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More than 30 states have a serious secession movement
Glenn Beck ^ | 11.13.2012 | Glenn Beck

Posted on 11/13/2012 6:32:38 PM PST by Morgana

The White House website contains a section dedicated to letting the people’s voice be heard. Got an idea for a petition? Got enough signatures? The White House promises it will “be reviewed” and that they will “issue a response” to it. Should be interesting to see how the White House responds to the thirty plus states who have garnered enough signatures to secede from the United States.

“Can I ask you a quick question? Who thinks it’s a good idea to put your name on a petition secede from the United States of America and give it to President Obama?” Glenn said on radio this morning.

According to TheBlaze, over thirty states have petitions for secession submitted to White House with over one thousand signatures each. The Texas petition alone has over 40,000. According to WhiteHouse.gov, petitions with over 25,000 signatures are supposed to receive the attention of the President.

“So after the election, what did people start doing? In 27 states, people started to ask for a peaceful secession from the United States of America. Now how do you think that’s going to work out?” Glenn wondered. “You’re putting your name on a list that goes directly to the White House and you’re putting your name on a list and say ‘Yep, I believe we should secede. I believe there should be a civil war.’ That’s really smart.”

“It says peacefully in it, Glenn. Really, isn’t it just to make a statement,” Stu said.

“Yes, it is. Do you think these people don’t forget who made a statement to them? Are you out of your mind.”

(Excerpt) Read more at glennbeck.com ...


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1 posted on 11/13/2012 6:32:45 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana

These are not serious petitions. And they’re not petitions by the states named.


2 posted on 11/13/2012 6:34:50 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Morgana

States can’t secede, but companies sure can (and are).


3 posted on 11/13/2012 6:34:56 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: Morgana

Beck’s a piece of work, ain’t he? He says take a stand, then says don’t sign the petition.

He exposes Marxist in the Obama administration, then says this has nothing to do with R or D or even L or R.

He celebrates Jim DeMint and Sarah Palin and Allen West, and then says there’s nothing good in the GOP.

I can’t get a bead on that boy. Makes some good points. Problem is, he counters them a minute later.....


4 posted on 11/13/2012 6:35:55 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: Jim Robinson

Techinically you are correct of course. To me, they are an effective use of free speech. They add to the discussion. They make a point.


5 posted on 11/13/2012 6:37:02 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: Jim Robinson

Who is making them then?


6 posted on 11/13/2012 6:37:10 PM PST by Morgana (Time to play cowboys and muslims.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Free speech first class. It just goes to show that if they were serious then over half wants out.


7 posted on 11/13/2012 6:38:53 PM PST by Morgana (Time to play cowboys and muslims.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Exactly, it is stupid to go to whitehouse.gov and beg them for permission to secede. Give BO your name and contact info, why dontcha? The various states must act. Tonight on Hannity, Daniel Miller of the Texas Nationalist Movement is being interviewed.


8 posted on 11/13/2012 6:38:53 PM PST by austingirl
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To: Morgana
I signed one. Maybe someone will get a letter from 'ol Barack himself. "Thank you for your letter. blah, blah. Lemme send you my picture..."

I'm not in the least concerned about it, (but it is kinda fun, and it makes the lefties go absolutely berserk!)

9 posted on 11/13/2012 6:39:13 PM PST by GVnana
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To: freedumb2003

Yes, states can secede, just as the colonists seceded from Britain.


10 posted on 11/13/2012 6:40:10 PM PST by austingirl
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To: Morgana

not sure I understood that post....


11 posted on 11/13/2012 6:41:45 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: Morgana

Hey, if they want to start rounding us up I would rather it be while I am in good physical condition than later when sick and starving...


12 posted on 11/13/2012 6:43:04 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Jim Robinson
What? At least 0bama is required per his own 'petition system' at WH.gov to respond to them.. He'll probably say something like, "I'm looking to ADD States, not remove them.. We gotta get to 57!".. Or, "Are you kidding, one less state means one less state for me to destroy!".. He'll probably not respond at all. What we really need is to secede 0bama from the United States. IMPEACH OBAMA!

How about a petition to Congress demanding they FORCE Hawaii to show 0bama's ORIGINAL birth records? This could end 0bama's presidency. The bc he presented would be proven to be fraudulent.

13 posted on 11/13/2012 6:43:08 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

These petitions are not meant to send a message to Obama, they are meant to send a message to Congress: HOLD FAST.


14 posted on 11/13/2012 6:44:40 PM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: Morgana; Jim Robinson
Secede? Hell no!! This is my country and here I stay. Kick the leftist bastards out!



Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

15 posted on 11/13/2012 6:44:40 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
I can’t get a bead on that boy.

Beck is an attention whore.

16 posted on 11/13/2012 6:44:59 PM PST by TomServo
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To: Morgana

You know it’s bad when both California and New York, ostensibly, ideological soulmates of Obamanation, want to vamoose also. LOL...


17 posted on 11/13/2012 6:45:40 PM PST by 3Fingas
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To: austingirl
Yes, states can secede, just as the colonists seceded from Britain

It would have to be a violent and unsanctioned secession. See Texas v. White

18 posted on 11/13/2012 6:47:04 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
I can’t get a bead on that boy.

I used to hear his radio show once in a while before he was on TV. He came across as a real bad-boy, a sullen wise-acre. Then when I saw him on TV, he seemed completely different! Mr. straight-arrow all of a sudden. He even sounded different! The weird thing is that when I heard him on the radio again, doing his old shtick, he seemed the same as he used to be.

So, yeah ...

19 posted on 11/13/2012 6:47:26 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: C. Edmund Wright

You are exactly right about Beck.


20 posted on 11/13/2012 6:48:43 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Amen. Those who wish to destroy the constitution so they can usher in a communist state should flee to Cuba!!


21 posted on 11/13/2012 6:50:05 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Morgana

I think it was about 20 states yesterday, now 30. Does anybody know who the ten more states are? The lead article didn’t say. I’m wondering if my state, Alaska, is one of them.


22 posted on 11/13/2012 6:51:18 PM PST by sasportas
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To: Morgana

ILL-ANNOY left a long time ago. It is a kingdom with a few fiefdoms wrapped in a family-run RICO organization on top of a bipartisan power club known as The Combine.


23 posted on 11/13/2012 6:52:07 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: austingirl
Yes, states can secede, just as the colonists seceded from Britain.

LOL, except for the minor detail that the "Great Britain" in this context doesn't have the disadvantage of physical separation by a giant ocean, and there is no weapons parity between the seceding party and the parent. The parent has nukes, and handicap-free weapons, not to mention the other machinery of war.

24 posted on 11/13/2012 6:53:37 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Maybe they meant a series petition.


25 posted on 11/13/2012 6:56:40 PM PST by ThomasThomas
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To: Morgana

These “petitions” are on the official White House political propaganda website. They’re a cruel joke on the people by Comrade pResident Obama. The only thing that can ever come of them is the “petitioners” will be added to one or more of Obama’s lists. Pray you don’t end up on his enemies list or get turned over to Butch Janet and her Nazi SS squad as a potential candidate for the Fatherland reeducation camp.


26 posted on 11/13/2012 6:58:11 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: SERKIT

I have never met one person from that state (illinois) that I liked and I’ve been all over the U.S. They and the majority of Californa seem to have a monopoly on producing vile liberal a$$holes that resemble humans...: )


27 posted on 11/13/2012 6:58:16 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Morgana

If these individuals or groups are serious about secession:
1. You organize a vote in your state to show popular support, and for them to vote to leave the union. You cannot demonstrate a majority or large plurality based on an online petition.
2. You do not ask the federal government for permission. They will not grant it. States must choose to leave. The feds may or may not let them, but asking permission is certain to yield a “No” answer.
3. Publishing your name on a federal list with this regime is a guarantee to be put on a terrorist watch list, do not fly list and “audit them every April” list.
4. Signing such a petition with the feds shows you have no sense or opsec. If serious, you don’t create an online petition and sign it. You put people you don’t like on the list to have the government monitor THEM.
5. Signing such a petition may be deemed sedition or treason. You could end up under the NDAA as a homeland terrorist, seeking to overthrow the federal government.


28 posted on 11/13/2012 7:05:13 PM PST by tbw2
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To: Morgana






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We can not wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America. That's what people fail to understand.

We must act NOW.

Start with the election. If we let the Rats get away with this massive voter fraud, we're no better than a bananna republic.

We must keep digging and pounding him every day, in every way we can- phony birth certificate, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, his hidden life, records....

We are FReepers. We must fight!

Those who shrug and accept this atrocity without a fight are not worthy to be called Freepers!

Join us!! See the 'BARACK OBAMA FRAUD 2012- (MUST READ- MUST GO VIRAL!)' thread- Here

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2957976/posts


29 posted on 11/13/2012 7:09:35 PM PST by patriot08 (Native Texas girl)
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To: Jim Robinson

We love you, Jim. But, our presence on FR very likely got us on a list or two.
These petitions will, at worst, add a couple of asterisks to our names. I’ll take that.

So, will anything come of these? I don’t know. What I do know is this: these petitions are making a statement, broadening the audience, and extending the general conversation regarding our political life and future. That alone makes them a good thing.


30 posted on 11/13/2012 7:10:09 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Still seeking change.)
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To: sasportas

All the lists I have seen exclude Alaska, and the Alaska Independent Party website has nothing to say and seems out of date.

I would figure Alaska and Texas would be the first to split off, since I am also in Alaska I would welcome the idea. Only one state needs to cross the line, when other posters say its against the Constitution what crosses my mind is that we may have to break a law to save the law.

Now another state does come to mind and thats Arizona, they may do it first, they are just itching to get loose of Federal controls about illegal immigrants.


31 posted on 11/13/2012 7:14:05 PM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: C. Edmund Wright
He exposes Marxist in the Obama administration, then says this has nothing to do with R or D or even L or R.

I think I'd agree with him here: it's Statism vs Liberty.

32 posted on 11/13/2012 7:16:24 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I have spoken to people who have said this is not for real.

The only reason I re-post this and other stories related is because I fear that there are those out there who do not take this as a joke. So much so that it might start a civil war. Things like this make me edgy. There are always one or two bubba rednecks who are just dying to have the “south rise again”.


33 posted on 11/13/2012 7:16:56 PM PST by Morgana (Time to play cowboys and muslims.)
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To: tbw2
5. Signing such a petition may be deemed sedition or treason. You could end up under the NDAA as a homeland terrorist, seeking to overthrow the federal government.

Signing such a petition cannot legitimately be called Treason, the constitution sets forth a clear definition of treason and this is not it.

34 posted on 11/13/2012 7:20:26 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ConorMacNessa
:-)
35 posted on 11/13/2012 7:23:11 PM PST by yorkie
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To: Morgana

“Who is making them then?”

Anyone who wants to. In fact once you sign in you can “sign” a petition for NY secession, Texas secession, or a petition to deport anyone who signs a secession petition. You (I mean you personally) can create a petition demanding that the UN move to the Falklands. It’s a White House graffiti wall getting publicity from people trying to make you think these petitions are serious, binding, or important.

See what’s going on:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions


36 posted on 11/13/2012 7:26:43 PM PST by DBrow
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To: PubliusMM
If I lived in Texas or any other state that cares deeply about Liberty, I'd think about signing on to a petition. But it would be a petition within that state and it would most likely be a petition started by well known men of impeccable character and high stature and in positions where their efforts are taken serious by their countrymen and the petition would not be directed to the White House. It would be directed to the governor and the state legislature. Until the state governments get serious about defending liberty from federal encroachment, we don't stand a chance. We must get the states to enforce their tenth amendment rights, er, powers!! The states have it in their constitutional power to nullify federal laws that unconstitutionally intrude into their affairs. For example, they should shove obviously unconstitutional acts like ObamaCare up Obama's butt and or the citizens of the states should raise holy hell against them until they do!!
37 posted on 11/13/2012 7:27:03 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: OneWingedShark
Signing such a petition cannot legitimately be called Treason, the constitution sets forth a clear definition of treason and this is not it.

The clear wording of the Constitution has never stopped statists from bending, if not outright breaking it before, why would *this* be any different?

the infowarrior

38 posted on 11/13/2012 7:28:51 PM PST by infowarrior
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To: ConorMacNessa

First post of the thread that expresses my sentiments...

Creagan an Fhithich!


39 posted on 11/13/2012 7:31:07 PM PST by Raven6 (Psalm 144:1 and Proverbs 22:3)
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To: infowarrior

>The clear wording of the Constitution has never stopped statists from bending, if not outright breaking it before, why would *this* be any different?

Good point; but it doesn’t mean that I can’t repudiate the “dissent is treason” thought here, does it?


40 posted on 11/13/2012 7:32:03 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

the constitution sets forth ... Bwaaahahahahahahaha! It means what I, a constitutional scholar, says it means. Now, off to Gitmo with you! I, The Mighty Caliph, Barack, order it...so let it be written; so let it be done!


41 posted on 11/13/2012 7:34:45 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: tbw2

“4. Signing such a petition with the feds shows you have no sense or opsec. If serious, you don’t create an online petition and sign it. You put people you don’t like on the list to have the government monitor THEM.”

Exxxcelent post!


42 posted on 11/13/2012 7:35:28 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Jim Robinson

But these individual petitions stand to collect untold signatures by starting an “I am Spartacus” mentality (see some of the supporters on Beck’s site listing their actual name and phone number). Huge numbers of signatures could trigger referendums in the petitioners’ states. Referendums in the petitioners’ states could tempt a few foreigners to dump US securities. Their dumping could prompt others to dump, and so on. No one wants to hold paper against debt backed by states loaded with people who go on public record as desiring to renege on it.

This little petition movement could kill the US dollar. Hyperinflation would follow, thus insuring mass secession.

On a likelihood scale of 1 to 10, it is about a 1.2. Not likely, to be sure, but reminiscent of the Star Wars scene where the underling says, “We’ve analyzed their attack, sir, and there is a danger.”

Especially dangerous would be for signatories to start signing these petitions for the express purpose of triggering a run on treasuries and killing the dollar.


43 posted on 11/13/2012 7:42:00 PM PST by LessonsLearned
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To: Morgana

This Texas Group is one of some successionist from over the years that have operated under various names. Here is some info on them. At one point they had their own elected officials [governor, etc] and may still have them, I don’t know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Texas_(group)

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The Republic of Texas is a general term for several organizations, some of which have been called militia groups,[1][2][3] that claim that the annexation of Texas by the United States was illegal and that Texas remains an independent nation under occupation. The issue of the legal status of Texas led the group to claim to reinstate a provisional government on December 13, 1995. Activists within the movement claim over 40,000 active supporters; however, there is no widespread popular support for an independent Texas.[4]

The movement for independence was started by the research of Richard Lance (Rick) McLaren. McLaren found that, in 1861, Texans voted four-to-one to leave the Union. According to McLaren’s work, Texas met the qualifications, under international law, of a captive nation of war, since the end of the American Civil War in 1865.

The movement split into three factions in 1996, one led by McLaren, one by David Johnson and Jesse Enloe, and the third by Archie Lowe and Daniel Miller. In 1997, McLaren and his followers kidnapped Joe and Margaret Ann Rowe, held them hostage at the Fort Davis Resort, and demanded the release of a movement member in exchange for the Rowes.[5] [6] McLaren’s wife, Evelyn, convinced him to surrender peacefully after a week-long standoff with police and Texas Rangers. McLaren and four other Republic of Texas members were sent to prison.[7] This effectively destroyed the McLaren faction, and the Johnson-Enloe faction was discredited after two of its members, Jack Abbot Grebe Jr. and Johnie Wise, were convicted in 1998 of threatening to assassinate several government officials, including President Bill Clinton.

In 2003, what remained of the movement consolidated into one dominant group recognizing an “interim” government (which replaced the “provisional” government), headed by Daniel Miller. This interim government claimed authority from the original proclamations of 1995 and set up a headquarters in the town of Overton. The movement split again over legal arguments, resulting in the current state of affairs. Most of the original personalities of the movement have disappeared from public view. The organization’s finances have come from donations and the sale of some items such as a Republic of Texas Passport. The Republic of Texas headquarters in Overton, Texas burned down on August 31, 2005; one person was moderately injured.[8]

In January 2004, a man in jail in Aspen, Colorado claimed that the state of Colorado had no jurisdiction to extradite him to California on a probation warrant, on the grounds that he was a citizen of the Republic of Texas. He claimed that the sliver of land which contains Aspen was a part of the original Republic of Texas and, as such, he was not a citizen of the United States. His claim was rejected by the courts.[9]


44 posted on 11/13/2012 7:42:53 PM PST by deport
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To: C. Edmund Wright

He was saying don’t sign the petition because the list of names just ends up on ‘Big sis’’ computer. But that’s what taking a stand is.. Do it anyway.


45 posted on 11/13/2012 7:42:56 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: LessonsLearned; Morgana

And this just in:

TSA Asking About Secession Petition (vanity)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2959211/posts


46 posted on 11/13/2012 7:46:59 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Gopher it:

TSA Asking About Secession Petition (vanity)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2959211/posts


47 posted on 11/13/2012 7:47:55 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: ConorMacNessa
Secede? Hell no!! This is my country and here I stay. Kick the leftist bastards out!

To kick them out that means you are willing to "fight"?

"WE" would have to fight Federal Troops, National Guard (possibly) and the Local Police.

THAT is what we will have to contend with.

(First) THEY (Police & Military) will carry out orders and arrest those of us in open revolt until such time as there are enough of US willing to fight and possibly die.

Then (and only then) will they will join us for they ALMOST ALL are in agreement with our cause but the local Police/Military won't risk their skins till WE are a large enough force that they will take that risk and do what they know will keep them (and us) FREE.

48 posted on 11/13/2012 7:48:32 PM PST by jongaltsr
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To: Morgana

I believe people need to utilize the Obama website as best they can, it needs to be shown for the farce that it is.

This needs to be done before that site is used against us.

I suspect Axlerod will have his little trained army of social media students driving Obama’s agenda from the site.

Obama will declare that the people have demanded this and and of course the benevolent Obama must do as the people wish.


49 posted on 11/13/2012 7:50:45 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: LessonsLearned

“This little petition movement could kill the US dollar. Hyperinflation would follow, thus insuring mass secession.”

Please give me a scenario where we do not wind up with hyperinflation.

With our official debt, (not the real one where it includes all of the SS funds etc that have been squandered) if every human being on Planet Earth wrote our feral Govt a check for about $2200, our bank account would be ZERO, for just a moment.

Then it would start back negative.


50 posted on 11/13/2012 7:52:00 PM PST by Clay Moore (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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