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What Will You Do When the Lights Go Out?
SHTF Plan ^ | 11/30/12 | Daisy Luther

Posted on 11/30/2012 10:08:24 PM PST by Kartographer

Some people believe that we are hurtling towards physical disaster with our delicate electrical grid. Just how that disaster might occur is open for debate, but we need only look at major power outages over the last few years to see how precarious our grasp on electricity is. It isn’t a matter of “if” the lights will go out, but a matter of “when”.

Severe weather has given the grid a walloping over the past few years. For example, three years ago, parts of Kentucky, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Indiana, Illinois, West Virginia and Missouri suffered through 3 weeks sans power after a record-setting ice storm. Last summer, people in the Washington, DC metropolitan area were without power for a week during a heat wave as the result of a severe thunderstorm accompanied by high winds. And most recently, of course, we have witnessed the plight of the victims of Hurricane Sandy as they have struggled to function in the most populated area in the United States without electricity and running water, all while attempting to clean up the detritus of the massive storm.

Mother Nature could have other tricks up her sleeve with the possibility of a solar flare-related coronal mass ejection that could cause not only outages but irreparable damage to items powered by electricity. Many countries have developed EMP (electromagnetic pulse) weapons that could perpetrate the same type of damage.

Yet another grim possibility is that as the economy continues to degrade, more and more people simply won’t be able to afford to keep the electricity on in their homes.

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1 posted on 11/30/2012 10:08:36 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ Ping!!


2 posted on 11/30/2012 10:12:26 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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4 posted on 11/30/2012 10:13:19 PM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Kartographer

When the lights go out I will studiously reject the truth for several days. I will believe they will come back on, all the while knowing they will not. I will reject my gut feeling in deference to what I have been taught to believe. My camping equipment will be a temporary measurement. I will act amused as the fear grows, as reality presents itself.


6 posted on 11/30/2012 10:17:17 PM PST by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Kartographer

We will light the oil lamps, throw a log or two on the wood stove..

When the morning comes with no power I may fire up a small generator. I have another PTO generator that will run the whole farm I’ve never had to use yet...

Play it by ear from there I guess.


7 posted on 11/30/2012 10:27:19 PM PST by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: Kartographer

With high quality flashlights and head lamps that will produce gentle, consistent light for 100 hours and more, on a single AA battery, and with rechargeable batteries that only have to be recharged every couple of years, and solar battery chargers, it isn’t as serious as it used to be in regards to having just the lighting, and radios, CD players, and other battery powered devices.


8 posted on 11/30/2012 10:31:14 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Kartographer

In Revelations it states that the whole world will look upon the bodies of the slain prophets for 3 1/2 days. So, I think we will have internet and electricity until then, but after that, all bets are off.


9 posted on 11/30/2012 10:36:36 PM PST by RushingWater
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To: Kartographer

Go into withdrawal because I won’t be able to access Drudge and FR?


10 posted on 11/30/2012 10:37:03 PM PST by Blackirish
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To: KittenClaws

I drive to work, but it has been castrated by the outage. They too, believe this is temporary, and give me a week off with pay. On my way home, I stop at the grocery for extra supplies.

I’ve been preparing my larder, but I am not a fool after all.

There is a bit of bottled water, which I take,, some canned ham, a bag of sugar and flour, no Korn kits, but a few cans of condensed milk, two bags of dry cat food the same for the dogs.

I go home, expecting the best, believing the worst, but believing I am a crazy fool. What will I do with all this crap when the lights come back on?


11 posted on 11/30/2012 10:38:14 PM PST by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Kartographer

Personally, I think almost everybody underestimates the odds of a major grid collapse.

Even many preppers underestimate the risk.

The list of things that could trigger this is as long as my arm.

If the grid goes down nationwide, and STAYS down, we’ll have swarms of locusts oozing out of our major cities within three days. They won’t survive long, but they’ll devour everything in their path before they die.


12 posted on 11/30/2012 10:42:48 PM PST by EternalHope (Be ready.)
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To: KittenClaws

Around the fourteenth day I hear voices in the streets. I do not hear words but tones. Both questioning and challenging. I do not look.


13 posted on 11/30/2012 10:44:01 PM PST by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Kartographer

Lock and Load.


14 posted on 11/30/2012 10:54:09 PM PST by exnavy (Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: RushingWater

Bible doesn’t mention America at all, so the grid going down here wouldn’t be a stretch of the imagination at all. I hold to the theory that because the Bible doesn’t mention us at all when it comes to the end times, something happens to this nation before hand to make us a non-relevant entity on the world stage. Lets face it, right now we still have way too much influence on the world for Rev prophecy to start kicking in. When Obama is done with us however, who knows??


15 posted on 11/30/2012 10:57:25 PM PST by eak3
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To: Kartographer
I'll have light for as long as I need it.

I'll have warmth with a “safe to use” in the house propane heater and two sleeping bags good to down to zero. I will stay warm and so will my Yorkie.

None of my food preparation requires anything that comes from a refrigerator. The best book for recipes and knowledge about foods in these conditions is, “Eating Off The Grid” by Denise Hansen. Filled with recipes using food storage and using nothing that comes from the fridge. The recipes are designed in stated quanities so that you use all the recipe in two meals since there will not be refrigeration. Walton Food ssells this book. Amazon only has the Kindle version and you need the hard copy.

For eggs in a recipe, I have boxes of “Egg Replacer” made by Ener-G in Seattle, Washington. One box is 113 eggs. An egg is used in a recipe to bind ingredients together, and that is what this product was designed to do.

I will live well without power because I planned it that way.

Freepmail me if you want to read about how I did it.

16 posted on 11/30/2012 11:02:30 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today.)
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To: Kartographer
I followed through on powering up the gulch with that 14kw Kohler generator!

Impressive!

Runs the house, shop, and other out buildings with no strain whatsoever. Did have a problem with the throttle body being defective but Kohler will make good on the warranty.

It's a dual fuel (propane/natural gas) unit. I had another 500 gallon propane tank brought in just for that purpose. That and the other tanks gives me 1500 gallons to rely on. That should get us through any major outage for a few months, should the SHTF!

Our backup (to the backup!) is a 6kw Gernerac gas operated generator, and an old diesel 10kw that needs some TLC... Have multiple 325 gallon fuel tanks for those...

Our "gulch" is well stocked should our worst nightmare come about. Where we live in Northern MN, no power could be a death sentence when it gets down to 40 below.

Bring it on!!!

17 posted on 11/30/2012 11:02:45 PM PST by JDoutrider
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To: Kartographer

Sine wave inverters stored in old microwave ovens.


18 posted on 11/30/2012 11:03:34 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: KittenClaws

I hope I have enough candles so I can see to roll my own cigarettes....


19 posted on 11/30/2012 11:06:54 PM PST by goat granny
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To: goat granny

“I hope I have enough candles so I can see to roll my own cigarettes....”

I have a new kind of E cigarette and the “pack” that comes with it can be recharged using a solar panel I’m getting. That will be better than nothing.


20 posted on 11/30/2012 11:15:15 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today.)
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To: EternalHope

Hey, a gift from God! Locusts.. They’re CRUNCHY!


21 posted on 11/30/2012 11:18:05 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Kartographer

Stuff from mother nature can be repaired. Obama is planning on shutting down coal power plants with nothing to back them up except wind and solar!


22 posted on 11/30/2012 11:18:59 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: Kartographer
Just my 2 cents.

I have recommended spending money on the first leg of a stand alone system. This would involve proper batteries and inverters. This is the expensive part, however when it is done everything else is easy.

The Writer states: "5 gallons will supply 3-8 hours of electricity".

That is true if your powering everything from a "spinning reserve" setup. With batteries and inverters that is not the case. Five gallons is five days of pretty comfortable living. What if power is rationed? What if power is only on for a couple of hours a day? A battery and inverter system is gold.

In my situation I find refrigeration and a water well pump to be the most important. That is 3KW hours of stored power. Gravy if power is on for a couple of hours per day. Everything else including communications and security is easy.

Just something to consider. I will be adding more solar panels now. Not so much that I have "green" intentions, but I have serious doubts that our system and way of living can be maintained.

I firmly believe that 90 days will be important. You need to lay low while the crisis works itself out. After 90 days, I have prepped for a system of three. Three different ways to provide food, water and heat if any of the primary fails.

YMMV.
23 posted on 11/30/2012 11:21:40 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Kartographer

My belief is that those relying on fuel driven generators or battery technology with out a means to recharge, are in for a rude surprise if the grid is down for long.

I’m looking at solar. Here is one of the firms out there....
www.goalzero.com

My beef with these system is the storage batteries need to be taken care of about 4 times a year or they go bad. That’s more maintenance than I care to do.


24 posted on 11/30/2012 11:26:32 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: eak3

Actually the Bible does mention America where it talks of the land of many rivers.


25 posted on 11/30/2012 11:26:53 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: KittenClaws

You could slather them with barbeque sauce or fry them with onions, celery and fry em.....


26 posted on 12/01/2012 12:02:29 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Marcella
Haha! That's smart thinking! I bought my husband a pipe and some vacuum sealed tobacco. He looked at me crazy and I said “Its for the end of the world.” He replied “Oh, cool. I'll put it with the whiskey.”

The last thing I need is a grumpy, armed, internet deprived, high tech redneck going through nicotine withdrawal. Seriously!

27 posted on 12/01/2012 12:05:26 AM PST by Casie (Chuck Norris 2016)
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To: Drango

I love my goalzero chargers....


28 posted on 12/01/2012 12:07:23 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Casie

You can order the strength of nicotine you want with these cigarettes.


29 posted on 12/01/2012 12:14:55 AM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today.)
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To: JDoutrider

I need to buy a generator but don’t know how to determine the size I need. I see that there are diff models for California as well. Any input on the size issue?


30 posted on 12/01/2012 12:49:15 AM PST by bayareablues
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

The “locusts” he’s talking about go on two legs, not six.


31 posted on 12/01/2012 1:13:52 AM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: eak3

a second civil war would keep us occupied here amd resources here.


32 posted on 12/01/2012 1:21:05 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Kartographer

We have propane lanterns, battery powered headlights, hand crank radios, and a propane bbq. The house has natural gas to run the hot water and the stove top (the oven needs the electronics for control). The generator keeps the freezer and refrigerator going. For heat, there is the fireplace.


33 posted on 12/01/2012 1:27:28 AM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of other people's money.)
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To: bayareablues
"Any input on the size issue?"

I bought a small generator for $400 delivered to my home. It's enough to run the fridge and several other things. All I really care about is the fridge and deep freeze.

To your point...the product description will tell you how much can be run on the generator. I have 25 gallons of gas, which I run through my motorcycle each summer and replace to keep it fresh.

34 posted on 12/01/2012 2:24:52 AM PST by Mich Patriot (PITCH BLACK is the new "transparent")
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To: Drango

Does anyone have ideas on the least expensive, yet reliable solar generator that runs 1800W (well pump)?


35 posted on 12/01/2012 2:24:52 AM PST by ReaganGeneration2
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To: Little Pig
The two legged locusts provide perfectly good dog food.

:)

36 posted on 12/01/2012 2:25:57 AM PST by Salamander (If animals could speak, mankind would weep.)
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To: Drango

We are sorta looking at that as well. Are you saying there is maintenance on the deep cycles? I guess we missed that part. sigh.


37 posted on 12/01/2012 3:13:33 AM PST by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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To: ReaganGeneration2

Does anyone have ideas on the least expensive, yet reliable solar generator that runs 1800W (well pump)?

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Please ping me if someone answers that for you. Thanks.


38 posted on 12/01/2012 3:52:46 AM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: Kartographer

Folks I’m by no means a prepper but I have lived in rural West TX for over 60 years and we’ve went without power many times and for a variety of reasons. Now this won’t apply to those without natural gas but if you have it take notice.

Not once in 60 years have we ever lost gas pressure mainly due to the fact that electricity is not needed when handling or metering natural gas. I installed a natural gas generator several years ago and it has only been used 3 times but it fired up the house and garage delivering all the power needed. I pulled the electric oven many years ago and replace it with gas, my water heater and heating system for the house are also gas.

I know not many people have their own oil wells but we have 72 on the big ranch and just this year I converted one of the worse ones ( it wasn’t making any oil but was still producing gas) into a generator to feed the big ranch house (5500 sq-ft), it’s run off a 8x10 1/2 Ajax engine I no longer used. The big house is now all electric and on the grid but should it go I can switch over to the Ajax and deliver all the power needed.

Just a reminder that in all these years I’ve never lost gas pressure, both in town or out.


39 posted on 12/01/2012 4:10:40 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: Bigg Red

I’ve got 5 wells on the big ranch with 3 on solar and two on windmills, I’ll check the solars out and get back with you.


40 posted on 12/01/2012 4:18:44 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: Dusty Road

Thank you.


41 posted on 12/01/2012 4:22:57 AM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: ansel12

“head lamps that will produce gentle, consistent light for 100 hours and more, on a single AA battery”

Can you tell me the brand and/or vendor for these? We’ve purchased a few of those baseball caps with LED lights under the visors. They’re perfect for outages lasting a few hours, but we aren’t sure how long they’d last in a true emergency situation. A kick-ass head lamp with long-lasting power would be a good addition. Thanks!


42 posted on 12/01/2012 4:35:55 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: MayflowerMadam

Streamlight makes some pretty good headlamps.


43 posted on 12/01/2012 4:48:48 AM PST by MachIV
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To: Drango

Do you have a bank of deep cycle batteries wired together that you recharge with the solar? Just wondering.


44 posted on 12/01/2012 4:54:23 AM PST by MachIV
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To: Kartographer

Gaze in awe at the beauty of the stars...Check supplies/ammo and makes sure weapons are all GTG.


45 posted on 12/01/2012 5:07:12 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Kartographer

I have a steam generator that I will power by burning the desiccated bodies of Democrats.


46 posted on 12/01/2012 5:21:24 AM PST by wrencher
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To: Dusty Road

“I’ve never lost gas pressure, both in town or out.”

We did in Denver. Once electric goes out the gas lines still ely on generators to provide pressure. After about 12 hours the gas pressure dropped off.


47 posted on 12/01/2012 5:23:58 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Kartographer

48 posted on 12/01/2012 5:36:20 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Kartographer

We purchased solar yard lights years ago that use AA NiCads. During power outages we go out and bring in a few of the detachable lights and simply set them on top of the lamp shades. Lighting is dimmer that normal AC wattage yet lasts all night if needed.

Set em back outside in the morning to recharge.

Added feature is we keep a few AA powered radios and flashlights that we use same NiCad batteries in. Swap out and press on with life ....

We have multiple sources of light as backups but the same concept can be accomplished by making sun jars and keeping them on a windowsill during the day etc...

Ours are about six years old now or older and the little LED’s still provide plenty of light to live and work with.

Just what we do...


49 posted on 12/01/2012 6:00:12 AM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: CodeToad

I’ve never seen a system that used electric generators for boosting gas pressure, that would seem to be highly dangerous.


50 posted on 12/01/2012 6:11:18 AM PST by Dusty Road
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