Skip to comments.Continued: Little Falls teen shooting deaths called 'cold-blooded’
Posted on 11/27/2012 7:59:37 AM PST by Uncle Chip
LITTLE FALLS, MINN. - Insisting the case crosses the line from self-defense to a cold-blooded double execution, Morrison County authorities filed second-degree murder charges Monday against a 64-year-old man who killed two teenage cousins after they'd broken into his home on Thanksgiving.
This woodsy central Minnesota town of 8,000 was jolted as the gruesome details spilled out in a criminal complaint, alleging Byron David Smith put a handgun under the chin of wounded and gasping 18-year-old Haile Kifer for what he told police was a "good clean finishing shot."
Smith, who according to a friend and a relative had endured previous break-ins, sat shackled in an orange jail jumpsuit as County Attorney Brian Middendorf accused him of "cold-blooded murder of two teenagers under circumstances that are appalling and far beyond any self-defense claim."
Sheriff Michel Wetzel said Monday that he believes the teenagers were committing a burglary but said Smith's reaction went beyond legal protections of Minnesota law that allows crime victims to use reasonable force to protect themselves and their property during a felony.
"We understand and respect that right exists, but what happened in this case went further," Wetzel said. "The law doesn't permit you to execute somebody when there's no possible way the crime can continue."
And the law requires people to notify police, said Wetzel, who learned about the shooting from a neighbor the next day. The sheriff said the reason Smith gave for never calling police was "it was Thanksgiving and he didn't want to bother us on a holiday."
Hamline University School of Law professor Joseph Olson, who has studied self-defense laws, noted that the number of Smith's shots will make it difficult for him to claim self-defense in court.
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Unrelated historical note: Little Falls is the home town of Charles Limbergh. They have a nice little Limbergh musium there if you’re ever in the neighborhood.
This guy is a cold blooded murderer. Probably a psychopath. I hope he gets the maximum penalty allowed by the state of MN.
Here are the burglars.. GIRL POWER?
He is charged with ‘murdering’ two teens.
Gad, the propaganda. “They were such nice kids, everybody loved them, inseparable, yadayada.”
What, exactly, are the workplace guarantees that criminals can expect when they choose this line of work? To be only shot once? To be asked, politely, to leave. To have to pay for the broken windows and smashed in doors, or is that just the victim’s tough luck? To be able to laugh and ‘express their feelings’ to the person they are robbing?
Might be none of the above.
“Unrelated historical note: Little Falls is the home town of Charles Limbergh”
Is that the guy who invented Limbergher cheese?
Never say anything except "I was in fear for my life".
I don’t know which way to go on this story.. It’s possible these kids were breaking into his house and stealing stuff over a number of many days or months.. Or, it’s possible they didn’t even break into his house and that he lured them in. I’d like to see the police reports from prior burglaries. Also, if this man has lost valuables on numerous occasions I can understand his rage. These kids don’t look thugs but.. Who the hell knows anymore.
That's my defense and I'm sticking to it.
You can defend your property from burglars, and if they die in the process, them’s the breaks. But you can’t execute burglars as they’re bleeding out on the floor at your feet.
The girl hears multiple gun shots in the basement. So what? She calmly walks down there to see what’s going on?
Dollars to donuts she no longer looked pretty and fresh by the time of her demise, due to meth or other-drug-of-choice.
I’m pretty sure shooting up a 18 year old girl finding out she’s not dead so you put a gun under her chin and blow her head off......
belongs in some sick slashed flic
No, that would be Rush Limbergh.
I know who’s getting the longer life sentence of the 3.
Agreed 100%. No way to condone what he did, but criminals had better understand that their actions have consequences, sometime severe, or even final.
Tragic, but I won’t waste any tears over these two.
Not girl power, meth power.
He was so upset at all the stuff stolen from him in previous burglaries that he shoots and kills probably the only people that know where it is and could get it back for him.
Still, a perplexing story.. He went for the overkill, possibly in a hyper-engraged state, or maybe just wacko. I can understand that if his place has been hit on multiple occasions and his valuables stolen. These kids should’ve been at home with family on Thanksgiving! You’re probably right.. Valuables for money for meth.
Had they not broken in to his house, they'd still be alive.
I would have even no-billed Ed Gein under such circumstances.
Don't be silly. He's the guy who flew over Atlanta.
Yup. Dead wholesome, live for the moment Yutes tell no tales.
Sounds like he was using .22 rimfire stuff. Undergunned I would speculate. Take a couple of .45 ACP’s and then let’s hear ya laugh.
He was known as "The Lone Beagle".
However, the shooter in this case is in serious trouble and from what I've read, rightly so. If it's true, a 'finishing shot' goes quite far beyond any reasonable definition of self-defense.
Chuck actually didn’t make the first non-stop flight across the Atlantic. That was done by John Alcock and Arthur Whitten. The key word is “SOLO”.
Red Solo cup. I fill you up.
So, what should have happened to the drug-addict thieves?
Tea and crumpets? Maybe a nice warm bath with some hot cocoa? Maybe they should have chosen a different home with an elderly guy that wasn’t armed that they could have beaten to death and THEN taken all his stuff...
Maybe that would have fit your delicate sensibilities better.
They were bringing him turkey dinner, glad tidings of great joy, and Skittles.
The guy would've gotten off without charge if the teens had been gunned down while breaking in. The fact that the guy had been robbed before and was under high stress will, I suspect, play a major role in his defense.
A kid I knew from my high school days once told me that he got an adrenaline rush by burgling homes. I told him he should take up a safer sport like alligator wrestling because he could end up dead. Unfortunately for him, that is exactly what happened not long afterward.
This reminds me of the case of the pharmacist who was being robbed a couple of years ago. He shot one of the robbers and put him down. He then slowly walked out from behind the counter, stood over the bleedindg, incapacitated man’s body and cooly emptied the rest of his gun’s magazine into the defensless man. It was all captured on security video. Needless to say, those prosecutor’s didn’t buy a self defense claim either.
Yep. Minnesota has a long history of coddling criminals and punishing those who attempt to defend themselves. Especially if you do it "wrong". "Wrong" being whatever hyperbole and trial by public opinion/lynching the DA and the Red Star can drum up.
In the basement he’d retreated to, after breaking in to his home, possibly after having robbed him before...
Yeah. Misunderstood carolers lured to their deaths by a criminal mastermind for sure...
It’s a case like this that the left will use to take the rights of responsible gun owners away.
They came in through a bedroom window (presumably on the second floor). The shots were in the basement. It is conceivable that the sound was sufficiently muffled by distance and intervening ceilings that it didn't register to her that they were shots.
The guy is nuts.
Here’s a tip to the future Kifer’s of the world. Bad things can happen when you break the law.
I think it was more than likely the gunshot under the chin that accomplished that.
Since they were both in high school, 17 and 18, there should be some recent school pictures. Actually these pictures of them look like they are about 17/18.
They have no problem just making it up. “Truth” and “facts” are all relative for the hoplophobes and tyrant-wannabes.
sometimes, you can do BOTH:
“Alligators found at scene of suspected drug shooting “
“...at least they died doing what they loved.”
He certainly was...
Should have never said anything to the police other than, “I retreated to the basement, I was in fear for my life, I will cooperate fully after I have talked with my lawyer...”
That doesn't matter! The Second Amendment does not give this cretin ore anyone else the Right to act as Judge Jury and Executioner. H eshot them and they were then unable to harm him. They were unarmed. What possible right to you think that the guy had to take his 'nice finsihing shot'?
From what I’ve read, the individual in question admitted to putting a gun under the girl’s chin and shooting a ‘finishing shot’.
That’s how you kill deer, not deal with an intruder. It’s quite true that we haven’t heard the details of the break-in, which is why I qualified my earlier statement. I want all the details before making a judgment.
Still, if it’s true that an execution-style killing ended this sad story, can you really defend it?
I dont know I think that there has to be a lot of consideration for what is going on and how it works with the average person. If someone is robbing the victim, viticim pulse and blood pressure goes way up and judgment diminishes of course after heart rate reaches 136.
I would say that anyone who commits a crime like this against another, has to endure the consequences. Whether it is being shot, hit or chased down and killed. It certainly would make some people think twice about breaking and entering. Currently the law holds back the hand of the victim.
LEOs are trained on holding back force and I still see things that amaze me about them.
“,but this just sounds like someone who was ready,willing and able to kill.”
There is somthing wrong with that???
That made me LOL!
Did you even bother to read the article? If you did and then posted wht you posted you should be ashamed. We do not condone cold blooded murder in this country. He Murdered those kids. I don’t argue with his right to shoot anyone who breaks into his house. I do however draw the line at shooting a wounded human being in the head, as a nice clean finishing shot! If you can’t see that as murder then you need to seriously relect upon the state of your soul!
His lawyers should and probably will claim diminished capacity and they should be able to find a doctor somewhere who will say he is suffering from early on set dementia.
This is probably the facts.
The kids were where they had no business being, and we don’t know jhow many times they have burgled in the same neighborhood.
Wait a few weeks and see if burglaries go down.
Nonsense. A gun goes off in the basement the whole house rings.
I notice from the article update that the police are still investigating the crime scene.
They thus far are only saying that the two broke and entered and were burglarizing the home.
I’m sure they are looking carefully at his story of shooting them as they were coming down the stairs to the basement.
Yes. I have ZERO sympathy for thieves and anyone else who initiated force/fraud/theft against someone else.
She was dying anyway. If he had just let her gasp on for a few more minutes, would that have made him "more humane" in your eyes and that of the Leftist Mlps Star Tribune?
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