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To: ReformationFan
I see this as a "man" problem and not a woman or "women's lib" problem. In other words, men are to blame for the society we have today.

Women need men to be strong, assertive, financially responsible and always, always in control. Women need men to be go-getters and good, dependable providers. However, there are too many men out there that have become sissified. I don't mean in the women's clothes wearing sense of the word but sissified mentally.

Way too many men out there are slackers, they lack ambition, work ethic, discipline. They act like overgrown adolescents. Whenever I see a man sitting at home playing a child's video game on the living room couch in his sweatpants, I want to smack him upside the head and knock some sense into him. If you are a man over 21 and you are still living at home with your parents (and you are not attending university) than you are a loser who will get no respect from the ladies. If you are one of those, get off your butt and make a life for yourself - or you do not deserve a good woman.

Another thing I find pathetic about most of my fellow men is their "helplessness" with things domestic. Any man worth his salt should be able to sew a button, run a load of laundry, cook a decent meal and make a bed. Any man who relies on his mother or woman to do these tasks for him is a wimp. There is nothing "manly" about not knowing how to take care of yourself when the woman isn't around and even when the woman is around, it's nice to give her a break and do those chores for her from time to time.

Way too many men dress like slobs in public. Next time you go to a nice restaurant, look around you. You will see grown men taking their woman to dinner dressed in hockey jerseys, sneakers, ill-fitting jeans, etc. Men should never wear sneakers unless they are actually running or playing basketball or something - it makes them look like overgrown kids. When men go someplace nice with their woman, they should dress up because that will encourage your woman to do so as well and we all like our women to dress well for us in public.

I can go on and on but I'm tired of seeing women take the blame for our screwed-up society. It is the men that have let the women down. Women are starved for real men out there and there are tons of great women out there who are available. All you have to do is be a man and act like a man to get one. I know, I've been fighting them off for 20 years (I'm already married).

292 posted on 01/12/2013 8:09:58 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-Robert A. Heinlein


295 posted on 01/12/2013 8:20:32 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: SamAdams76
On balance I think I agree with most of what you've said, and I think many here would too. I think we digress at the point of how this came to pass.

I am old enough to have observed societal changes that began in earnest in the late sixties. Woman demanded men change. Within the span of a generation and insidious liberal pop culture, the workplace became a place where a man dare not exert influence over a woman for fear of actual legal jeopardy and/or subtle, but real, career derailment.

Now just look at every single commercial ad on TV or elsewhere. Look at any output of pop culture, particularly TV and movies. Let's look at ANY TV commercial for instance, the white male is ALWAYS the weaker, dumber, clueless, disadvantaged person — always. Whenever I see a new commercial with a black guy and a white guy, I instantly know the black guy is going to be the hero and the white guy the buffoon. Same with any such depiction of a man and a woman. The grown man will be shown to have the maturity of an adolescent who needs the woman to straighten him out and show him the way.

One other thing that drives me absolutely wild is I now see women driving while the man is sitting in the passenger seat when the kids may or may not be in the back. Yes, I know there may be some occasional mitigating reasons (health, etc.) but I absolutely want to scream when I see this! When did men abdicate their manliness and their family leadership?

I guess the point is society (mostly liberal evilness via feminism) has demanded - demanded - that men stand down. And over the course of about one generation men have complied and we are where we are now. Many men are either wimps, emotional adolescents, or being low-key (not publicly being a standout example) about their place.

It is very sad. I am not raising my sons this way, but I do fear for the plight of both men and women. I think the majority of men will continue to shrink back and the majority of women will seek to try and dominate and BOTH will grow even more miserable!

298 posted on 01/12/2013 8:39:20 AM PST by Obadiah (It is when a people forget God, that tyrants forge their chains.)
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To: SamAdams76
Women need men to be strong, assertive, financially responsible and always, always in control. Women need men to be go-getters and good, dependable providers.

Where have you been the last 30+ years?

There are plenty of men who exhibit those characteristics.

Unfortunately, women don't want them. They get called "Nice Guys" and the women instead go whore themselves around with the players, the thugs, the losers.

Way too many men out there are slackers, they lack ambition, work ethic, discipline. They act like overgrown adolescents. Whenever I see a man sitting at home playing a child's video game on the living room couch in his sweatpants, I want to smack him upside the head and knock some sense into him.

When your only choices are women who are like Sandra Fluke or women who are like Kim Kardashian, playing video games doesn't sound so bad.

Way too many men dress like slobs in public. Next time you go to a nice restaurant, look around you. You will see grown men taking their woman to dinner dressed in hockey jerseys, sneakers, ill-fitting jeans, etc.

You see guys like that with girls because that's the type of guy that girls want.

It's really simple. Women do the choosing. If woman went for respectable gentlemen, guys would be respectable gentlemen. If women go for lazy losers & thugs, the guys are going to be lazy losers & thugs.

See "Women don't want a Gentleman"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxexh-5eg9Q

311 posted on 01/12/2013 10:22:44 AM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: SamAdams76

Sam you make some good points. I think the problem is that many “men” out there today in their 20’s had the distinct disadvantage of being raised by single moms. No father figure to provide an example. Not that this can’t be overcome, but it is a big deal.

You’re right about having a plan. I can’t stand seeing adult “men” playing videogames all day. Same can be said though about following sports too much. You need to have a purpose. Women will be attracted to that.

To me it was the military. As an officer at age 21 I had more responsibility than most men have their entire life. Unfortunately, many men don’t want to join the military these days. My poor brother (divorced, wife cheated on him after 17 years of marriage)has three sons that are liberal Obama-voting pukes. Look down at the military with disdain. It frustrates my brother as he was a captain in the USMC. His oldest is a sophomore at Georgetown and will have to take at least a year off school because they can’t afford it. $54,000/year. This kid will not consider ROTC. At all.

Long story, but the point is valid. Many young men aren’t go-getters anymore. You can’t wait for stuff to be handed to you you have to take it. I left home at 18 and never looked back. Military College then active duty.

Now I’m married with 3 sons of my own and instill pride in them daily. My wife hears how lucky she is all the time from her dissatisfied friends. But you’re right. Bust your ass and the women will notice. You’ll have your pick and hopefully will make the right decision. Sit on your ass in your parent’s basement and you’ll get what you deserve too. And shame on those parents for not kicking their boys out.

I’m the lucky one. Got a wonderful wife. She’s an engineer and makes twice what I do. Same go-getter mentality, but we both understand that raising our kids in a loving mutually supportive house is most important.

I’ll do my part to raise my boys properly. Hopefully they can find beautiful conservative women.


312 posted on 01/12/2013 10:30:31 AM PST by strider44
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