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To: douginthearmy

You said: “Noone [sic] born in this country is naturalized!

During the debate on the Civil Right Act of 1866, these exchanges occurred: Senator Cowan, “ask[ed] whether [the Act] will not have the effect of naturalizing the children of Chinese and Gypsies born in this country?” Senator Trumbull replied: “Undoubtedly. … [T]he child of an Asiatic is just as much a citizen as the child of a European.” Cong. Globe, 39th Cong. 1st Sess. (1866).

So it looks like members of Congress unlike you understood that there is such a thing as being born in the United States and being naturalized.


68 posted on 10/20/2012 9:48:00 AM PDT by Puzo1 (Ask the Right Questions to Get the Right Answers)
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To: Puzo1
I highly doubt the good senator made his comments with concern that they would be semantically parsed 150 years later to justify a position which has no standing in law. To any non-birther, the statement clearly reads that the Act would make citizens from their time of birth, any person who had been previously denied that birthright citizenship for reasons of strict racism which was predominant at the time (could care less about that, its a side issue). Clearly children born of European parents were already birthright citizens. And clearly my statement was refering to the present not, pre-1866.

Excepting diplomats, there is no mechanism to naturalize a person born in this country. The State Department has no such form. It cannot be done. There is no entry for citizenship of parent at the time of birth on any long form birth certificate. There is no separate identifier for natural born citizen on the U.S. passport. There is absolutely NO LEGAL STANDING for the birther position. Even if there were a historical leg to stand on it cannot be legally upheld in court today because it cannot be equally applied to all children since there has been no tracking of the citizenship of parents for the lifetime of anyone alive today. And that doesn't even take into consideration the equal protection rights of children who have no ability to track the citizenship of their unknown father.

To put it simply, the birther argument is made up, aka make-believe.

74 posted on 10/20/2012 10:57:02 AM PDT by douginthearmy
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