Skip to comments.More than 30 states have a serious secession movement
Posted on 11/13/2012 6:32:38 PM PST by Morgana
The White House website contains a section dedicated to letting the peoples voice be heard. Got an idea for a petition? Got enough signatures? The White House promises it will be reviewed and that they will issue a response to it. Should be interesting to see how the White House responds to the thirty plus states who have garnered enough signatures to secede from the United States.
Can I ask you a quick question? Who thinks its a good idea to put your name on a petition secede from the United States of America and give it to President Obama? Glenn said on radio this morning.
According to TheBlaze, over thirty states have petitions for secession submitted to White House with over one thousand signatures each. The Texas petition alone has over 40,000. According to WhiteHouse.gov, petitions with over 25,000 signatures are supposed to receive the attention of the President.
So after the election, what did people start doing? In 27 states, people started to ask for a peaceful secession from the United States of America. Now how do you think thats going to work out? Glenn wondered. Youre putting your name on a list that goes directly to the White House and youre putting your name on a list and say Yep, I believe we should secede. I believe there should be a civil war. Thats really smart.
It says peacefully in it, Glenn. Really, isnt it just to make a statement, Stu said.
Yes, it is. Do you think these people dont forget who made a statement to them? Are you out of your mind.
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These are not serious petitions. And they’re not petitions by the states named.
States can’t secede, but companies sure can (and are).
Beck’s a piece of work, ain’t he? He says take a stand, then says don’t sign the petition.
He exposes Marxist in the Obama administration, then says this has nothing to do with R or D or even L or R.
He celebrates Jim DeMint and Sarah Palin and Allen West, and then says there’s nothing good in the GOP.
I can’t get a bead on that boy. Makes some good points. Problem is, he counters them a minute later.....
Techinically you are correct of course. To me, they are an effective use of free speech. They add to the discussion. They make a point.
Who is making them then?
Free speech first class. It just goes to show that if they were serious then over half wants out.
Exactly, it is stupid to go to whitehouse.gov and beg them for permission to secede. Give BO your name and contact info, why dontcha? The various states must act. Tonight on Hannity, Daniel Miller of the Texas Nationalist Movement is being interviewed.
I'm not in the least concerned about it, (but it is kinda fun, and it makes the lefties go absolutely berserk!)
Yes, states can secede, just as the colonists seceded from Britain.
not sure I understood that post....
Hey, if they want to start rounding us up I would rather it be while I am in good physical condition than later when sick and starving...
How about a petition to Congress demanding they FORCE Hawaii to show 0bama's ORIGINAL birth records? This could end 0bama's presidency. The bc he presented would be proven to be fraudulent.
These petitions are not meant to send a message to Obama, they are meant to send a message to Congress: HOLD FAST.
Beck is an attention whore.
You know it’s bad when both California and New York, ostensibly, ideological soulmates of Obamanation, want to vamoose also. LOL...
It would have to be a violent and unsanctioned secession. See Texas v. White
I used to hear his radio show once in a while before he was on TV. He came across as a real bad-boy, a sullen wise-acre. Then when I saw him on TV, he seemed completely different! Mr. straight-arrow all of a sudden. He even sounded different! The weird thing is that when I heard him on the radio again, doing his old shtick, he seemed the same as he used to be.
So, yeah ...
You are exactly right about Beck.
Amen. Those who wish to destroy the constitution so they can usher in a communist state should flee to Cuba!!
I think it was about 20 states yesterday, now 30. Does anybody know who the ten more states are? The lead article didn’t say. I’m wondering if my state, Alaska, is one of them.
ILL-ANNOY left a long time ago. It is a kingdom with a few fiefdoms wrapped in a family-run RICO organization on top of a bipartisan power club known as The Combine.
LOL, except for the minor detail that the "Great Britain" in this context doesn't have the disadvantage of physical separation by a giant ocean, and there is no weapons parity between the seceding party and the parent. The parent has nukes, and handicap-free weapons, not to mention the other machinery of war.
Maybe they meant a series petition.
These “petitions” are on the official White House political propaganda website. They’re a cruel joke on the people by Comrade pResident Obama. The only thing that can ever come of them is the “petitioners” will be added to one or more of Obama’s lists. Pray you don’t end up on his enemies list or get turned over to Butch Janet and her Nazi SS squad as a potential candidate for the Fatherland reeducation camp.
I have never met one person from that state (illinois) that I liked and I’ve been all over the U.S. They and the majority of Californa seem to have a monopoly on producing vile liberal a$$holes that resemble humans...: )
If these individuals or groups are serious about secession:
1. You organize a vote in your state to show popular support, and for them to vote to leave the union. You cannot demonstrate a majority or large plurality based on an online petition.
2. You do not ask the federal government for permission. They will not grant it. States must choose to leave. The feds may or may not let them, but asking permission is certain to yield a “No” answer.
3. Publishing your name on a federal list with this regime is a guarantee to be put on a terrorist watch list, do not fly list and “audit them every April” list.
4. Signing such a petition with the feds shows you have no sense or opsec. If serious, you don’t create an online petition and sign it. You put people you don’t like on the list to have the government monitor THEM.
5. Signing such a petition may be deemed sedition or treason. You could end up under the NDAA as a homeland terrorist, seeking to overthrow the federal government.
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We can not wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America. That's what people fail to understand.
We must act NOW.
Start with the election. If we let the Rats get away with this massive voter fraud, we're no better than a bananna republic.
We must keep digging and pounding him every day, in every way we can- phony birth certificate, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, his hidden life, records....
We are FReepers. We must fight!
Those who shrug and accept this atrocity without a fight are not worthy to be called Freepers!
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We love you, Jim. But, our presence on FR very likely got us on a list or two.
These petitions will, at worst, add a couple of asterisks to our names. I’ll take that.
So, will anything come of these? I don’t know. What I do know is this: these petitions are making a statement, broadening the audience, and extending the general conversation regarding our political life and future. That alone makes them a good thing.
All the lists I have seen exclude Alaska, and the Alaska Independent Party website has nothing to say and seems out of date.
I would figure Alaska and Texas would be the first to split off, since I am also in Alaska I would welcome the idea. Only one state needs to cross the line, when other posters say its against the Constitution what crosses my mind is that we may have to break a law to save the law.
Now another state does come to mind and thats Arizona, they may do it first, they are just itching to get loose of Federal controls about illegal immigrants.
I think I'd agree with him here: it's Statism vs Liberty.
I have spoken to people who have said this is not for real.
The only reason I re-post this and other stories related is because I fear that there are those out there who do not take this as a joke. So much so that it might start a civil war. Things like this make me edgy. There are always one or two bubba rednecks who are just dying to have the “south rise again”.
Signing such a petition cannot legitimately be called Treason, the constitution sets forth a clear definition of treason and this is not it.
“Who is making them then?”
Anyone who wants to. In fact once you sign in you can “sign” a petition for NY secession, Texas secession, or a petition to deport anyone who signs a secession petition. You (I mean you personally) can create a petition demanding that the UN move to the Falklands. It’s a White House graffiti wall getting publicity from people trying to make you think these petitions are serious, binding, or important.
See what’s going on:
The clear wording of the Constitution has never stopped statists from bending, if not outright breaking it before, why would *this* be any different?
First post of the thread that expresses my sentiments...
Creagan an Fhithich!
>The clear wording of the Constitution has never stopped statists from bending, if not outright breaking it before, why would *this* be any different?
Good point; but it doesn’t mean that I can’t repudiate the “dissent is treason” thought here, does it?
the constitution sets forth ... Bwaaahahahahahahaha! It means what I, a constitutional scholar, says it means. Now, off to Gitmo with you! I, The Mighty Caliph, Barack, order it...so let it be written; so let it be done!
“4. Signing such a petition with the feds shows you have no sense or opsec. If serious, you dont create an online petition and sign it. You put people you dont like on the list to have the government monitor THEM.”
But these individual petitions stand to collect untold signatures by starting an “I am Spartacus” mentality (see some of the supporters on Beck’s site listing their actual name and phone number). Huge numbers of signatures could trigger referendums in the petitioners’ states. Referendums in the petitioners’ states could tempt a few foreigners to dump US securities. Their dumping could prompt others to dump, and so on. No one wants to hold paper against debt backed by states loaded with people who go on public record as desiring to renege on it.
This little petition movement could kill the US dollar. Hyperinflation would follow, thus insuring mass secession.
On a likelihood scale of 1 to 10, it is about a 1.2. Not likely, to be sure, but reminiscent of the Star Wars scene where the underling says, “We’ve analyzed their attack, sir, and there is a danger.”
Especially dangerous would be for signatories to start signing these petitions for the express purpose of triggering a run on treasuries and killing the dollar.
This Texas Group is one of some successionist from over the years that have operated under various names. Here is some info on them. At one point they had their own elected officials [governor, etc] and may still have them, I don’t know.
The Republic of Texas is a general term for several organizations, some of which have been called militia groups, that claim that the annexation of Texas by the United States was illegal and that Texas remains an independent nation under occupation. The issue of the legal status of Texas led the group to claim to reinstate a provisional government on December 13, 1995. Activists within the movement claim over 40,000 active supporters; however, there is no widespread popular support for an independent Texas.
The movement for independence was started by the research of Richard Lance (Rick) McLaren. McLaren found that, in 1861, Texans voted four-to-one to leave the Union. According to McLaren’s work, Texas met the qualifications, under international law, of a captive nation of war, since the end of the American Civil War in 1865.
The movement split into three factions in 1996, one led by McLaren, one by David Johnson and Jesse Enloe, and the third by Archie Lowe and Daniel Miller. In 1997, McLaren and his followers kidnapped Joe and Margaret Ann Rowe, held them hostage at the Fort Davis Resort, and demanded the release of a movement member in exchange for the Rowes.  McLaren’s wife, Evelyn, convinced him to surrender peacefully after a week-long standoff with police and Texas Rangers. McLaren and four other Republic of Texas members were sent to prison. This effectively destroyed the McLaren faction, and the Johnson-Enloe faction was discredited after two of its members, Jack Abbot Grebe Jr. and Johnie Wise, were convicted in 1998 of threatening to assassinate several government officials, including President Bill Clinton.
In 2003, what remained of the movement consolidated into one dominant group recognizing an “interim” government (which replaced the “provisional” government), headed by Daniel Miller. This interim government claimed authority from the original proclamations of 1995 and set up a headquarters in the town of Overton. The movement split again over legal arguments, resulting in the current state of affairs. Most of the original personalities of the movement have disappeared from public view. The organization’s finances have come from donations and the sale of some items such as a Republic of Texas Passport. The Republic of Texas headquarters in Overton, Texas burned down on August 31, 2005; one person was moderately injured.
In January 2004, a man in jail in Aspen, Colorado claimed that the state of Colorado had no jurisdiction to extradite him to California on a probation warrant, on the grounds that he was a citizen of the Republic of Texas. He claimed that the sliver of land which contains Aspen was a part of the original Republic of Texas and, as such, he was not a citizen of the United States. His claim was rejected by the courts.
He was saying don’t sign the petition because the list of names just ends up on ‘Big sis’’ computer. But that’s what taking a stand is.. Do it anyway.
And this just in:
TSA Asking About Secession Petition (vanity)
TSA Asking About Secession Petition (vanity)
To kick them out that means you are willing to "fight"?
"WE" would have to fight Federal Troops, National Guard (possibly) and the Local Police.
THAT is what we will have to contend with.
(First) THEY (Police & Military) will carry out orders and arrest those of us in open revolt until such time as there are enough of US willing to fight and possibly die.
Then (and only then) will they will join us for they ALMOST ALL are in agreement with our cause but the local Police/Military won't risk their skins till WE are a large enough force that they will take that risk and do what they know will keep them (and us) FREE.
I believe people need to utilize the Obama website as best they can, it needs to be shown for the farce that it is.
This needs to be done before that site is used against us.
I suspect Axlerod will have his little trained army of social media students driving Obama’s agenda from the site.
Obama will declare that the people have demanded this and and of course the benevolent Obama must do as the people wish.
“This little petition movement could kill the US dollar. Hyperinflation would follow, thus insuring mass secession.”
Please give me a scenario where we do not wind up with hyperinflation.
With our official debt, (not the real one where it includes all of the SS funds etc that have been squandered) if every human being on Planet Earth wrote our feral Govt a check for about $2200, our bank account would be ZERO, for just a moment.
Then it would start back negative.
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