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High Insulin Levels Could Lead to Obesity
diabetesincontrol.com ^ | 12/01/12 | Cell Metabolism

Posted on 12/08/2012 9:40:04 AM PST by Pining_4_TX

While the dominating opinion is that rising insulin is a result of obesity and insulin resistance, a new study provides evidence that it appears to be the other way around.

(Excerpt) Read more at diabetesincontrol.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: diabetes; insulin; obesity; weight
Been saying this for years. Insulin resistance that leads to high levels of circulating insulin is what causes people to gain weight and eventually develop type 2 diabetes. Obesity is a symptom, not the cause of type 2. It is about time people started looking at diabetes in new ways.

Obviously, the goal then is to reduce the amount of circulating insulin. To me, this means that the current advice to eat small, frequent meals would be counter-productive. Other thoughts, Freepers?

1 posted on 12/08/2012 9:40:12 AM PST by Pining_4_TX
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To: Pining_4_TX

yes, and people compound this problem this time of year by avoiding eating prior to large Holiday gatherings.


2 posted on 12/08/2012 9:44:41 AM PST by Perdogg (Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA4) for President 2016)
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To: Pining_4_TX

I turned Type 1 at age 24 and I can tell you that it was a sudden drop of activity combined with increased carb intake that changed me to Type 1.

I think the best treatment for Type 2 is at least 30 minutes DAILY of activity that will increase your heart rate to 1.5X the normal beating rate. I personally jog 4 miles a day, and if I go without jogging for more than 3 days, my insulin becomes less effective. I’m guessing that the lower metabolism and lesser effectiveness of insulin is what really hurls people into type II.


3 posted on 12/08/2012 9:50:59 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Pining_4_TX

HIGH CARBS = HIGH GLUCOSE = HIGH INSULIN = HIGH IRON IN FAT CELLS = LESS ADIPONECTIN PRODUCTION FROM FAT CELLS = LESS FATTY ACID OXIDATION = MORE FAT RETENTION = HIGHER INSULIN

T2 DIABETES IS THE ARBITRARY POINT WHERE ONE DECLARES THAT
AMBIENT GLUCOSE LEVELS ARE TOO HIGH.


4 posted on 12/08/2012 9:55:14 AM PST by kruss3 (Kruss3@gmail.com)
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To: Pining_4_TX
How about cutting out HFCS and most other sugars (that your body can't metabolize easily), eating unprocessed food, plus a little exercise?

Another little known fact: RAW milk used to be used to treat diabetes (and still is, in some places).

5 posted on 12/08/2012 9:57:50 AM PST by Disambiguator (America chose...poorly.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

I’m Type 2 but not on insulin I take Metiformin 1000mg. I agree eating small meals thru out the day helps. I do not wish to get on insuin. I was given 5mg of Glidizide to take and the side effects is Weight Gain. My A1C is 8.2 and I will admit I do need to lose alot of weight. I notice that the medications makes the diabetes worse so I am trying to watch what I eat I just hope I never go on insulin shots.

Yes, I notice if I eat small meals and low carb my numbers are low, but if I eat Oatmeal, Pasta, Rice my sugar is blasted beyond.


6 posted on 12/08/2012 9:58:01 AM PST by Patriot Babe
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To: struggle

Good advice. At least one diabetes doc has stated that he believes increasing activity level is the most important thing one can do to combat diabetes and insulin resistance. For some of us, that’s a tough sell either because the same issues that lead to weight gain also cause fatigue and some folks are less active by nature.


7 posted on 12/08/2012 9:58:53 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: decimon; neverdem

ping


8 posted on 12/08/2012 9:59:39 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Patriot Babe

I guess eating more frequently doesn’t hurt as long as the meals are pretty low carb.

About the A1C, studies are showing that attempting to push the A1C too low can be harmful for type 2 diabetics. Just an FYI.

Some of the hypoglycemig drugs may also be doing more harm by stimulating the beta cells to produce more insulin, hence the weight gain. This also “burns out” the cells that much faster. What we need are therapies that do more than just lower numbers. Glucose values are markers of diabetes, but that is not the disease itself. It’s like getting rid of your cough when you have pneumonia.


9 posted on 12/08/2012 10:07:31 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Completely disregard Big Government’s food pyramid. Avoid carbs and processed food.


10 posted on 12/08/2012 10:29:12 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

I am more and more convinced that the medical community really has no clue but we are expected to jump when some half baked theory is spit out to show a result for a federal grant.


11 posted on 12/08/2012 10:30:01 AM PST by vet7279
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To: vet7279

This is the way they think...

The Scientific Method

A scientist was showing a colleague how he could make a Grasshopper jump on command. He pulled the grasshopper from his cage put him on the lab table and demanded it JUMP! Sure enough the grasshopper jumped.

He then pulled off one of the grasshoppers legs and again commanded it to JUMP! which it did. Each time he pulled off another leg and although not as well the Grasshopper jumped when ordered.

The Grasshopper was down to one leg but miraculously when commanded to jump still managed to accomplish the feat.

The scientist then pulled off the last leg and ordered the Grasshopper to JUMP!....nothing, again, JUMP!..... nothing.

The scientist then took out his log and wrote

Conclusion: “I have definitively proven that a Grasshoppers hearing appararatus is located in it’s legs.”


12 posted on 12/08/2012 11:02:48 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: Pining_4_TX

The best thing for type 2’s to do is get a big, happy dog. The dog will walk you to health.


13 posted on 12/08/2012 11:07:15 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Pining_4_TX

The two work hand-in-hand, as obesity is typically associated with a sedentary lifestyle and poor eating habits.

An individual who is susceptible to developing “Syndrome X” (Type II is more that just sugars and insulin) needs to take adequate time to adjust the way they live in order to postpone the need for medication.

It has been common knowledge for many years that the problem is not A1C, but rather, the need for tight glycemic control from meal to meal, and addressing the issue of hyperinsulinemia.

Insulin sensitizers, like metformin and the glitazones have been effective agents to accomplish both the goal of keeping glucose levels tight and reducing the need for the pancreas to produce an overabundance of insulin in response to a meal.

Sulfonylureas, like glipizide, act like a hammer on the pancreas - pounding it to excrete enough insulin in order to artificially control blood sugar levels, but also do promote the development of adipose tissue. So, although it may make the A1C look good on paper, the insulin spike is likely contributing to the exacerbation of a pre-existing state of obesity, AND may be leading toward a greater degree of insulin insensitivity within the body - which then requires more and more insulin to keep the blood glucose levels in balance.

There is no one simple answer. There is no one single cause.


14 posted on 12/08/2012 11:10:13 AM PST by dadgum (Overjoyed to be the Pariah.)
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To: struggle

Also, what my uncle, who is a doctor, recommended to some of the type 2s in my family is DO NOT SIT while watching TV. For one hour, just slowly stretch out, twist, move, and so forth while watching your favorite TV show. After a couple of weeks do it for two hours a day. Don’t sit, just stand and stretch your body while watching TV.

My aunt, after cutting her daily meal amount by 30%, lost about 15 lbs in 1 month and kept it off with this method.


15 posted on 12/08/2012 11:11:25 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: traderrob6
The Scientific Method...
That's great!
16 posted on 12/08/2012 12:16:26 PM PST by vet7279
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To: Pining_4_TX
Good advice. At least one diabetes doc has stated that he believes increasing activity level is the most important thing one can do to combat diabetes and insulin resistance. For some of us, that’s a tough sell either because the same issues that lead to weight gain also cause fatigue and some folks are less active by nature.

About 10 years ago,after having been read the Riot Act about my weight,yet again,by a doctor I decided to do Atkins and "power walk" like crazy to lose weight.In about 5 months I lost about 35 pounds and felt *great*.And I was taken off my Metformin and all but one of my blood pressure meds.Things were great until one of my hips died on me,requiring a hip replacement.And now the other hip is just about gone and needs replacement (if Osama Obama's government bureaucrats approve,that is).But I say,unless there's some compelling reason not to do so (heart problems,for example) *exercise*...fanatically...and you won't regret it.

17 posted on 12/08/2012 1:21:42 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: Pining_4_TX

There are many ways to type 1 and type 2 (current research points Alzheimers and Parkinsons as type 3)
type 1 can(usually be) a autoimmune response. The pancreas being attacked(actually the insulin secreting cells being attacked) as foreign invaders. Some of the research, in MS, lupus and other immune system going wonky has told us that a ctl alt del seems to stop progression and in most cases reversing damage(as long as its not so far gone).
Type 2.
Actually reversible. As previously stated in this thread its a insulin insensitivity issue. Fat is not just a thing that make you heavy, its a living organ. If your heavy your causing abnormal amounts of “sugars” to be in your system. After years of abuse your ability to regulate sugar declines and you get hardening of the arteries.

A small study found sensitizing your body to insulin can turn Type 2 in 6-8 weeks. The up shot is eat fiber as 80% of your diet for 6-12 weeks, keep total calories as low as you can for min 6 weeks, and you can turn around the insulin issue.


18 posted on 12/08/2012 5:13:31 PM PST by waynesa98
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To: goodwithagun

You are correct about eating carbs. I wrote and illustrated this. You have to give your body nutrition not sugar. All carbs convert to instant sugar. Most processed food is all sugar. Most fruit and fruit juice is all sugar. You are better off drinking black coffee.
see more info here. Believe it or not there is as much sugar in an energy drink as there is in Orange Juice. Both are pure sugar water.
Energy Drinks ¬– Sugar High, Sugar Low and Away We Go!
http://coconutcreamcare.com/2012/11/28/energy-drinks-%C2%AD-sugar-high-sugar-low-and-away-we-go/


19 posted on 12/08/2012 6:43:54 PM PST by notomarx
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To: waynesa98

“eat fiber as 80% of your diet for 6-12 weeks”

Sure, you would lose weight. You would spend 80% of your time in the bathroom. ;-)

Just kidding... I appreciate all the good responses to this post.

I’m not so sure type 2 is actually reversible. It is more likely that it goes into remission for a while. Eventually aging compromises all our systems, and for people susceptible to type 2 diabetes, this may be what fails first. We all die of something.


20 posted on 12/09/2012 9:21:52 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: traderrob6

Ha, ha, I love that! Unfortunately, that is the kind of study that passes for serious science these days. There is so much junk science, that it’s difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff.

What I really love are the studies that claim “x” may lead to death, and when you read the story more closely, you find that the subjects of the study were in their seventies or eighties. Duh! If you are looking at people in their eighties over a period of 10 or 15 years, I can guarantee that there will be many deaths, no matter how they live or what they eat or what drugs they take.


21 posted on 12/09/2012 9:26:33 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Patriot Babe

My doctor also prescribed Metformin and Glipizide. I used them but didn’t like the side effects(pain in my side) so I started doing my own research. I’m controlling my diabetes with nutrition, exercise and diet. BTW, I eat oatmeal with fruit nearly every day for breakfast. A ten minute walk afterwards does wonders. Here’s a link I found that led me to berberine among other nutritional options.

http://tahomaclinicblog.com/berberine-diabetes/


22 posted on 12/09/2012 9:44:09 AM PST by upsdriver
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To: Pining_4_TX

Type 2 is actually insulin resistance. A study out 6-8 months ago found a highly caloric restricted diet for 12-14 weeks reversed the issue and markers for type 2 disappeared after 2-4 weeks. By getting into balance you can prevent the inflammation cascade that is type 2. By staying at an appropriate weight it won’t come back. New research with nanoparticals is pointing the way to reverse even type 1, maybe even type 3. Basically they tag the nano with an antigen to get the body to recognize its self.


23 posted on 12/09/2012 2:55:51 PM PST by waynesa98
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