Posted on 11/08/2012 9:58:12 AM PST by Para-Ord.45
Not Safe!
Libs would use it as an opening to gut the Bill of Rights!
Right On! Right On!
No. Why was it put in there in the first place? This is a failsafe against a growing tyranny which were are up against right now. Tyranny is growing and the Founders knew it would overtime.
Here’s acounter proposal to Barnett’s idea by the VonMises Institute and it’s damn good too:
http://archive.mises.org/9845/randy-barnetts-federalism-amendmenta-counterproposal/
“2/3 of the States can call for a ConCon and need 3/4 of State Legislatures for ratification, Washington not required in any way shape or form”
I don’t think a Con-Con is the answer but the second half of your comment: “Washington not required in any way shape or form” is the key.
I don’t know what to call it, but a National Local Alliance where conservatives in localities across the nation ally and coordinate to build power.
This is to temper the federal leftist rule as well as to temper the moderate republican influence as well.
Almost like a secession movement comprised of conservative localities.
The most damaging set of policies to the Bill of Rights is the War on Drugs, it directly damages the 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th, and 10th.
Which party is it that supports the War on Drugs?
Yes—see my posts below on Randy Barnett and the Von Mises Institute. Make the Constituion UNBREAKABLE AND UNAVOIDABLE. Restore it to its primary position in our Republic. THIS IS ACTION!!!!
Actually, Article V commands Congress to call the CC on application from the states. Congress also gets to determine whether state legislatures or state conventions get to ratify amendments.
Dingy Harry would simply ignore the Constitution and not call for a CC. Given the decades of abuse to the clear language of so much of the Constitution, I'd give Reid even odds on beating the requirement.
Makes sense. But how would delegates to the convention be chosen? Not sure I’d trust 21st Americans over our Founders.
The problem is not anything in the constitution that so much needs fixing, it is that they are not living up to it. the problem is the screwed up views of about 50.1 % of the electorate.
To carry my roofie analogy out further, the girl (electorate) doesn’t want to screw you, THAT is the problem. The magic solution (presto* a new constitution) will not fix that cold reality (that she finds you unappealing). So if you want to bed the cutie down, then you need to lose the gut, and take her to the movies (address issues that matter to them, and demonstrate that you are a good selection).
There is no substitute. But i suppose in a sense, roofies are a “failsafe”.
The Consitution of the United States is not a mere set of rules. It embodies the essence of thousands of years of Western Civilization, and it is a sacred agreement to protect the rights of the States and the people. The Supreme Court, howver liberal, can be dealt a death blow by clear, simple, concise limits on federal and judicial authority. MTV culture is not relevant to the discussion.
Interesting.
Check the past Con-Cons. That’s what Article 5 says, but that’s not how they’ve been mustered for the past 150 years. Also remember, they can propose whatever they want, but they don’t become law without the appropriate number of votes. It doesn’t work like the chamber of the House or Senate.
Call a Con-Con with specific goals and bills, muster the Governors, vote. It would be suicide to call a convention with an open agenda.
Now replace the word council with con-con, the church with the constitution, and the word heresies with judicial fiat. This is what I am talking about. A con-con can be used to clear up the meaining of the constitution where it cannot be misconstrued as 200 year old language or some other BS the libs make up.
What is most interesting is that it is a similar crowd the heretics and the left-wing penumbra types.
If we are going down the crapper anyway,why not try it?
I would rather real Americans pull the chain as opposed to the Commies.
The con con move could be the way to make the people see more clearly how the left has s l o w l y changed our nation, but more importantly how to stop further erosion and repair what has already been done.
QUOTE: [Barnett}
“consisting of delegates from the several States selected by procedures established by their respective legislatures,”
RED STATE DELEGATES CHOSEN BY RED STATE LEGISLATURES
Barnett:
The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the United States. Article V of the Constitution provides two ways for amendments to be proposed and two ways for them to be ratified. Congress may propose Amendments to the States, or the States may petition Congress to declare a constitutional convention to propose amendments. While there have been resolutions in favor of Constitutional Conventions, Congress has always preempted them by proposing the amendments themselves. Once proposed, an amendment can be ratified by a three-fourths vote of either the State Legislatures, or by State Convention. The amendment can specify how it is to be ratified: only the Twenty-First Amendment was ratified by State Conventions.”
BY THE WAY THE TEA PARTY KNOWS ABOUT THIS BILL. What a rallying cry it would provide.
A con-con isn’t just a bad idea.
It is bat-S!@# crazy! (see my tagline)
The Constitution was written so that ordinary Americans could understand it. It was not written for lawyers or aristocrats. It was not written so that we have to go to an ‘expert’ to decipher its meaning.
By deflecting the question to you to Levin means you have no confidence in yourself. Then why are you here?
Back in 1968 or 69, ESQUIRE magazine had an article on a new proposed constitution. The President would be eliminated and replaced by a “Chairman”.
I don’t remember much more of it except it was said that there would be NO RIGHT for the public to own firearms.
A Con-Con is a bad idea.
The Constitution died finally during the Bush and Obama presidencies with the most damage and the coup de grace delivered by the recent Congress when it ceded to the President the power of ruling by Fiat.
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