Skip to comments.Are Preppers responsible for the unprepared?
Posted on 12/08/2012 7:07:43 PM PST by dynachrome
Last week on the website Emergency Management, there appeared a blog post written by an emergency manager named Valerie Lucus-McEwen in which she made a grave error in judgment. She called doomsday preppers socially selfish.
She based this startling conclusion on the National Geographics The Doomsday Prepper series and concluded that because the people featured in this show were spending their OWN time and their OWN money to stockpile their OWN resources in order to prepare their OWN families for whatever disastrous scenario they foresaw, they are selfish. Specifically, as another emergency manager phrased it, this is a level of indulgence that is selfish and counter-productive to providing for the common good.
I, along with many in the prepping community, found this attitude disturbing to the point of creepy. It was exacerbated by the follow-up comments as she replied to reader questions. It really doesnt matter how much food you have or what you buy with your money, she writes in a comment. The tipping point is how you use it.
Is it something you are planning to hoard or are you working in your community to make sure everyone else is prepared also. Im not sure how else to say it.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
"Patrice Lewis is a freelance writer whose latest book is "The Simplicity Primer: 365 Ideas for Making Life more Livable."
her fine blog:
My original post:
Those unprepared are simply too stupid to see this coming, meaing they are also the stupid that created the mess. If this country goes down it is because of the Takers, and once the system goes down they want to take what’s left??? F. ‘em.
2nd Div’s post on Mcuen’s “walk back”:
In a word? No.
Clickable link to Patrice Lewis’ blog. good reading there:
Ahems, Grasshopper, Ants.
Charity, if possible, otherwise, no.
It is selfish, but selfish isn't bad.
Only to the extent of our own morals and beliefs.
I personally am more of a coalition builder and am allied with friends and neighbors.
Really not high on my list of priorities. I don't belong to a Collective.
If you don’t have the ability to defend your goods, you are prepping for the people who will decide they deserve them more than you.
If you don’t prepare, then you get to ride the bomb down, or to offer to exchange goods or services with the people who have prepared, at a mutually agreed price.
That will take discernment and charity on a case by case basis. My grandfather during the depression fed the hobos who followed the train tracks in south Chicago. In the city limits back then he and my grandmother, along with 9 kids had a cow a few pigs, a garden, basically they had food and enough to share. They always helped the hopeless.
No. Everyone is responsible for themselves and any coalitions when/if TSHTF.
In my book, Art Pepper was the greatest of modern jazz alto players. Above Bird, Konitz, Niehaus, Woods, etc.
I just hope that the prepper who lives closest to me is laying in a decent supply of red wine and cranberry sauce - because I really like that cranberry sauce.
Note to 50mm: buy more ammo - lots and lots of ammo.
Valerie tries again to sidestep her foolishness:
“OK, I Get It. Preppers Aren’t Selfish. I Was Wrong. I Apologize ...’
I wonder if it even occurred to them that they would have better luck continuing to ride the wagon if more people remained pullers and fewer competed with them to be riders.
Even the most patently corrupt Indian Tribal Counsel wanting to keep as much largess for themselves as possible has the sense to realize that the best way to do so is to strictly limit tribal membership among whom the stuff is divided.
Obamabots? Not so much.
No! Also I have not donated to hurricane Sandy relief, nor have I given money to other charitable orgs. I give my usual tithe on Sunday and that is it. I haven’t even taken tags off of our church’s giving tree. I’m not holding a grudge, I’m simply holding those people to the standards they’ve voted for.
Well she’s wrong on so many levels. Preppers are helping the community. Every prepper is one less person/family the community has to worry about helping for the common good.
Everyone has the ability and choice to prep for whatever emergency they think is likely.
The Lord helps those who help themselves(and not to your stuff).
Charity begins at home.
Consider the story of the Little Red Hen, and/or the ant and the grasshopper.
Now if the Little Red Hen or the ant wants to help the lazy takers and the ant wants to help the grasshopper they can, but not to the detriment of their own family.
It would be well though, if you have neighbors that aren’t preparing and can’t be convinced to prepare, if you decided now what you will do.
If you do not want to shoot them, then you had better put some stuff by for them too. JMHO.
Donating lead to the unprepared? (haha)
Survival of the fittest, the strong the prepared.
The communist herd will have to either get rid of their idiotic herders so they can forage where the grass is gree, or they will die.
The bottom line is this, America is being invaded by a consuming flesh disease, its called communism.
And that disease wants nourishment so it can consume the body.
Let it starve so the body will survive.
Those who weree against the Boy Scouts can be shot in the butt.
1. We generously fund FEMA through the outrageous taxes we pay.
2. We will use our own supplies, rather than use FEMA aid, thereby ensuring more people can be helped.
How much more selfless can preppers be?
Some are too poor to do much of anything, though.
I’ve been told it’s foolish to think you can repel ALL the zombies. That’s not what I’m after. I just want to punish as many as possible of the ones responsible for the coming collapse. I’ll die with a smile on my face. /fantasy
November 6, 2012 taught me one thing. Worry about yourself and your family. Screw everyone else. Barry says he has their back. He can worry about them. Maybe he’ll fly over in a FEMA helicopter to do a photo op while they are starving to death.
You live in a small, rural town where a lot of people know each other, and I think that would make a big difference for the better.
I think the premise that "Preppers" are selfish is completely a product of modern liberalism. I have a lot of respect for many preppers, who I see as simply being responsible, not selfish. Gosh no.
I think preppers have the same mindset when it comes to money and living within their means, for the most part, and if the rest of America had conducted themselves in the same manner for the last forty years, we wouldn't be in a situation where responsible people have to consider what is going to happen when gasoline, food and water disappear along with law and order.
I hate it, and I just realized why last night.
I would classify myself a a very low order prepper, just doing things like buying equipment with an eye towards ruggedness, functionality and portability, and keeping it available and in good shape.
I just bought a camp stove, and I found myself thinking "Okay...the ones with the little propane canisters are nice and convenient, but...how about the one that can run on both that and coleman fuel. Or better, this one that can use gasoline, diesel, jet fuel or kerosene? Hm. Just do away with the stupid canisters, I won't be able to get them anyway when..."
When what? When everything goes to Hell? And that mindset had metastasized into nearly everything I do.
And I hated to realize that I take for granted with surety that it is coming, I don't even question it. That just sucks.
I live in New England. Except for the politics, I love this area. It is beautiful, historic and interesting. It has mountains, oceans, lakes and cities all within easy driving distance. It's great. But this is not where I want to be when everything goes down, but...I don't have much choice.
I love my wife. But she isn't leaving. She doesn't see things the way I do, so she isn't leaving. This is her home, she has never lived anywhere else. So I am staying. Because she is my wife. I will just do the best I can, come what may.
But if I weren't married to her, I would be long gone already.
I admit, cripplecreek, I do envy you somewhat. You guys sound like the kind of people who could band together and build a fort of logs in the woods, and not choke each other to death in the process.
The same argument could be made that if she is saving any of her money for personal pleasure and not using it to help others, she is being selfish.
That right there should have earned her a pink slip. Though not under this administration. You can bet they're taking names of every prepper post out there/in here in cyber space so they'll know who's door to knock down to spread the wealth.
It's not my job to do all the work for them while they play. Maybe they should be doing something to help themselves rather than goofing off - d'ya think?.
It's not like they haven't been warned. So, we did our part. If they chose not to take our advice - offered for free, BTW - what else can we do? If that's their deathstyle choice, who are we to judge?
No. We're not prepping for anyone else. We still don't have enough for ourselves yet.
It must really suck to be them. Too bad they didn't prepare for themselves like everyone else, right?
Barack Obama is responsible for the unprepared.
The first rule of emergency management is to take care of yourself. Seems she has a lot to learn.
They should make Valerie watch the old Twilight Zone about the guy who built a Bomb Shelter for his Family.
All his Neighbors thought it was silly until the day they thought the Ruskies were going to attack.
The Obama mindset culture is first off he has the stash and the cash to feed them.
And that preppers are just the same as the rich, and the rich are being taxed.
I suggest every single prepper out there do a 180 degree swing on the internet from now on and start posting complaints they must hunt down preppers so they can survive because they failed to prep.
Seriously we should all wear prepper camo, start complaining about lack of prepping materials because of no income, flood the internet with rage against the economy because it would not allow you to stockpile.
Darn right ‘Toad. I, along with many other FReepers I’m sure, have spent quite a large amount of time and money ‘getting ready’ over the past years. I’m up in the boonies along with a small secure prepped group of family and neighbors, (If they can be termed ‘neighbors’ in the usual sense, we are a bit spread out up here in the mountains), that all think quietly alike regarding preps/politics and the climactic fiscal meltdown, a meltdown which has been called a ‘mathematical certainty’ by quite a few of the money men, that is headed America’s way. The unprepared ARE stupid, the warnings and examples are everywhere and have been for years for ALL to learn from. Even with Katrina and Sandy, preppers are STILL getting slammed as being goofy or paranoid or any number of other creative names. A fiscal mess or another big storm or anything really....it does not hurt to get/be ready.
This little honey-pot is not doing a very good job of getting the message out to prepare. Then, she bitches about those who listened to her and prepared. She is a mental.
Prep in secret.
BTW: Is it just me, or do ladies with hypenated names normally mean trouble from day one? Is the hyphen code for “democratliberallawsuit”?
Sigh. What a concept.
Selfish is not doing anything and counting on others. It’s being selfish and lazy!
Yes, I am a prepper and “socially selfish”...and at a level of indulgence that is selfish and counter-productive to providing for the common good.
This cry baby woman must have met me somewhere - maybe at Kroger while I was buying all the food in the store so she couldn’t have any.
No, we are not responsible for those who don’t prep, but it may be in our best interest to help some of them on a case by case basis. There’s the moral issue of helping our fellow man; however, there is also a more practical reason. Some people that may need help could have a valuable skill or other personal asset that could help your circle of friends. So, I guess it depends on who needs help and what’s your moral compass. If you believe in Karma or the Golden Rule, there’s that also.
Charity ? Not anymore. Someone asks me to give, I tell them to go ask Obama. They voted for him to give them free sh*t, so they should go to him for it. . .