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'Mom, go upstairs. We're all liberals.'
The American Thinker ^ | October 24, 2012 | Annie Lake

Posted on 10/25/2012 9:53:17 PM PDT by Altariel

Ouch. Monday night was the first time I heard my daughter apply that label to herself, and the word didn't please me. She and six friends/coworkers were about to watch the final Obama-Romney debate on the large-screen TV in our suburban basement.

These twenty-something kiddies were enjoying our hospitality because it was free. They're a company (founder, partners, contractors, trainee), part of the start-up trend whereby young persons hang out at coffee shops, staring into laptops, trying to start the next Foursquare or Fab and make a billion dollars. Until that happens, they can't afford things like airfare or hotels. So in order to attend a conference in the city near us, they had driven cross-country in a minivan and were staying at our house for four and a half days.

Up to this point, neither my husband nor I had said a word to them about politics or cultural norms in general. When they brought in large quantities of beer and liquor and stayed up late consuming it, we said nothing. We did not inquire about the marital status of the couple cohabiting in the main guest room. On Sunday, we went to church but did not try to recruit them to go with us. We were not merely nonjudgmental, but supportive, stocking up on groceries to meet their various dietary needs and keeping quiet while they occupied the kitchen, "co-working."

Tolerant I am. But being told to leave my own basement did not cut it.

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1 posted on 10/25/2012 9:53:22 PM PDT by Altariel
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To: Altariel

Madame, with all due respect, I assume your name and your husbands or on your mortgage? The moment your daughter told you that I would have said, as my parents always made it plain to myself and my other siblings, “There’s the door!’’. “This is MY house, MY rules’’!


2 posted on 10/25/2012 10:00:39 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Altariel

I might have said (but didn’t), “Obama’s economic policy is the reason you guys don’t have a real job!”

oh...there are plenty of other reasons...


3 posted on 10/25/2012 10:04:07 PM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: Altariel

I wouldn’t put up with that sh!t. This is what happens when parents let schools run by unions raise their children.


4 posted on 10/25/2012 10:07:55 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Altariel

I have young adult children. My daughter lived at home during the summer back when she was still in college, and my son is living at home for the next few months until he departs for basic at Parris Island. Neither of them are anything but right-wingers, but if either had ever, ever accepted my hospitality and treated me that way, they’d be out on their ear within 24 hours. If that.

The reason this woman’s daughter behaves this way is because she allowed it. She has made herself a doormat. Her daughter is a liberal because Mom and Dad allowed her to be a taker. Imagine laundering the bath- and bed-linens of selfish young people like that—! I’m filled with disgust.


5 posted on 10/25/2012 10:11:14 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: Altariel
I never blame a dog for being a dog. I blame the master for not knowing how to train it.

/johnny

6 posted on 10/25/2012 10:11:44 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Altariel

Fortunately my daughter studied business in college. She’s no flaming conservative, but she could see through every lie Obama was spewing ...


7 posted on 10/25/2012 10:16:31 PM PDT by 11th_VA (Keep your laws OFF my Big Gulp !)
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To: Altariel
The lady fought the good fight and I think she will be rewarded with her perseverance at some time in the future. With her daughter and perhaps with a few of the “house guests”.

A lot of young people go thru a liberal, idealistic stage in their lives. When they actually get in the real world it becomes evident to them what is real and what is not.

8 posted on 10/25/2012 10:17:12 PM PDT by berdie
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We were not merely nonjudgmental, but supportive, stocking up on groceries to meet their various dietary needs and keeping quiet while they occupied the kitchen, "co-working."

That's not supportive - that's pandering. Show 'em the door!

9 posted on 10/25/2012 10:18:00 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Altariel

Daughter, go to your car, and take your friends with you. You’re leaving. Perhaps Obama will give you a place to stay, food to eat, and free bandwidth. . . .


10 posted on 10/25/2012 10:18:37 PM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: Altariel

What a nasty, impious daughter! I guess “liberals” don’t believe in honoring their mother and father.


11 posted on 10/25/2012 10:23:39 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Altariel

Parental weakness when the kids were toddlers.

Too bad the clock can’t be turned back to give the parents another chance to pound the slobbers out of the little cherubs.


12 posted on 10/25/2012 10:28:37 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Altariel

I would have asked them if they’d ever seen CHANGING PLACES with Eddie Murphy. Then I would have told them my favorite Eddie Murphy line in the movie was “Get the f... out!” And I would have kicked their butts to the street. And that includes the daughter.

I think that’s part of the problem in this country. Parents won’t make kids grow up. Why should they face reality when Mom lets them crash for free and cleans up after them. She’s teaching her daughter to be a liberal.


13 posted on 10/25/2012 10:30:55 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: Altariel

“This morning, the kids packed up the minivan and drove away. On the way out, three of them thanked me for our hospitality. The other four, including the anti-Romney tweeters, said nothing.”

Typical impolite, entitlement-feeling liberals!


14 posted on 10/25/2012 10:33:33 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Altariel

The mistake she and her husband made was sending their daughter to a liberal college.


15 posted on 10/25/2012 10:37:07 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: lurk

“Too bad the clock can’t be turned back to give the parents another chance to pound the slobbers out of the little cherubs.”

Parents can only do so much. Kids are mostly influenced by their friends in school, not their parents or the Sunday sermon. The most important thing parents can do is to send their kids to good schools where everyone is on board with moral values.


16 posted on 10/25/2012 10:38:11 PM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: ottbmare

well said. my daughter is a true blue conservative...she became that at age 17 when she was working during her senior year of high school. She wasn’t earning all that much ( limited hours etc because of her student status) but the first thing she noticed was A) the amount of taxes withheld and B) the amount of union dues they withheld. She has hated the unions and big government ever since.


17 posted on 10/25/2012 10:40:07 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Altariel

“I also felt defeated because my daughter has turned out to be liberal. Either she’s been that way for a while and hidden it from us, or else she’s given in to the left-wing culture that surrounds her in the blue-state city where she lives.

***

My OLDER brother is a bleeding heart idiot liberal. Never spoke with him unless it’s really, really necc. but I did greet him a happy birthday this year.


18 posted on 10/25/2012 10:44:03 PM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Altariel; All
An excellent cautionary tale for what happens when you fail to instill conservatism in your kids from DAY ONE.

Here is another, far more disturbing cautionary tale of what happens when parents surrender their daughters to the evil, depraved culture: Porn Before Puberty? Film Explores Childhood, Parenting in Sex-Saturated Culture.

19 posted on 10/25/2012 10:46:42 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Unam Sanctam
My kids are nasty, in their own particular skillsets, and certainly not pious, in an ecclesiastical sense, but they damn sure are polite and carry their own weight.

Nothing like having the DI let your youngest daughter get a phone call out so she can tell SSgt Dad that she 'scored expert with grenades and got to throw 2 live ones!'.

Training will tell.

I am polite to my (now adult) children, they are polite to me. 3/5ths of the grandkids are respectful and polite to grandpappy. All of them watch their mouths.

/johnny

20 posted on 10/25/2012 10:49:58 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Be gentle Johnny...Do u have kids?......... or dogs for that matter....the secret is...my rogue dog died in the woods.......under normal circumstances........Do your own DD as to hunting dogs and habits...*W*...U got a recipe for venison and partridge....both out of season?..before u punk me....he could have never paid the taxes if hed won that battle...but his off spring are great........ Go figure!


21 posted on 10/25/2012 10:50:57 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: lurk
Parental weakness when the kids were toddlers.

Teach a child the way it should go and it will not depart from it.

Same training works for dogs. Ya gotta start early, or be really harsh if you start late.

/johnny

22 posted on 10/25/2012 10:52:05 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Altariel
Mrs. Lake...you were being a good mom, no criticism from me for that. You were being a good host, not complaining and providing food and shelter to your daughter's friends. So I won't fault you for any of that.

Now that they are gone, and their "meeting" is over you should, just as quietly, politely, and calmly, change the locks on your doors and lock your daughter out. Leave a note outside telling her to drive to one of her friend's homes and stay there for free while they all get their lives together. She has intruded on your hospitality and motherly instincts too long and has thrown all your good intentions back in your face. She won't die, she won't suffer, she has friends who should be glad to help her. And, she might just learn a lesson the hard way. It seems that is something she missed in college, isn't it?

23 posted on 10/25/2012 10:57:25 PM PDT by CitizenM (Obama - The architect of the decline of the U.S.)
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To: M-cubed
I've got kids, grandkids, and had dogs. Not ready now for the next round of dogs. But I'm looking around.

Venison and partridge are covered by Escoffier (look him up).

Dogs are dogs, kids are kids. They will do what they do, a guiding hand at the right moment corrects behavior that is unacceptable and re-enforces good behavior.

Negative consequences for bad stuff, positive results for good stuff. Works miracles.

/johnny

24 posted on 10/25/2012 11:02:59 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Altariel
Up to this point, neither my husband nor I had said a word to them about politics or cultural norms in general. When they brought in large quantities of beer and liquor and stayed up late consuming it, we said nothing.

Wow, wallpaper parents.

25 posted on 10/25/2012 11:17:08 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“Teach the child the way he/she should go and they will not depart from it.”

Man..it should be so easy. ;)


26 posted on 10/25/2012 11:17:11 PM PDT by berdie
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To: berdie

She fought the good fight?

It sounds like for twenty something years they did nothing but retreat


27 posted on 10/25/2012 11:19:32 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Morgana

er... check out the link in post #19

what do you think?

prison time?


28 posted on 10/25/2012 11:22:04 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Altariel
I remember when I was 12 or so I asked my Father for an Allowance like my friends got from their Parents.

My Father looked at me with his finger pointed at the ceiling and asked me, what is that? I said, the ceiling?
He replied, that's the roof over your head that I pay for.

I got my allowance, by getting up at 6:30 A.M. every other Saturday and going to work with my Father at his Gas Station. I was there anywhere from 10 to 14 hours.

As my Father told me while I was complaining about the long hours, nobody owes you a living so get back to work.

That's the advice I have followed all my life.

29 posted on 10/25/2012 11:32:15 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (How do you insult an Obama Voter? Call them an Obama Voter.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Negative consequences for bad stuff, positive results for good stuff. Works miracles. <<

why do i like u anyway?...*G*... You’re a blessed man J Random.........Keep the faith!!...

BTW...do you like mustard pickles?


30 posted on 10/25/2012 11:33:30 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: JRandomFreeper

“Same training works for dogs. Ya gotta start early, or be really harsh if you start late.”

Ya gotta start early. There is no ‘or.’ If you punish them because you didn’t teach them properly in the first place, they will be even more turned off and you’ll never be able to reach them when they are older.


31 posted on 10/25/2012 11:37:50 PM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: M-cubed

A friend of my wife has a 20-something son that just showed up at their home to live for awhile (with his wife). After a week of not looking for work, helping out, etc. they told him they couldn’t stay in the house anymore.

“Well - how about in a tent in the backyard?”

They said that would be okay. Until another week went by and they heard the son say something to a friend. “Yeah man - work is for suckers”. The tent and everything else was soon on a heap at the curb.

Hard to comprehend people with an attitude like that.


32 posted on 10/25/2012 11:42:29 PM PDT by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: 21twelve

“with his wife”-now that I don’t quite get.


33 posted on 10/25/2012 11:44:10 PM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: GeronL
“they did nothing but retreat”...

I don't know that nor do you.

Sometimes you can give children the best foundation in life that you can. At some point they have to find their own way. They go thru some goofy phases. It seems that the youth of today go thru those phases at an older age.

The lady sat thru most of a debate with several know it all, rude (including her daughter) young “warriors” (legends in their own minds).

She interjected the opposite view. No way they would have jumped up and said “yeah!! you are right!!” But she may well have planted a seed or two in all of their young, mushy brains.

A seed that could grow and return them to family teachings. At least her daughter's.

34 posted on 10/25/2012 11:44:22 PM PDT by berdie
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To: berdie
Im with you...Whew!... ..but as they say somewhere...C’est la vie!....
35 posted on 10/25/2012 11:46:46 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: ari-freedom

Well hey - he has his own tent and everything!


36 posted on 10/25/2012 11:53:00 PM PDT by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: 21twelve
Hard to comprehend people with an attitude like that.<< especially when its your own....but I digress...

of course on the bright side...if I go 2 for 3 in baseball...I'm gonna win the title!

37 posted on 10/25/2012 11:55:55 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: JRandomFreeper

that analogy is specious.


38 posted on 10/25/2012 11:55:55 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: M-cubed

Yep...young people are like trying to herd cats.

The “free will” thing can cause them to stray.


39 posted on 10/26/2012 12:05:36 AM PDT by berdie
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To: Altariel

Spoiled children grow up to be spoiled adults...

People that marry spoiled adults mostly end up divorcing them..
People that hire spoiled adults must watch them closely for many reasons.. because they are spoiled..
Spoiled adults usually are democrats but some become republicans.. even libertarians..

Raising spoiled children is a crime against society..


40 posted on 10/26/2012 12:18:14 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Altariel
Oh my gosh! Seriously, if I told my mom to leave the room (especially in front of guests) she would have jerked me off the couch by my elbow and whacked my rear end with each step as she marched me up the stairs. Then I'd find myself having to call a taxi the next morning as I watched my Dad carefully remove the new spark plugs and oil he put in my truck on my last visit. My parents still spoil me rotten, but they also expect and deserve my respect!
41 posted on 10/26/2012 12:51:16 AM PDT by Casie
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To: Altariel

You let them co-habit in you house?? That’s not “tolerance” that’s acquiescence and entirely stupid. No wonder you have liberal kids.


42 posted on 10/26/2012 1:01:24 AM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Altariel
It is with a strange feeling that those of us who come from the Soviet Union look upon the West of today. It is as though we were neither neighbours on the same planet, nor contemporaries -and yet we contemplate the West from what will be your future, or look back seventy years, to see our past suddenly repeating itself. And what we see is always the same, always the same as it was then: adults deferring to the opinion of their children; the younger generation carried away by shallow worthless ideas; professors scared of being unfashionable; journalists refusing to take responsibility for the words they squander so profusely; universal sympathy for revolutionary extremists; people with serious objections unable or unwilling to voice them; the majority passively obsessed by a feeling of doom; feeble governments; societies whose defensive reactions have become paralysed; spiritual confusion leading to political upheaval.What will happen as a result of all this lies ahead of us. But the time is near, and from bitter memory we can easily predict what these events will be.

Excerpt from West's Betrayal of Civilisation by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn


43 posted on 10/26/2012 1:02:33 AM PDT by arasina (Communism is EVIL. So there.)
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To: Altariel

This is ENABLING liberalism.
STAND UP for conservative-ism!
Now they know they can walk all over any conservate any time they damn well please and no body is going do anything about it. Enough is enough.
They can let the rubber hit the road and find out just what reality and life is all about.


44 posted on 10/26/2012 2:01:02 AM PDT by conservativesister
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To: Altariel
“Mom, go upstairs. We're all liberals.”

Me: “Oh, daughter, bless your heart! This is my house and you don’t give orders here. You and your friends are guests in my house.”

“Now, you and this rabble have five minutes to pickup your stuff, throw it in that piece of junk you came in, and leave immediately. Before you ask, I don't care where you go; just leave.”

45 posted on 10/26/2012 2:01:46 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: Altariel

Raise ‘em right.

“Hands off” parenting almost always produces liberals.

My son is in the eighth grade, and is as rabidly conservative as I am, and he knows WHY he is conservative.

Gives his teachers fits when he can explain his views and they can’t!

This week, his history teacher told the class, “If people don’t vote, then they don’t have the right to complain.”

My son responded, “What if your choices are a totalitarian dictator vs. a utopian socialist? You don’t have the right to complain that BOTH choices are bad?”

The teacher just looked at him. She couldn’t answer.


46 posted on 10/26/2012 3:33:18 AM PDT by FLAMING DEATH (Freedom of speech is delicious. It tastes like chicken.)
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To: arasina

Good one!


47 posted on 10/26/2012 4:09:17 AM PDT by spankalib (The downside of liberty is the need to tolerate those who despise it.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
This is what happens when parents let schools run by unions raise their children.

Post of the day. Thanks to public schools; we have Obama.

48 posted on 10/26/2012 4:15:36 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

I completely understand. My parents paid me a dime per week to take out the trash when I was 3. At age six I worked in a tobacco field for 50 cents per day. Until I was 16 I mowed neighbors yards, had a newspaper route, and did odd jobs around the neighborhood. At 16 I started working in fast food and at a moving and storage company to fund my college education. I ultimately worked my way up the corporate ladder by producing higher sales and profits at the business units I managed. No helping hands or understanding bosses along the way.

While I helped with tuition,, my daughter worked part time during college to cover her expenses. She also took out loans and earned an academic merit based scholarship her last two years. When she decided to go to graduate school I told her she would have to pay for the degree herself but she could live at home rent free. She worked two jobs getting her masters and took a heavier than normal load so she could finish a semester early. In 2009, when most college grads couln’t find work, she pounded on doors to find a full time job in her field and she found a part time job on weekends. Today she is debt free and still works the second job so she can build her savings. While many of her former classmates still can’t find employment, she is demonstrating that hard work and determination can still result in success. She is also very conservative in her social and political views. To date she has been unable to find a young man who meets her standards.

In my life I’ve met very few liberals who worked from a very early age. It seems the collectivist point of view is associated with dependence at home during the formative years. I remember graduating from college in the morning and reporting to work at a corporate job that same afternoon. The concept of going home to sleep in my parent’s home that night and eat at their table was inconceivable. I was already paying my own way and didn’t want or need a hand or handout.


49 posted on 10/26/2012 5:24:58 AM PDT by Soul of the South
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To: Kickass Conservative

I completely understand. My parents paid me a dime per week to take out the trash when I was 3. At age six I worked in a tobacco field for 50 cents per day. Until I was 16 I mowed neighbors yards, had a newspaper route, and did odd jobs around the neighborhood. At 16 I started working in fast food and at a moving and storage company to fund my college education. I ultimately worked my way up the corporate ladder by producing higher sales and profits at the business units I managed. No helping hands or understanding bosses along the way.

While I helped with tuition,, my daughter worked part time during college to cover her expenses. She also took out loans and earned an academic merit based scholarship her last two years. When she decided to go to graduate school I told her she would have to pay for the degree herself but she could live at home rent free. She worked two jobs getting her masters and took a heavier than normal load so she could finish a semester early. In 2009, when most college grads couln’t find work, she pounded on doors to find a full time job in her field and she found a part time job on weekends. Today she is debt free and still works the second job so she can build her savings. While many of her former classmates still can’t find employment, she is demonstrating that hard work and determination can still result in success. She is also very conservative in her social and political views. To date she has been unable to find a young man who meets her standards.

In my life I’ve met very few liberals who worked from a very early age. It seems the collectivist point of view is associated with dependence at home during the formative years. I remember graduating from college in the morning and reporting to work at a corporate job that same afternoon. The concept of going home to sleep in my parent’s home that night and eat at their table was inconceivable. I was already paying my own way and didn’t want or need a hand or handout.


50 posted on 10/26/2012 5:24:58 AM PDT by Soul of the South
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