will make a GREAT POTUS on day... For now, I'll settle for R&R)
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To: Adriatic Cons

this is bogus.


25 posted on 09/24/2012 1:36:59 PM PDT by Laura722
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To: Laura722

Adriatic will con no more.

ZOT


26 posted on 09/24/2012 1:39:12 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Adriatic Cons

I just can’t believe that the American people are THIS stupid to re-elect this schmuck. I just refuse to believe it


27 posted on 09/24/2012 1:40:06 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Adriatic Cons

The poll is nonsense with an oversampling of Dems. No way Romney will Lose NC. It is off the board
But considering the failure of this incumbent this race should not even be close nationally. It is. The only ads and spin I see coming from the Obama campaign are personal negative attacks vs the challenger basically because Obama has no record to run on and absolutely no ideas. Romney needs to bring a gun to this knife fight.Can the soaring rhetoric and go negative on Obama and the Obama economy all the time to get Obama’s numbers back down.I want to see ads with plenty of foreclosure signs, soup kitchen lines, out of business signs ending with a photo of Obama on the golf course until this economy and his failure is emblazoned on the minds of the voter


28 posted on 09/24/2012 1:40:58 PM PDT by chuckee
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To: Adriatic Cons

29 posted on 09/24/2012 1:41:12 PM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: God luvs America

now breakdown by party/affiliation...no link to polling data...the comments uner this poll even calling this out...

I took a look. out of a total 600 people,
270 Dem
198 Republian
132 independents

Not much to be proud of here.


30 posted on 09/24/2012 1:41:40 PM PDT by marstegreg
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To: Adriatic Cons

OK, I see why you thought it was a GOP poll. This is a “Conservative advocacy group”

Ok, you run a firm that wants media attention for your cause. Which poll is going to get your group more media attention? A poll showing a red state going red or a “shock poll” showing the other guy winning?


31 posted on 09/24/2012 1:42:01 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Constitution Day; Tijeras_Slim

32 posted on 09/24/2012 1:42:11 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Adriatic Cons

Nobody told this pollster that NC has gone totally Red. Obama’s campaign has folded their tent and left the state. NC is solid Rommney.


33 posted on 09/24/2012 1:43:46 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Adriatic Cons

This poll is older than your FreeRepublic account...


34 posted on 09/24/2012 1:44:13 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: woweeitsme

Even as a Pats fan, I loved that chant. Loudest I ever heard. Those refs sucked big time. And that FG was extremely questionable. But those refs would not have made it out of there alive if they ruled it no good.


35 posted on 09/24/2012 1:48:13 PM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: Adriatic Cons

Civatas means citizen. The entire Obama strategy relies on the non civatas vote, so my friends this is indeed a BS poll.


36 posted on 09/24/2012 1:49:25 PM PDT by hflynn
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To: Cherokeesquaw

Troll Alert!

Cherokeesquaw

Since Sep 13, 2012


37 posted on 09/24/2012 1:51:43 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (You didn't build that. The private sector is doing fine. We tried our plan and it worked.)
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To: Adriatic Cons
I can't find the methodology for this poll but when a poll defies common sense the methodology is as irrelevant as the results.
38 posted on 09/24/2012 1:51:46 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: lacrew

Man he got ZOTTED. What a troll, did not see too much of this in 2008, when the libs were all cocky and sure of themselves. I think there should be a moratorium on posters age. You have to be an active member for at least a year before you could post. Would cut down on this nonsense. Granted DU has some fellow travelers here, one was outed as a “Retired postal worker” last week. This tool every poll thread was 100% doom and gloom 100% of the time


39 posted on 09/24/2012 1:52:34 PM PDT by pburgh01
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To: Adriatic Cons
The Pollsters can't even tell us correctly whether they polled Registered or Likely Voters. These are both direct quotes from the article:

"The Civitas Poll of 600 likely North Carolina voters was taken Sept. 18-19"

"This poll of 600 registered voters in North Carolina was conducted September 18-19,"

Which is it, you pollster scientists?

40 posted on 09/24/2012 1:54:21 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (You didn't build that. The private sector is doing fine. We tried our plan and it worked.)
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To: Adriatic Cons

Check this link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2935679/posts

The PA guys insist that all the others are using at least a +7 Dem model, which they reject. Here in Montgomery Co., OH, the diff is +3 with Indies increasing by the day. If you look at all the polls you list except MI and WI (+12 ridiculous), that means that Romney is probably leading or tied in CO, NV, IA, leading in FL, and so on.


41 posted on 09/24/2012 1:55:02 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: pburgh01

He beat a weak Mc Cain campign in 2008 and I know the people in North Carolina have elected for the first time a GOP house and Senate sense 1898 and the current Gov isn’t even running for reelection


42 posted on 09/24/2012 1:55:54 PM PDT by scooby321 (AMS)
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To: MNJohnnie

Correct and he was running against McCrap


43 posted on 09/24/2012 1:56:54 PM PDT by personalaccts (Is George W going to protect the border?)
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To: marstegreg

Yeah I found the breakdown for their poll:

* 31.3%Republican
* 43.4%Democrat
* 25.3%Independent/Other

http://www.nccivitas.org/2012/july-2012-poll-results/


44 posted on 09/24/2012 2:00:18 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

45D-33R-22I sample in a state Obama won in 2008 by .03 of a point


45 posted on 09/24/2012 2:00:58 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Looked like a tag team. The poster signed up on 9/21. The commenter signed up on 9/13.


46 posted on 09/24/2012 2:03:26 PM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I know this is a little far-fetched but I am starting to think they are saying Obama is ahead not to demoralize republicans but to account for voter fraud. Am I paranoid??


47 posted on 09/24/2012 2:06:09 PM PDT by marstegreg
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To: Adriatic Cons

Left wing British, soros funded “think tank”!

Civitas (think tank)From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is about the British think tank. For the Roman political concept, see Civitas.

Civitas: The Institute for the Study of Civil Society was founded by David George Green and Robert Whelan early in 2000 as an independent think tank. It is a British registered charity (No. 1085494),[1] financed by private donations. It receives no government funding and has no affiliations with any political party.

Contents [hide]
1 Activities
2 Policy Interests
3 People
4 Publications
5 Involvement in schools
6 See also
7 References
8 External links

Activities: The stated underlying purpose of Civitas is to deepen public understanding of the legal, institutional and moral framework that makes a free and democratic society possible.

They state that what they do is:

Support informed public debate and encourage consensus by:
Providing accurate factual information on today’s social issues.

Publishing informed comment and analysis.
Bringing together leading protagonists in open discussion.
Work towards pragmatic solutions to current social problems.

Implement pioneering projects to demonstrate what can be accomplished.

Supply schools with teaching materials and guest speakers.
[edit] Policy InterestsThe think tank describes itself as “classical liberal” and “non-partisan”. Its director David G. Green writes occasionally in The Daily Telegraph and its deputy director Anastasia de Waal frequently contributes to the Guardian’s Comment is Free.[2] Its areas of policy interest include:

Crime Civitas authors have argued for more consistent crime policies that straddle the left-right divide, for earlier and pre-emptive interventions with prolific offenders and for crime statistics to be more digestibly and honestly presented. They have also advocated rehabilitating prisoners through drug programmes and vocational education.
Education Civitas research seeks out an objective view of standards of education in Britain in order to offer an improved perspective on how best to deliver equitable and high standards of education for all. The particular aim is to generate evidence-based policy, with realisable strategies for implementation.
]
Family Its authors have examined the impact of social policy and changing social norms in families, looking in particular at family structure and the socioeconomic significance of marriage in the UK.
Health Civitas authors have called for an end to the NHS’s monopoly on public healthcare and greater diversity in the system with the aim of creating a more equitable system for all.

Immigration Its authors have sought to analyse the pros and cons of mass immigration, including the costs for the public sector and downward pressure on low-paid jobs.
Economic growth The Wealth of Nations project was established to encourage a more balanced economy and especially to explore how best to stimulate manufacturing in order to foster a more resilient economy and to generate jobs across the ability range.

PeopleDirector:
David G. Green[3]
Deputy Director (Research): Anastasia de Waal
Director of Civitas Schools: Eleanor Rogerson
Editorial Director: Robert Whelan
PublicationsBooks

Crime

The Public and the Police (2008) Harriet Sergeant
Crime and Civil Society: Can we become a more law-abiding people? (2005) Dr David G. Green, Emma Grove and Nadia A. Martin

Crimes of the Community: Honour-based Violence in the UK (2007)
James Brandon and Salam Hafez Education

What Your Year 1 Child Needs to Know (2011) E. D. Hirsch, Jr. (ed.)
Liberal Education and the National Curriculum (2010) Prof. David Conway
Inspecting the Inspectorate: Ofsted Under Scrutiny (2008) Anastasia de Waal
Corruption of the Curriculum (2007) Robert Whelan
The Butterfly Book: A Reading and Writing Course (2007) Irina Tyk
The Butterfly Grammar: A Course for Better English (2008) Irina Tyk and Ed Dovey
Family

Second Thoughts on the Family (2008) Anastasia de Waal
Health

Putting Patients Last (2009) Peter Davies, James Gubb and Donald R. Keogh
Quite Like Heaven? Options for the NHS in a Consumer Age (2007) Nick Seddon and Bernard Ribeiro
Immigration

A Nation of Immigrants? A brief demographic history of Britain (2007) Prof. David Conway
Disunited Kingdom (2009) Prof. David Conway
Manufacturing

Nations Choose Prosperity: Why Britain needs an Industrial Policy (2009) Ruth Lea and David G. Green
[edit] Involvement in schoolsCivitas provides teaching materials and guest speakers for schools, in particular on family structure and on the EU.

The EU project publishes a series of free factsheets on the European Union, designed for use by A-level students. Civitas also arranges speakers for talks and debates in schools on the subject of the EU.

Civitas runs supplementary schools on Saturday mornings and after school hours. The schools teach English and maths to children from disadvantaged backgrounds, emphasising traditional approaches such as phonics. There are now eighteen supplementary schools in King’s Cross, Hammersmith, Camberwell, Keighley, Birmingham, Great Yarmouth and Bradford providing classes for over 500 children per week.

Civitas is adapting the American Core Knowledge curriculum for the UK. It is a year-by-year outline of the specific and shared content and skills to be taught in Years 1 to 6. The first Core Knowledge book, What Your Year 1 Child Needs to Know, aroused controversy when released in 2011.[4]

Young Civitas for Medics, a new society founded by medical students for medical students, was launched in 2010 with the help of the Civitas Health Unit. The society aims to plug a gap in the medical curriculum by providing an open and impartial arena for students to learn how the NHS works and debate the future of health policy. It has now become independent.

[edit] See alsoList of UK think tanks
[edit] References^ Civitas, Registered Charity no. 1085494 at the Charity Commission
^ Anastasia de Waal profile at guardian.co.uk
^ David Green biography at civitas.org.uk
^ English version of US fact bible for Year 1s hits the shops at the Times Educational Supplement
[edit] External linksCIVITAS Official website
Young Civitas for Medics Official website
London Boxing Academy
New Model School Company
Civitas Schools
Core Knowledge UK
Top Twelve UK Think Tanks
Retrieved from “http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Civitas_(think_tank)&oldid=490282901";


48 posted on 09/24/2012 2:08:12 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: LS

LS, I remember 4 years ago you were calling Ohio for McCain, quoting early voting data etc. As we know, Ohio went for O by almost 5%.

I see that that experience did not influence your perception of reality. Romney is down in OH by 5%, down in VA by 4%, down in FL and probably down in NC (last 3 polls there all show him down, and none of them are from Dem pollsters).


49 posted on 09/24/2012 2:09:42 PM PDT by ubaldus
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To: marstegreg
[I know this is a little far-fetched but I am starting to think they are saying Obama is ahead not to demoralize republicans but to account for voter fraud. Am I paranoid??]

Not at all. I've heard that mentioned on other threads several times.

50 posted on 09/24/2012 2:11:33 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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