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Stock Car Racing's Short Term Memory Problem
Anon ^ | 2/26/13 | Anon

Posted on 02/26/2013 6:46:03 PM PST by Sax

Big difference between the care and respect on Saturday, vs. Sunday.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: daytona; racing; whiner
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1 posted on 02/26/2013 6:46:10 PM PST by Sax
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To: Sax

Everybody there knows that there is danger. Its mitigated as much as possible and whining like a liberal bedwetter won’t change a thing.


2 posted on 02/26/2013 6:50:46 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
Whining like a liberal? Thanks for the personal attack. I'll just say I've been to dozens of races at Daytona and I'll continue to go (my favorite is the Rolex 24).

I'm humbling saying that if you send 30 people to the hospital the day before, you may want to tone down the party atmosphere just a bit, not stop the race, just subdue the tone.

Thanks for the dig, but I'll stick to my opinion.

3 posted on 02/26/2013 6:55:36 PM PST by Sax
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To: Sax

Wow! A link that takes you-——— right back here! The very definition of navel gazing!


4 posted on 02/26/2013 6:55:47 PM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Sax
I bet the track sold every seat Sunday, just like it did Saturday.
5 posted on 02/26/2013 6:55:57 PM PST by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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To: ZOOKER

A local couple from here in Michigan were among the injured. They local news got an interview and just want their racing friends here in Michigan to know that they’ll be at the track in June and again in August.


6 posted on 02/26/2013 6:59:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ZOOKER

Well yeah they probably did, of course those seats were sold BEFORE Saturday so thats really not a measure.


7 posted on 02/26/2013 7:00:27 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ZOOKER
I think if they sold every seat on Saturday, they may have sent 45 people to the hospital. I've been there a ton, and my point isn't their effort in establishing a safe environment (they certainly do) it was the ‘swept under the rug’ feeling that was prevalent on Sunday.
8 posted on 02/26/2013 7:01:03 PM PST by Sax
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To: Sax

I see no problem with Jimmie and his team celebrating a huge Daytona win. The drivers all mentioned those injured the day before. This race is the grand prize in the sport, and it was a well earned win in a great race.


9 posted on 02/26/2013 7:01:08 PM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: Sax

“...you may want to tone down the party atmosphere just a bit, not stop the race, just subdue the tone.”

Why? For what reason?

I don’t think you really understand racing, or race fans.

Stuff happens. The race goes on. If you can’t handle that then stay home.

And yes, you are sounding like a whiny liberal. That’s not an attack it is an observation.


10 posted on 02/26/2013 7:08:26 PM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Sax

That’s it! No more racing and no more football. Let’s get rid of metal bats in college and highschool. In fact, wood bats splinter and the balls hurt fans when they go out of the stadium so we need to rethink baseball. Basketball is racists. Hockey is too and way to violent. Wrestling hurts peoples feelings and MMA is just gory.

What are we, French?

Your chances of winning the lottery are better than being hit by nascar suspension parts while watching a race. Think of the payout those fans have comming. I feel sorry for them and all. But....Really?


11 posted on 02/26/2013 7:10:54 PM PST by Tenacious 1 ("The British are Coming (to confiscate weapons)" - Paul Revere (We know how that ended))
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To: Sax

So a 3400lb car going 200 mph hits a fence, and that fence absorbs most of the energy and car parts.

I’d say they did a lot of things right.


12 posted on 02/26/2013 7:12:35 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Nik Naym

wow, thanks hardliner. no, I’m as conservative as they come and when you get a bunch of people hurt, even in an extremely rare fluke, in my personal opinion, decency should direct you to go about your business as normal, but with a subdued tone out of respect for the dozens of people having been hurt less than a day before under very similar circumstances. Nothing hardline here - just don’t get carried away just because it’s a long anticipated event.


13 posted on 02/26/2013 7:12:59 PM PST by Sax
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To: Tenacious 1

Yes, f*** the injured, FIDO - they knew the chances. Next group up....


14 posted on 02/26/2013 7:15:23 PM PST by Sax
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To: Nik Naym

There were 3 people killed during a CART race at MIS some years ago. It didn’t mean the end of racing at MIS.

They raised the height of the fence and reinforced it a bit more. In fact I believe that accident was what lead to wheel tethers in NASCAR.

Frankly, reasonable safety improvements are the best possible tribute.


15 posted on 02/26/2013 7:15:38 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Tenacious 1

Well said FRiend!


16 posted on 02/26/2013 7:37:45 PM PST by deweyfrank
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To: deweyfrank
Where is the compasion and why is that not a conservative trait? I’m a capitalist and I understand the tremendous investment in this event and the pump it gives the sport – I’m all for that. What I’m saying is that I believe the sanctioning body missed an opportunity in decency to both hold the race and be sensitive to the personal loss/pain/injury that a number of their fans suffered at their venue just the day before. There was a better way, but in my opinion business drivers blinded them to it. Conservatism isn't a blood sport.
17 posted on 02/26/2013 7:44:06 PM PST by Sax
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To: cripplecreek
Maybe I was misunderstood by some folks; my point was that fans will buy tickets for sporting events, despite (maybe even because of) the fact that there is risk.

I hear that in Europe they still race on public roads with no fence of any kind between cars and fans. The bulls run every year in Pamplona despite frequent injuries and occasional fatalities. Snow skiing, cycling, skateboarding - all are prone to injury.

You want to be safe, play chess.

18 posted on 02/26/2013 8:11:17 PM PST by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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To: Sax
I have compassion for those people who were injured. And I think the sanctioning body acted stupidly following the Nationwide race. They suppressed all info about the injuries. All video and photos also. It was despicable. However, It was a freak. Not unlike fans being killed/injured by baseballs, bats, hockey pucks, etc. $hit happens. I, too, hope they can take this incident and make it safer for the fans. A few tweaks are all that is necessary.
19 posted on 02/26/2013 8:12:59 PM PST by deweyfrank
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To: ZOOKER
Accepted risk, yes. However, when the risk is taken and the results are tragic, you can acknowledge it and be sensitive to it, and not simply sweep it under the rug. The sanctioning body missed the opportunity to have the sport 'continue on' and do it in a more respectful tone that carries through the entire event and not just an opening session lip service.
20 posted on 02/26/2013 8:18:46 PM PST by Sax
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To: Sax

Where is the compasion and why is that not a conservative trait? I’m a capitalist and I understand the tremendous investment in this event and the pump it gives the sport – I’m all for that. What I’m saying is that I believe the sanctioning body missed an opportunity in decency to both hold the race and be sensitive to the personal loss/pain/injury that a number of their fans suffered at their venue just the day before. There was a better way, but in my opinion business drivers blinded them to it. Conservatism isn’t a blood sport.


Yer a puss. The “victims” who were able, went to the 500 on Sunday. You don’t hold a race for “sensitivities”. A butt load of non-”victims” paid a butt load of “capital” to watch their driver get some points at the “NASCAR Superbowl”, and have to be back to work Monday morning...they don’t take lightly to pissin’ away a $100 ticket.

Today, I purchased 3 nights lodging in Gadsden, AL for the Nationwide, and Sprint Cup races in Talladega. I support the sport.

The population in this area, at least 150 miles, squared could not fill the stands.

Mayhap, you ain’t a puss; mayhap you is a plaintiff’s attorney?

phuttt!

cheers, anyway:-)


21 posted on 02/26/2013 8:25:03 PM PST by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: cripplecreek

I wasn’t aware NASCAR used wheel tethers, and in any case they wouldn’t do much good when the whole front end of the car is grated against the catch fencing. I know this incident and a few others like it (for sure I can recall a wheel killing a spectator at the ‘94 CART race at Phoenix) led CART, IRL and F1 to mandate tethers on their cars.


22 posted on 02/26/2013 8:35:45 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I'll stop being a cynic when the world stops giving me reasons to be cynical.)
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To: Sax

Why don’t you go and see if Mikey Bloomburg is looking for another funsucker assistant.


23 posted on 02/26/2013 8:44:01 PM PST by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: Sax
I’m as conservative as they come

No you are NOT.Someone lied to you. They probably wanted to avoid to tears and histrionics they would be subjected to if they told you what they really thought.

24 posted on 02/26/2013 8:53:01 PM PST by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: metalurgist

Thanks. Dozens of people who take what are perceived to be low level risks (sitting behind 20ft fences with massive steel cables & turnbuckles reinforcing them) wind up getting injured in a fluke accident - f*** em. Don’t let ‘em ruin our good time, don’t freakin’ acknowledge them or show any compassion. I’m a fricken tree hugging communist puss. I get it. If this is the new conservative train, then I must be something else.


25 posted on 02/26/2013 9:03:11 PM PST by Sax
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To: Sax
"...you may want to tone down the party atmosphere just a bit"

So, how do you get the winner of one of the biggest races of the year to just say "Thank you very much" and walk away?

26 posted on 02/26/2013 9:45:34 PM PST by Baynative (Lord, keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.)
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To: Sax

I found the 500 to be boring.


27 posted on 02/26/2013 10:52:27 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Soylent Green is Boomers)
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To: Mike Darancette
I found the 500 to be boring.

Spot on. That was the worst Daytona 500 in years. I had to record the first half. I'm glad I did. I fast forwarded a lot of the single line follow the leader.

I admit, I was watching for 1. New cars - curious 2. Danica on pole - what would be her fait? 3. 3 wide pack racing and aggressive bump drafting 4. A spectacular last lap finish.

The finish didn't dissappoint. But the broadcast missed the final moves that actually pushed Earnhardt and Martin to a 2nd and 3rd place finish. I was pretty pissed they cut away to the accident and never replayed the leaders final move, just the finish.

Are they racing on dirt this year? That would be worth tuning in for.

28 posted on 02/27/2013 6:14:17 AM PST by Tenacious 1 ("The British are Coming (to confiscate weapons)" - Paul Revere (We know how that ended))
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To: Sax; cripplecreek; saganite; ZOOKER; driftdiver; ilgipper; Nik Naym; Tenacious 1; deweyfrank

Hey, at least they waited a day to celebrate. In the NFL, NBA,NBL, NHL, and even college sports, many times fans get hurt, and even shot and killed, like in Oakland. Players get hurt, some go to the hospital. Some cannot play for another year, while others will never play the game again.

Yet in less than 3 hours, maybe a bit longer if extra innings or quarters are needed to settle a tie, the winners are celebrating a great win.

You must put everything in perspective, we live in a society of over 300 million people. You come off like a liberal that thinks the world needs to stop because someones dog got run over by a car.

In reality we do stop, we mourn, but then we continue on with life. Sometimes within a week like after 9/11, sometimes the next day as they did in Daytona. Sometimes we take a week, like we did after 911. Then there are those times when we continue when the whistle blows to start the next play.

Doesn’t mean we are not still thinking and praying for those who have fallen to the side, it just means that we know life must continue.

That’s what made America great, what you suggest we do is exactly what is destroying this country.


29 posted on 02/27/2013 11:07:17 AM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

There will be a big payday for everyone injured despite the limited lawsuit possibilities. NASCAR and the owners of the race tracks have one of the most ironclad liability disclaimers there are but they also recognize how damaging a lawsuit can be to PR and will be fairly quick to settle. They’ll go to court but only long enough to settle on a reasonable sum.


30 posted on 02/27/2013 11:49:29 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Tenacious 1
I fast forwarded a lot of the single line follow the leader.

It seems to me that all the cars are pretty equal in performance maybe they have been reduced in performance in the name of safety. Follow the leader along the wall is not interesting TV even with the odd fender bender back in the pack.

31 posted on 02/27/2013 1:01:24 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Soylent Green is Boomers)
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To: cripplecreek

You are right. Personally I think the Daytona 500 was doomed the moment NASCAR decided to cater to the very sect of society that has proved time and time again they will do everything in their power to destroy everything they have gotten involved in.


32 posted on 02/27/2013 9:13:20 PM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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