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Thanksgiving tragedy: Two dead and more than 120 injured in massive pileup.......
mailonline ^ | 11.22.2012 | dmr

Posted on 11/22/2012 7:25:16 PM PST by Morgana

FULL TITLE: Thanksgiving tragedy: Two dead and more than 120 injured in massive pileup involving over 100 vehicles on foggy Texas interstate

wo people are dead and more than 120 injured, some critically, after a massive pile-up today involving at least 100 vehicles that left trucks twisted on top of each other and authorities rushing to pull survivors from the miles of wreckage.

The Thanksgiving Day collision happened around 8am on Interstate 10 southwest of Beaumont, a Gulf Coast city about 80 miles east of Houston.

Extremely dense fog blanketing a section of the Texas interstate made conditions treacherous for drivers heading to Thanksgiving holiday feasts.

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A man and a woman were killed in a Chevy Suburban SUV crushed by a tractor trailer, the Texas Department of Public Safety told KFDM-TV.

Officials at Acadian Ambulance service said more than 50 people have been taken to area hospitals in Beaumont, Port Arthur and Winnie. At least eight are critically hurt. The most seriously injured were being transported to Houston, about 75 miles away.

Multiple ambulance crews responded and transported patients to area hospitals.

Baptist Beaumont Hospital spokeswoman Mary Poole told KFDM News they've received at least 21 patients. One was in critical condition. They've transported two children and one adult with head injuries to a Houston hospital.

It wasn't immediately clear how the pileup began, but Jefferson County Sheriff's Office Deputy Rod Carroll said the fog was so thick that deputies didn't immediately realize they were dealing with multiple accidents.

The westbound lane of the interstate has been reopened, he said.

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1 posted on 11/22/2012 7:25:30 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana

Fog plus new 85 mph speed limit = tragedy


2 posted on 11/22/2012 7:30:58 PM PST by ImNotLying (The MSM bears a close resemblance to the world's oldest profession!)
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To: Morgana

I got into that crap once going around the Richmond beltway.

You cannot see, and you want to slow down, but you are frightened that somebody will run in the back of you, so you go a little slower and pray. Afraid to stop because you know you will get it from behind,even at the curb.


3 posted on 11/22/2012 7:31:10 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Morgana

I know the area well. About thirty years ago I experienced the worst fog I’ve ever encountered right in that very vicinity (highway 73 between Winnie and Port Arthur, tx). Even my car’s hood-ornament was virtually impossible to see. Made for a hair-raising drive, inching along about ten miles per hour. And no place to turn off, as it was all wet marshland.


4 posted on 11/22/2012 7:35:59 PM PST by greene66
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To: ImNotLying

I think the 85 mph speed limit is only on that new toll road between Austin & San Antonio... It’s not statewide.

So sad so many involved. Prayers for all!


5 posted on 11/22/2012 7:45:41 PM PST by RebelTXRose
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To: ImNotLying

I don’t think the limit is 85 on Interstate 10.


6 posted on 11/22/2012 7:45:47 PM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: ImNotLying

The 85 mph speed limit is on a toll road south of Austin to Seguin, not anywhere close to the Golden Triangle area along the Texas coast.


7 posted on 11/22/2012 7:47:43 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: Morgana

I can remember slowly driving near Freeport TX with the Jeep pulling an airboat, door open, looking down at the center line because I could not see the road over the hood. Fortunantly there was no traffic on the road at 0400 or whatever time it was.


8 posted on 11/22/2012 7:53:51 PM PST by Clay Moore (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Morgana

Dense fog.... We call that Winter.


9 posted on 11/22/2012 7:58:27 PM PST by REDWOOD99 ("Everyone should pay taxes. Everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: ImNotLying

“Fog plus new 85 mph speed limit = tragedy”

Yeah, everyone should drive 45mph on the freeways so the old farts with cataracts that shouldn’t be driving in the first place feel comfortable.


10 posted on 11/22/2012 8:00:54 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Morgana

People overestimate their driving skills the traction and braking ability of their vehicles. I’ve been on I-10 in Houston in the driving rain and saw people doing well past the limit with low visibility going around other c ars like it was a slalom.


11 posted on 11/22/2012 8:05:22 PM PST by ffusco (The President will return this country to what it once was...An arctic wasteland covered in ice.)
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To: ImNotLying

/////Fog plus new 85 mph speed limit = tragedy//////

you need to get your facts straight, because you have no idea what your talking about........


12 posted on 11/22/2012 8:46:31 PM PST by is_is (VP Dad of Sgt. G - My Hero - "Sleep Well America......Your Marines have your Back")
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To: Morgana

RIP.


13 posted on 11/22/2012 10:16:27 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: dynoman
I don’t think the limit is 85 on Interstate 10.

Doesn't matter what the speed limit is - what matters is that too many idiots will ignore conditions of almost zero visibility and risk everything for the "convenience" of a quicker trip. I've seen videos of pile ups and one shows a bunch of cars piled up, a new car hits a semi in the rear and as folks rush out to check the car, another semi runs into the car at about 45 MPH and totally crushes it between the trucks. It was a perfect example of why stupid should be a prosecutable offense.

14 posted on 11/23/2012 5:27:32 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Morgana

A dumb question—but I cannot help asking. Sometimes (up north here) stretches of interstate are closed for a period of time due to road conditions—ice storm; heavy snow—long enough to get salt trucks and plows out. an inconvenience yes—but a needed one. Do they ever do that due to the heavy fog?


15 posted on 11/23/2012 5:40:29 AM PST by PennsylvaniaMom (Mourning in America.)
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To: ImNotLying
Fog plus new 85 mph speed limit = tragedy

People who think that way=tragedy.

I can go with fog + stupid people = tragedy. Unless the idiots slow down to a safe speed, there is no cure. I've seen footage of pile ups and it's obvious that folks are putting blind (in a real sense) trust and faith that everyone ahead of them is also going the speed limit and all they need to do is stay between the lines. One case showed a car smash into the back of a semi that was involved in the pile up - no indication of the brakes ever being hit due to the "sudden" appearance of the obstruction. Folks were running out to check the car when another semi (at least 40 mph and no sign of brakes) crushed the car between it and the front semi.

It all goes to prove the point - you can make things fool-proof, but you can't make them damn-fool-proof. It's the sheer number of damn fools in the world that cause these tragic pile ups - it has nothing to do with speed limits - I thought that everyone who was old enough to drive knew that speed limits are designed for optimum conditions and that you were supposed to slow down as conditions declined. I guess that information I learned in the 60s is just as useless now as it was then. You can lead a mind to the classroom, you just can't make it learn.

16 posted on 11/23/2012 5:43:11 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: CodeToad
Yeah, everyone should drive 45mph on the freeways so the old farts with cataracts that shouldn’t be driving in the first place feel comfortable.

Cataracts had nothing to do with it. If you run into dense fog and can't see the road in front of you, then yes, you need to slow down. We get white outs up north and the only thing you can see out of your windshield is a wall of white. The visibility is a couple of feet at best. Anybody who tries to maintain the posted speed limit in those circumstances is a leading contestant for the Darwin Awards.

17 posted on 11/23/2012 6:02:13 AM PST by Sirius Lee (RE SP - Republicans, from Mitt Romney ..to Karl Rove... are said to be concerned she will win.")
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To: Sirius Lee
We get white outs up north and the only thing you can see out of your windshield is a wall of white. The visibility is a couple of feet at best.

I can attest to that.

Anybody who tries to maintain the posted speed limit in those circumstances is a leading contestant for the Darwin Awards.

Pass me now, see you later, (hopefully unbent and right side up).

There are times when the best speed is 0. I have been unable to discern road features well enough to stay out of (snow filled) ditches at 5 mph, barely twitching the needle. And BTW, the ridge of snow left by the end of the plow on two-lane (no shoulder) and other secondary roads here (many of which are gravel) is commonly 3-4 feet out past the end of the road surface, to cut down on how fast the road drifts over.

Don't go by that edge as if it was the edge of the road, or you will end up like I did. I thought I was 3 feet over on the road when I hit the ditch. If I had been going any faster, my engine would have been packed off with snow and shut down. At least I had heat, even if I had to overfill the crankcase a little to keep the oil pickup from sucking air. (Blizzard two years ago).

Better yet, if you don't have to go, stay where you are.

18 posted on 11/23/2012 12:59:50 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: RebelTXRose

Not really San Antonio more like Georgetown to Seguin but yeah its on the toll road only


19 posted on 11/23/2012 1:05:24 PM PST by Rightly Biased (Avenge me Girls AVENEGE ME!!!! ( I don't have any son's))
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To: RebelTXRose

Not really San Antonio more like Georgetown to Seguin but yeah its on the toll road only


20 posted on 11/23/2012 1:08:14 PM PST by Rightly Biased (Avenge me Girls AVENEGE ME!!!! ( I don't have any son's))
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To: Smokin' Joe

Some days it’s not worth getting out of bed.


21 posted on 11/23/2012 1:45:17 PM PST by xp38
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To: xp38
Some days it’s not worth getting out of bed.

Hey! Someone has to shovel the sidewalk!

22 posted on 11/23/2012 9:16:33 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Morgana
I have never really under stood these fog crashes all that well. Where I lived in Denver a few years back the shortest way to the highway for me was always through some of the foggiest conditions I have ever seen. The fag was there pretty much ever day due to the waste water plant dumping warm water into the South Platte river in the river basin right were the 2 lane road went over the bridge.
My first thought was always to slow down due to the limited visibility and not to speed up to get through it faster.
23 posted on 11/23/2012 10:17:14 PM PST by SledgeCS (Good Men Died. Obama Lied. Impeach the LYING COWARD!!!)
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To: CodeToad
Yeah, everyone should drive 45mph on the freeways so the old farts with cataracts that shouldn’t be driving in the first place feel comfortable.

Temper Temper, if you play your cards you will get there some day,then you will have cataracts, weak bladder so you can wear paper pants, bad knees so you can use a walker, or cane. Have some smart ass complain about your disabilities.

24 posted on 11/23/2012 10:31:47 PM PST by BooBoo1000 ( Your life is like a coin, you can spend it on what ever you want, but you can only spend it once.)
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To: BooBoo1000

“Have some smart ass complain about your disabilities. “

What’s that got to do with unsafe elderly drivers?


25 posted on 11/24/2012 7:54:45 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Rightly Biased

Thanks for the correction - I’m in Dallas - knew it was Austin area and nowhere near Beaumont.


26 posted on 11/24/2012 12:02:40 PM PST by RebelTXRose
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