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USA Collapse: How Bad Will it Be?
http://ferfal.blogspot.com/ ^ | 1/1/13 | Ferfal

Posted on 01/03/2013 4:42:02 PM PST by Kartographer

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To: Marcella; driftdiver

driftdiver, you are up now. I don’t know much beyond what I saw in some video my daughter insisted I look at. I’ll ask her what it was when she gets here. It was more of a look what can be done to inspire people than a how to.

Marcella, it’s not necessarily just an outdoor proposition. When I first started to research growing stuff indoors, I came up with all sorts of unique ways of secretly growing stuff indoors with hydroponics. Including hidden closets, fake speakers and consoles. LOL

It wasn’t the kind of crop or growing medium that I was looking for so I didn’t do much reading. But hey it might make more sense when SHTF.

A garden outdoors can be seen and coveted. An indoor hydroponic with grow lights on batteries rechargeable by solar methods, and in a hidden closet could have real possibilities. Maybe I was too quick to discard this method. LOL Gonna put it back on my list for later research.


61 posted on 01/04/2013 2:18:59 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: driftdiver

I’m reading now on this website from this company that makes stuff for vertical hydro. plants: http://vertigro.com/


62 posted on 01/04/2013 2:29:45 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: greeneyes

The only space I would have inside is a spare bedroom and if my son and liberal sister-in-law and husband came, the three bedrooms would be used.

No one can see in my garden. This is a row of townhouses and there is a very high solid thick brick wall between our gardens. It takes a ladder to get high enough to look over the brick walls. There are older people here and I think in an emergency situation, the families of these people would come get them. That is what happens when a hurricane comes through - the families get their parents out of here.

This place is gated and no one gets in. It’s also so hidden no one can find the street that goes to this place unless they have been here before and even then, it’s hard to find. I have to watch or I will pass the street myself.

Point is, my small garden is hidden from eyes. I have a rather large deck out there and think that’s where this project would be. Less bugs should happen too if it’s not on the ground.


63 posted on 01/04/2013 2:41:18 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: driftdiver; greeneyes

What about starting with this:

http://vertigro.com/products/vgk-8mgp.php


64 posted on 01/04/2013 2:51:57 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella

Your deck sounds like an ideal space for some plants to me. You could even do a little sq foot gardening which also takes up less space than regular gardening. Mels got a book that my daughter loaned me when I first got started with my raised beds.

http://www.squarefootgardening.org/whatissfg#!__whatissfg/vstc74=newsnphotos


65 posted on 01/04/2013 3:00:03 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Marcella

Interesting concept. I am thinking that one of those plastic shelves from walmart that costs about 15.00 bucks about three or four shelves holding about 3 or 4 10 inch pots works better for me.

A few bags of potting soil, or mel’s mix and I’m growing lots of edibles in front of my patio door. See those little pots arranged like that look cute, but I’m not seeing much production in the bottom ones, which would have to be some sort of vining plants I would think.

I think we need to search on for more on hydroponics.


66 posted on 01/04/2013 3:13:06 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Marcella

Thanks again for the information. - My 87 yr. old aunt lives in Texas; and her electricity goes off after a storm. Fortunately, she’s not prone to body thermostat problems; so does fairly well in the heat. I sent her a manual fan spray bottle from Walmart last time she had one of those. - She’s tough as nails; every time I read a headline about some intruder being shot in Texas, I look to see if it was her that did the shooting. . and that’s the truth.

Oh, yes. I also find that if I bathe off the area under my arms with a cool cloth, that really helps, too. That part of the body seems to hold in the heat a lot. - Some stores and restaurants we go into sometimes are hot as heckfire in the winter. The employees come in during the morning hours when it’s cold, jerk that thermostat up to 90 degrees, get accustomed to it so it feels normal to them; but when the outside temp increases up in the day to 75 or 80, I can’t stand it in those places. I get visual wonkies that I can’t explain adequately to anyone when that stuff hits me. (looks like this: ^^^^^^^^^^^^#######^^^^^^^^^##### sort of)

Twinkie


67 posted on 01/04/2013 3:45:17 PM PST by Twinkie (OBAMA is the FISCAL CLIFF !!)
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To: JoeProBono; Drumbo

Veddy interestink. bmfl


68 posted on 01/04/2013 3:54:38 PM PST by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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To: greeneyes
You would be using potting soil - these pots have no dirt as they get their nutrients from fertilizer in the water. The medium in the pots is packed coconut fiber that holds the water/nutrients and holds the plants in place. There are special instructions for locating tomatoes. There is a pdr file about putting this thing together with instructions how to place the plants based on what they are.

The two ground pots are larger pots for larger veggies.

I'll look around that site more.

69 posted on 01/04/2013 4:03:18 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella; greeneyes

Yep thats exactly the same stuff. Need 4 sets or 8 columns to provide the growing space I mentioned but you could easily start with just that.


70 posted on 01/04/2013 5:24:26 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Marcella

I use a what is called a soiless mix for my indoor plants. It’s just peat moss, compost and vermiculite, about equal proportions. Then each year just refurbish with my own compost from kitchen scraps and leaves and shredded papers.

It works for where we are and what we have to deal with. Hydroponics though may be good for you. The dvd I was thinking of is called Food Inc. I think. I watched it on netflix.

The brief part on hydroponics and the fish tank which provides nutrients for the plants etc was interesting to see.


71 posted on 01/04/2013 5:35:10 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Marcella

Let me know what you find out. I have to go pressure cook some chicken for storage.


72 posted on 01/04/2013 6:08:25 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: driftdiver
My son from London is visiting me. He will be back next April and I showed him that set up and said he has to put that in when he comes in April (that pipe has to be stuck fairly deep in the ground and some part has to be exactly straight - better he do that than I do it). He laughed.

One reason he laughed is because he won a science fair when he was in high school and it was growing beans by hydroponics. As a result, he got to present that in the big show in Houston.

73 posted on 01/04/2013 6:52:35 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella

Having fresh veggies is worth a lot.


74 posted on 01/04/2013 7:18:19 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Marcella
I have enough long term stored flour (good for 10+ years) to last at least a year and have cornmeal the same way.

How do you get cornmeal to last for long-term storage? I didn't think it would. And I love the stuff! I have wheatberries, which last well, and a grinder. But it won't grind popcorn, which is the only corn I have stored.
75 posted on 01/04/2013 7:47:00 PM PST by yorkiemom
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To: ryan71
Cheer up, Folks! In the event of a collapse OUR president will NOT resign.

Is that supposed to be cheering? (Yes, I did read your intended sarcasm!) LOL
76 posted on 01/04/2013 7:54:40 PM PST by yorkiemom
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To: cripplecreek
My niece asked her about what the thought during the great depression when the banks were “stealing” everyone’s homes.

Sounds like your niece got an A in her college history course.

Liberal professors have done much damage.

77 posted on 01/04/2013 7:56:35 PM PST by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)

LOL! So that's what my new 'hobby' making cheese is!
78 posted on 01/04/2013 7:56:55 PM PST by yorkiemom
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To: cripplecreek
My niece asked her about what the thought during the great depression when the banks were “stealing” everyone’s homes.

Sounds like your niece got an A in her college history course.

Liberal professors have done much damage.

79 posted on 01/04/2013 7:57:12 PM PST by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: yorkiemom

“How do you get cornmeal to last for long-term storage?”

I bought it from Walton Feed. It is professionally hermetically sealed. Also got the flour from them sealed the same way.


80 posted on 01/04/2013 7:58:14 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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