Posted on 12/01/2012 7:47:03 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
Maybe so . . . I think I agree with most Freepers on most things, but if the fact that I'm not particularly concerned one way or the other whether grown men and women who have sex with each other (respectively) want to get "married" or serve in the military disqualifies me from posting here, then so be it, I'll have to find another forum.
That's rich. The government forces the banks to make bad loans to un-creditworthy borrowers based on "communities of color" not sound economics and when these banks try to protect themselves and cover the very predictable losses with insurance derivatives it becomes their fault and they need to take "their" losses. Not theft by ACORN but "their" losses.
There were major banks that didn’t need or want to be bailed out by the government
So? That does not mean that they didn't lose money on these same bad loans. It just means either they didn't want anything to do with the government after the fact or didn't go hog wild with derivatives. Have you seen the books for these banks? Maybe they just ate the losses that were forced upon them.
Do you not see that it was the intervention of government and CRA that set this whole thing in motion?
I do see that it was the intervention of government and CRA that set this whole thing in motion. So you agreed with the bailout?
Awww... :-)
Thank you !
But why is this? The root cause of the problem is the breakdown of the black family. When the great majority of black children are born to single mothers, the kids' chances of being poor and ending up in prison greatly increase.
"I don’t think you have to be racialist in order to be particularly concerned about helping them to improve their situation."
How do you help people who apparently aren't willing to help themselves? Since the Great Society, we've spent $17 trillion on social programs. What good has it done? To rectify the situation blacks find themselves in, they need to decide they are going to wait until marriage to have children, and black men need to stick around to be fathers to those children. Returning to the pre-Great Society morality, along with getting off the government teat, is absolutely necessary if black people wish to succeed. Until then, with all respect to you, I'm tired of being told the responsibility to help blacks lies with me (or anyone, except themselves).
Despite your Liberal talking points, I’m not in favor of the obligation to pay for “freeloaders”.
It’s really neither here nor there whether I supported the bailouts or not. I was 50/50. Depending on the day. Sometimes for it. Sometimes against it. It’s like asking me how I want to clean up a gushing wound. With a sponge or a band-aid? I didn’t like either option.
I don’t think Obama and his involvement with a CRA lawsuit in 1995 was any coincidence. I really believe that Obama, ACORN, Ayers, Soros, and an assorted group of marxist radical misfits have been systematically undermining everything about America for decades. They are like the 911 terrorists. Decisions about what to do AFTER the fact are debatable. They should have been stopped before the attacks.
And I certainly think that the timing of the crash (though ultimately inevitable) was completely orchestrated in Obama’s favor.
“In 1995, Barack Obama was the lead attorney in an anti-discrimination lawsuit filed against Citibank for alleged “red-lining” practices which the plaintiffs claimed denied equal access to mortgage loans for African-Americans.”
This from a guy who NEVER really practiced law. The ONE case he works on (as lead attorney, no less) is a CRA lawsuit.
My f-i-l did this kind of thing when I (and his daughter) supported Reagan when we first got married in our twenties.
He eventually became unbearable, like most libs just whined and complained, and he just got worse about it.
He never took the time to listen, nor could he actually discuss what our beliefs were, he just got more and more angry and frustrated.
I wish there were a happy ending, but from my experience, unless he has a mind boggling moment of clarity or a major conversion, this will end badly.
If he changes, great, more power to both of you. The likelihood is he will not change, and will not put it aside as a simple irreconcilable difference. Libs don't do that.
If you want to survive with him, and if your spouse is aligned with you, you either quarantine him talking politics, see him as little as possible, or both.
You owe this to your kids.
Nowhere did I say that the responsibility to help blacks relies with you or anyone other than blacks ourselves. I prefaced my comment by stating that this is a conversation between blacks about whether or not I’m a traitor to my race for not supporting Barack Obama. I think a good defense to that charge is to point out the ways in which Obama’s policies have been harmful to blacks.
I would agree that a major part of the problems facing blacks have to do with the breakdown of the black family, but there is a lot of literature, much of it by conservative scholars, that addresses the ways in which government policies have contributed to that problem. The same things are starting to happen to white families more and more, and you would ignore the role government policy plays in that to your detriment.
There’s also a basic reality that economic opportunity and prosperity contribute to family formation, and vice-versa, government policy that hurts the private sector and prioritizes government dependence, detract from family formation. It’s a basic fact that men who see no economic future for themselves are not generally included to sign up for the role of family breadwinner; women who think they can get by with government assistance are less likely to get married. Conservative policies make it easier for men to make a living and harder for women to survive on government benefits; the result is likely to be more family formation and preservation.
The vast majority of that $17 trillion that you refer to has been directed toward encouraging ever more government dependence and family breakdown; very little of it has been spent “teaching a man to fish” so to speak.
But I do absolutely agree that no matter what government policies are in place, black men failing to take responsibility for their children is a moral crisis that needs to be addressed by blacks ourselves. For the record, my son was born into a family where his father is married to his mother, both of his grandfathers are married to his grandmothers, and so on and so forth as far back as I’m aware. Black men taking care of their families will be the only thing my son knows about until he ventures outside of his family.
You're in luck. Tell your PhD F-I-L to look up Obama's family tree.
Obama is 50% white, 42% Arab and 8% black.
So, how are you a traitor to a man who is not black? Obama is a minority of a minority.
And tell him also, that it is racist to vote for something based solely on the color of his skin. You know, like George Wallace and the Southern white Democrats used to do.
And it certainly is not in keeping with Martin Luther King Jr.'s comment on the content of character being the criteria to judge upon.
Your F-I-L is seriously racist--another reason he should not be around to pollute your kids.
Good luck in getting anyone to read that tome.
You know I tried to follow up on that theory of him being Arab once, and I wasn’t really able to find a good reason to think that his Kenyan family was Arab. Arabs in East Africa have Arabic last names, and Obama is an African name.
Technically, I do think that there are substantial salient differences between Africans and black Americans, so in that sense I sort of agree with you that he’s not really black. But that argument would fall on deaf ears with my father in law because he clearly believes that Obama is black.
I do agree with you absolutely that a person should be judged based on their actions not on their skin color, and I said as much in my email.
Too long. I wouldn’t read it.
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chuckles, maybe your grandpa and my dad were twins seperated at birth...
You need to start thinking deeper. Knee jerk reactions are a sign of shallow thought process.
Very well done post, thank you.
Visibility BUMP.
a very long way and frankly it's too late now
a few years back you woulda been pandered to ad nauseum with race platitudes and Martin Luther King worship
our issues are not going to be settled now the easy way
i hope things work out for you
i”m extremely pessimistic and fearful that America is not going to work out quite like a Miller Light commercial with every hue drinking responsibly in the glow of the campfire
and frankly our black or whatever name you'd prefer population is going to be a sidenote...it's about more than that
but we are lining up largely along race lines with some of each on both sides but still largely defined by it
these things never end well
I spent years in Haiti, Colombia and Sierra Leone...freepers as a rule are very naive and usually give the answer ..especially to a minority freeper...that they think will win applause..usually deferential
I see bad times ahead, I will be long dead but my descendants will likely experience serious pain and suffering.
Will it be worth it?
I applaud you trying with FIL but Igbos are a proud stock...and a bit snobby about their high rank in the west African tribal pecking order...so good luck.
But if he knows the Biafra War then he knows what i fear here, and conservatives will be the Igbo in that one...hope we fare better*
Yep. There was massive money market movement that could only have been an orchestrated/hedge/sovereign fund type of play that turned the tide and got Obama in office the first time.
Sandy was of natural causes, but our pathetic, self-dealing, GOPe consultant corps that ran weak-candidate Romney’s campaign into the ground was a man-made disaster.
He certainly does know about the Biafran War, and although I didn’t “go there”, the references in my email to other places in the world where people supoort politicians on the basis of their ethnicity alone were directed towards that subtext.
I hope you’re wrong, of course, about the kinds of racial conflict that are coming our way here in the U.S. I don’t have a lot of evidence to counter your pessimistic view, but I will say, as someone who interacts with people from a variety of racial backgrounds on a daily basis, that most people are able to get along across racial lines fairly well, and don’t take their political affiliations quite as seriously as my father in law does.
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