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Are Preppers responsible for the unprepared?
World Net Daily ^ | 12-8-12 | Patrice Lewis

Posted on 12/08/2012 7:07:43 PM PST by dynachrome

Last week on the website Emergency Management, there appeared a blog post written by an emergency manager named Valerie Lucus-McEwen in which she made a grave error in judgment. She called doomsday preppers “socially selfish.”

She based this startling conclusion on the National Geographic’s “The Doomsday Prepper” series and concluded that because the people featured in this show were spending their OWN time and their OWN money to stockpile their OWN resources in order to prepare their OWN families for whatever disastrous scenario they foresaw, they are selfish. Specifically, as another emergency manager phrased it, this is “a level of indulgence that is selfish and counter-productive to providing for the common good.”

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I, along with many in the prepping community, found this attitude disturbing to the point of creepy. It was exacerbated by the follow-up comments as she replied to reader questions. “It really doesn’t matter how much food you have or what you buy with your money,” she writes in a comment. “The tipping point is how you use it. … Is it something you are planning to hoard or are you working in your community to make sure everyone else is prepared also. I’m not sure how else to say it.”

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This is a commentary on the thread I posted from Valerie Lucus-McEwen and 2nd Division Vet's post on the follow-up where she tried to walk back her screed.

"Patrice Lewis is a freelance writer whose latest book is "The Simplicity Primer: 365 Ideas for Making Life more Livable."

her fine blog:

http://www.rural-revolution.com/

1 posted on 12/08/2012 7:07:51 PM PST by dynachrome
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To: dynachrome

My original post:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2965036/posts


2 posted on 12/08/2012 7:08:35 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: dynachrome

F. No!

Those unprepared are simply too stupid to see this coming, meaing they are also the stupid that created the mess. If this country goes down it is because of the Takers, and once the system goes down they want to take what’s left??? F. ‘em.


3 posted on 12/08/2012 7:10:21 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

2nd Div’s post on Mcuen’s “walk back”:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2966080/posts


4 posted on 12/08/2012 7:10:21 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: dynachrome

In a word? No.


5 posted on 12/08/2012 7:11:29 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: dynachrome

Clickable link to Patrice Lewis’ blog. good reading there:

http://www.rural-revolution.com/


6 posted on 12/08/2012 7:11:45 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: dynachrome

Ahems, Grasshopper, Ants.


7 posted on 12/08/2012 7:12:35 PM PST by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Charity, if possible, otherwise, no.


8 posted on 12/08/2012 7:13:39 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: dynachrome
and their OWN money to stockpile their OWN resources in order to prepare their OWN families for whatever disastrous scenario they foresaw, they are selfish.

It is selfish, but selfish isn't bad.

9 posted on 12/08/2012 7:13:42 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Kartographer

pingy


10 posted on 12/08/2012 7:14:56 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: dynachrome

Only to the extent of our own morals and beliefs.

I personally am more of a coalition builder and am allied with friends and neighbors.


11 posted on 12/08/2012 7:14:56 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: dynachrome
providing for the common good

Really not high on my list of priorities. I don't belong to a Collective.

12 posted on 12/08/2012 7:15:04 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: CodeToad

If you don’t have the ability to defend your goods, you are prepping for the people who will decide they deserve them more than you.

If you don’t prepare, then you get to ride the bomb down, or to offer to exchange goods or services with the people who have prepared, at a mutually agreed price.


13 posted on 12/08/2012 7:17:30 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: dynachrome

That will take discernment and charity on a case by case basis. My grandfather during the depression fed the hobos who followed the train tracks in south Chicago. In the city limits back then he and my grandmother, along with 9 kids had a cow a few pigs, a garden, basically they had food and enough to share. They always helped the hopeless.


14 posted on 12/08/2012 7:18:54 PM PST by MomwithHope (Buy and read Ameritopia by Mark Levin!)
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To: donmeaker

No. Everyone is responsible for themselves and any coalitions when/if TSHTF.


15 posted on 12/08/2012 7:20:32 PM PST by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: dynachrome
Are Preppers...

In my book, Art Pepper was the greatest of modern jazz alto players. Above Bird, Konitz, Niehaus, Woods, etc.

16 posted on 12/08/2012 7:22:40 PM PST by Salvey
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To: dynachrome
Absolutely. The 100,000 or so "preppers" in America are fully responsible for providing for the other 299,900,000 of us irresponsible ones. They should identify now who they are and where they live so that we can all head to the closest one when the SHTF. They will then be obligated to take care of us and feed us.

I just hope that the prepper who lives closest to me is laying in a decent supply of red wine and cranberry sauce - because I really like that cranberry sauce.

17 posted on 12/08/2012 7:22:40 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: dynachrome

Note to 50mm: buy more ammo - lots and lots of ammo.


18 posted on 12/08/2012 7:25:10 PM PST by 50mm (Trust nobody and you'll never be disappointed.)
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To: All

Valerie tries again to sidestep her foolishness:

“OK, I Get It. Preppers Aren’t Selfish. I Was Wrong. I Apologize ...’

http://www.emergencymgmt.com/emergency-blogs/campus/doomsday-preppers-emergency-management-120612.html


19 posted on 12/08/2012 7:26:04 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: dynachrome
Selfish better describes the dumb-assed jag-offs who voted to reelect ObaMao and so many rubber stamp senate and congress critters. Not only selfish, but stupid.

I wonder if it even occurred to them that they would have better luck continuing to ride the wagon if more people remained pullers and fewer competed with them to be riders.

Even the most patently corrupt Indian Tribal Counsel wanting to keep as much largess for themselves as possible has the sense to realize that the best way to do so is to strictly limit tribal membership among whom the stuff is divided.

Obamabots? Not so much.

20 posted on 12/08/2012 7:27:52 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: dynachrome

No! Also I have not donated to hurricane Sandy relief, nor have I given money to other charitable orgs. I give my usual tithe on Sunday and that is it. I haven’t even taken tags off of our church’s giving tree. I’m not holding a grudge, I’m simply holding those people to the standards they’ve voted for.


21 posted on 12/08/2012 7:30:14 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: dynachrome

Well she’s wrong on so many levels. Preppers are helping the community. Every prepper is one less person/family the community has to worry about helping for the common good.

Everyone has the ability and choice to prep for whatever emergency they think is likely.

The Lord helps those who help themselves(and not to your stuff).

Charity begins at home.

Consider the story of the Little Red Hen, and/or the ant and the grasshopper.

Now if the Little Red Hen or the ant wants to help the lazy takers and the ant wants to help the grasshopper they can, but not to the detriment of their own family.

It would be well though, if you have neighbors that aren’t preparing and can’t be convinced to prepare, if you decided now what you will do.

If you do not want to shoot them, then you had better put some stuff by for them too. JMHO.


22 posted on 12/08/2012 7:30:37 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: 50mm

Donating lead to the unprepared? (haha)


23 posted on 12/08/2012 7:32:08 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: dynachrome

Survival of the fittest, the strong the prepared.

The communist herd will have to either get rid of their idiotic herders so they can forage where the grass is gree, or they will die.

The bottom line is this, America is being invaded by a consuming flesh disease, its called communism.

And that disease wants nourishment so it can consume the body.

Let it starve so the body will survive.


24 posted on 12/08/2012 7:32:37 PM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: dynachrome
kinda like the writer mutt that was whining about how unfair it is that some have generators after Sandy went through...
25 posted on 12/08/2012 7:37:14 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: dynachrome
The prepers can include a stash of pocket Constitutions and brochures on how to survive w/o gov't in their stash to hand out to those who are unprepared.

Those who weree against the Boy Scouts can be shot in the butt.

26 posted on 12/08/2012 7:37:14 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: dynachrome
She is so completely wrong . . . Preppers are the most GENEROUS to the completely unprepared. How, you ask?

1. We generously fund FEMA through the outrageous taxes we pay.

2. We will use our own supplies, rather than use FEMA aid, thereby ensuring more people can be helped.

How much more selfless can preppers be?

28 posted on 12/08/2012 7:40:55 PM PST by AUTiger83
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To: CodeToad

Some are too poor to do much of anything, though.


29 posted on 12/08/2012 7:41:24 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: dynachrome

I’ve been told it’s foolish to think you can repel ALL the zombies. That’s not what I’m after. I just want to punish as many as possible of the ones responsible for the coming collapse. I’ll die with a smile on my face. /fantasy


30 posted on 12/08/2012 7:41:24 PM PST by 50mm (Trust nobody and you'll never be disappointed.)
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To: dynachrome

November 6, 2012 taught me one thing. Worry about yourself and your family. Screw everyone else. Barry says he has their back. He can worry about them. Maybe he’ll fly over in a FEMA helicopter to do a photo op while they are starving to death.


31 posted on 12/08/2012 7:41:49 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (I feel sad for my once great country. We deserve everything that is about to happen to us.)
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To: cripplecreek
You are fortunate, though, in that your environment (which I guess at from some dialogue we have had) is conducive to it.

You live in a small, rural town where a lot of people know each other, and I think that would make a big difference for the better.

I think the premise that "Preppers" are selfish is completely a product of modern liberalism. I have a lot of respect for many preppers, who I see as simply being responsible, not selfish. Gosh no.

I think preppers have the same mindset when it comes to money and living within their means, for the most part, and if the rest of America had conducted themselves in the same manner for the last forty years, we wouldn't be in a situation where responsible people have to consider what is going to happen when gasoline, food and water disappear along with law and order.

I hate it, and I just realized why last night.

I would classify myself a a very low order prepper, just doing things like buying equipment with an eye towards ruggedness, functionality and portability, and keeping it available and in good shape.

I just bought a camp stove, and I found myself thinking "Okay...the ones with the little propane canisters are nice and convenient, but...how about the one that can run on both that and coleman fuel. Or better, this one that can use gasoline, diesel, jet fuel or kerosene? Hm. Just do away with the stupid canisters, I won't be able to get them anyway when..."

When what? When everything goes to Hell? And that mindset had metastasized into nearly everything I do.

And I hated to realize that I take for granted with surety that it is coming, I don't even question it. That just sucks.

I live in New England. Except for the politics, I love this area. It is beautiful, historic and interesting. It has mountains, oceans, lakes and cities all within easy driving distance. It's great. But this is not where I want to be when everything goes down, but...I don't have much choice.

I love my wife. But she isn't leaving. She doesn't see things the way I do, so she isn't leaving. This is her home, she has never lived anywhere else. So I am staying. Because she is my wife. I will just do the best I can, come what may.

But if I weren't married to her, I would be long gone already.

I admit, cripplecreek, I do envy you somewhat. You guys sound like the kind of people who could band together and build a fort of logs in the woods, and not choke each other to death in the process.

32 posted on 12/08/2012 7:42:15 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: Gunslingr3

The same argument could be made that if she is saving any of her money for personal pleasure and not using it to help others, she is being selfish.


33 posted on 12/08/2012 7:44:08 PM PST by Josa
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To: Eye of Unk
Incidentally, Ms. Lucus-McEwen admits that she herself wouldn’t make it more than a week or two without outside assistance

That right there should have earned her a pink slip. Though not under this administration. You can bet they're taking names of every prepper post out there/in here in cyber space so they'll know who's door to knock down to spread the wealth.

34 posted on 12/08/2012 7:49:06 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: dynachrome
Is it something you are planning to hoard or are you working in your community to make sure everyone else is prepared also. I’m not sure how else to say it.”

It's not my job to do all the work for them while they play. Maybe they should be doing something to help themselves rather than goofing off - d'ya think?.

It's not like they haven't been warned. So, we did our part. If they chose not to take our advice - offered for free, BTW - what else can we do? If that's their deathstyle choice, who are we to judge?

No. We're not prepping for anyone else. We still don't have enough for ourselves yet.
It must really suck to be them. Too bad they didn't prepare for themselves like everyone else, right?

35 posted on 12/08/2012 7:49:25 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: dynachrome

Barack Obama is responsible for the unprepared.


36 posted on 12/08/2012 7:50:11 PM PST by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Nonsense in the intellect draws evil after it." C.S. Lewiscrate)
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To: dynachrome

The first rule of emergency management is to take care of yourself. Seems she has a lot to learn.


37 posted on 12/08/2012 7:51:40 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: rlmorel
I admit, cripplecreek, I do envy you somewhat. You guys sound like the kind of people who could band together and build a fort of logs in the woods, and not choke each other to death in the process.

Its a true small town thing and I don't mean a town of 5 or 10 thousand. I grew up in a town of around 300 people and live in one half as big now. People here trust each other and relationships have grown over the years.

We don't lock our doors partly because we trust each other and partly because we watch out for each other. Lots of elderly people here and they often need help for little things like climbing up on a ladder to change a lightbulb.
38 posted on 12/08/2012 7:52:36 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: dynachrome

They should make Valerie watch the old Twilight Zone about the guy who built a Bomb Shelter for his Family.

All his Neighbors thought it was silly until the day they thought the Ruskies were going to attack.


39 posted on 12/08/2012 7:55:25 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (As they say in China, erections have consequences...)
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To: bgill

The Obama mindset culture is first off he has the stash and the cash to feed them.

And that preppers are just the same as the rich, and the rich are being taxed.

I suggest every single prepper out there do a 180 degree swing on the internet from now on and start posting complaints they must hunt down preppers so they can survive because they failed to prep.

Seriously we should all wear prepper camo, start complaining about lack of prepping materials because of no income, flood the internet with rage against the economy because it would not allow you to stockpile.


40 posted on 12/08/2012 7:56:44 PM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: CodeToad

Darn right ‘Toad. I, along with many other FReepers I’m sure, have spent quite a large amount of time and money ‘getting ready’ over the past years. I’m up in the boonies along with a small secure prepped group of family and neighbors, (If they can be termed ‘neighbors’ in the usual sense, we are a bit spread out up here in the mountains), that all think quietly alike regarding preps/politics and the climactic fiscal meltdown, a meltdown which has been called a ‘mathematical certainty’ by quite a few of the money men, that is headed America’s way. The unprepared ARE stupid, the warnings and examples are everywhere and have been for years for ALL to learn from. Even with Katrina and Sandy, preppers are STILL getting slammed as being goofy or paranoid or any number of other creative names. A fiscal mess or another big storm or anything really....it does not hurt to get/be ready.


41 posted on 12/08/2012 8:05:42 PM PST by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: cripplecreek

This little honey-pot is not doing a very good job of getting the message out to prepare. Then, she bitches about those who listened to her and prepared. She is a mental.


42 posted on 12/08/2012 8:07:07 PM PST by healy61
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To: dynachrome

Prep in secret.

BTW: Is it just me, or do ladies with hypenated names normally mean trouble from day one? Is the hyphen code for “democratliberallawsuit”?


43 posted on 12/08/2012 8:07:35 PM PST by BRK
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To: cripplecreek

Sigh. What a concept.


44 posted on 12/08/2012 8:08:13 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: Gunslingr3

Selfish is not doing anything and counting on others. It’s being selfish and lazy!


45 posted on 12/08/2012 8:10:05 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: dynachrome; Kartographer; JRandomFreeper

Yes, I am a prepper and “socially selfish”...and at “a level of indulgence that is selfish and counter-productive to providing for the common good.”

This cry baby woman must have met me somewhere - maybe at Kroger while I was buying all the food in the store so she couldn’t have any.


46 posted on 12/08/2012 8:12:31 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Galt is freedom.)
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To: dynachrome

No, we are not responsible for those who don’t prep, but it may be in our best interest to help some of them on a case by case basis. There’s the moral issue of helping our fellow man; however, there is also a more practical reason. Some people that may need help could have a valuable skill or other personal asset that could help your circle of friends. So, I guess it depends on who needs help and what’s your moral compass. If you believe in Karma or the Golden Rule, there’s that also.


47 posted on 12/08/2012 8:13:32 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: presently no screen name
Selfish is not doing anything and counting on others. It’s being selfish and lazy!

Absolutely.

48 posted on 12/08/2012 8:15:07 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: dynachrome

Nope


49 posted on 12/08/2012 8:15:22 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: dynachrome

Charity ? Not anymore. Someone asks me to give, I tell them to go ask Obama. They voted for him to give them free sh*t, so they should go to him for it. . .


50 posted on 12/08/2012 8:18:45 PM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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