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Advice: Need notebook/laptop NOT made in China
Self | 3/3/2013 | Self

Posted on 03/03/2013 5:17:13 PM PST by Lexinom

Looking to spend $400-$700 for a decent notebook to be used primarily for software development and graphics. Need some speed and horsepower, and durability. These things typically last me about five years, and this one here (a Sony Vaio) is nearing the end of the line.

Brands you'd recommend? Lenovo is highly regarded but very, very Chinese. I'd like to stay away from that. And I hate Apple with a passion.

This will be running Linux.


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Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer.
1 posted on 03/03/2013 5:17:21 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom
i believe ASUS
2 posted on 03/03/2013 5:21:16 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Lexinom

I don’t believe there are any laptops that are not made in China . My Ma sent my daughter a birthday card ( American Greetings ) the other day and it was made in China .


3 posted on 03/03/2013 5:22:37 PM PST by sushiman
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To: Chode

I like Toshiba laptops, but don’t know where they are made.


4 posted on 03/03/2013 5:23:23 PM PST by whitedog57
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To: Lexinom

I’ve heard good thinga about Falcon-Northwest, but their products are considerably more expensive than your preferred price-range.


5 posted on 03/03/2013 5:23:23 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Chode

Made in China .


6 posted on 03/03/2013 5:24:55 PM PST by sushiman
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To: Lexinom

Good luck with that.


7 posted on 03/03/2013 5:25:41 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: whitedog57

China


8 posted on 03/03/2013 5:26:58 PM PST by sushiman
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To: Lexinom

There are none. Sorry.


9 posted on 03/03/2013 5:27:55 PM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Lexinom

Ain’t “Free Trade” great!


10 posted on 03/03/2013 5:29:58 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Lexinom

Even if you found a laptop that was not “made in China”, the parts probably will have been. I use Dell but I would never recommend them.


11 posted on 03/03/2013 5:29:58 PM PST by South40
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To: Lexinom

I’ve honestly never seen a laptop not made in China, but I always had good luck with HP laptops.
Sam’s Club has an HP laptop online for $480 (if you’re a member) and it has 6gb of memory and a 1 Terabyte (1000 GB) HD.


12 posted on 03/03/2013 5:31:31 PM PST by Patriot95
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To: Lexinom
If you want a laptop not made in China, you'll need to make it yourself (with all Chinese parts). Seriously.

It's almost funny you even asked.

13 posted on 03/03/2013 5:33:05 PM PST by Drew68
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To: sushiman
assembled there, but i believe ASUS still makes the motherboard outside of China, yes?
14 posted on 03/03/2013 5:37:02 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Lexinom

Lenovo is going to start building PCs in North Carolina later this year.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443862604578030391796799174.html


15 posted on 03/03/2013 5:39:10 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Chode

ASUS is a Taiwanese company, so technically, they’re not chinese.

I like ASUS


16 posted on 03/03/2013 5:39:55 PM PST by VAFreedom (maybe i should take a nap before work)
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To: sushiman; Chode

Asus is Taiwan not PRC, to be fair. Taiwan is friendly and I’m comparing ASUS in my price range to the Lenovos I’ve already singled out.


17 posted on 03/03/2013 5:41:03 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: VAFreedom
yup, me too... always had good luck with their stuff
18 posted on 03/03/2013 5:41:43 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Lexinom

Let’s give credit where it’s due. The UNIONS have, again, successfully sent work outside of this country. Gotta love them.


19 posted on 03/03/2013 5:42:55 PM PST by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: Lexinom

All include hardware components that are made in China.


20 posted on 03/03/2013 5:43:02 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Lexinom

Buy Lenovo - their quality build is top notch. Go for a Thinkpad and you’re thinking IBM which made it world famous. You can’t go wrong with their laptops and the price is quite reasonable for what you get since IBM sold off its computing division several years ago.


21 posted on 03/03/2013 5:43:39 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Chode

I got an ASUS after being fed up of HP indian call centers and HP breakin down.

I could not want anything better than I have now, love Asus, I get to call Amercia and speak with English speaking people, who are helpful and polite.

Got my oldest boy a ASUS tablet and he loves that too, plus they;re quite cheap compared to other makers.


22 posted on 03/03/2013 5:44:55 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: VAFreedom
I believe most motherboards are manufactured in Taiwan.
I know Gigabyte is, Foxconn is strictly Chinese.
23 posted on 03/03/2013 5:44:55 PM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: Lexinom

Some American Companies are Dell, HP and Gateway, but at least some components will be Chinese regardless of who you deal with.


24 posted on 03/03/2013 5:45:44 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Lexinom

Current laptop used at work is a HP and works great thus far after 1.5 yrs. Since china makes all our stuff now I’ll ignore your “not made in china” stipulation. :-)


25 posted on 03/03/2013 5:46:12 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Lexinom
There are 27,000 laptops for sale on Ebay.

Take your pick and don't bid high.

If you miss one, another identical will be about a half hour behind

26 posted on 03/03/2013 5:46:29 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: VAFreedom

Got an ASUS laptop and tablet and LOVE THEM.

Their call centers are in America and are helpful unlike HP which was a pain dealing with mohammed or mustapha from India telling me his name was Steven or Mike


27 posted on 03/03/2013 5:47:24 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Lexinom

You might have to buy expensive, high-end laptops from Fujitsu, which I believe are made in Japan.


28 posted on 03/03/2013 5:47:33 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Lexinom

Ha... and if a laptop was 100% made in the USA, you could bet it would not sell in the range of $400-700.


29 posted on 03/03/2013 5:48:03 PM PST by MeanGreen2008
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To: manc

ASUS is in Taiwan.

Virtually every computer in the world today is manufactured in either Taiwan or China as are virtually all aftermarket peripherals and accessories.


30 posted on 03/03/2013 5:48:16 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Lexinom
i didn't think they were ChiCom
31 posted on 03/03/2013 5:48:45 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Lexinom

The only notebooks that are not made in China are the older ones that you can only find in pawnshops.


32 posted on 03/03/2013 5:48:45 PM PST by jespasinthru (Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.)
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To: Lexinom

Check Fujitsu. Bought one not long ago for the girlfriend and it’s a BEAST....and a very affordable price. I now understand why she loved her old Fujitsu so much....


33 posted on 03/03/2013 5:55:26 PM PST by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: manc
if i ever needed one, it would be my choice...
34 posted on 03/03/2013 5:57:06 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Lexinom; Patriot95
I always had good luck with HP laptops.

Beware of their low cost ones. If you open and close it a lot, the display ribbon cable fails (three times in the family) Now we buy Asus. If you move the power supply cable around a lot, it fails and is tough to repair (two times in the family). New ones are expensive and cheesay, but knockoffs are cheap and even cheesier.

OTOH, the business models are much tougher, but more pricey, of course. Never had those failures.

Just our experience.

35 posted on 03/03/2013 5:57:37 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Patriot95; Lexinom

I must disagree. I wouldn’t touch another HP laptop with a 10-foot pole (their printers, servers rock....PC’s and laptops? fuhgedaboutit).

Bought the girlfriend an HP laptop for Christmas 2011....by Nov. of 2012 the motherboard fried. It was a brick. I’m 30 years in the biz and tried everything to fix it. Tossed it in the trash and bought her a monster Fujitsu (see my reply just above). She, and I, couldn’t be happier with the decision.

BTW....I use an HP laptop every day for work, and I hate the damned thing.....


36 posted on 03/03/2013 5:59:28 PM PST by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: Lexinom
I have a Toshiba Satellite laptop & I love it. Not sure where it was made.

I also have a Gateway laptop & it is great too.

37 posted on 03/03/2013 6:00:45 PM PST by LADY J (You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have. - Author Unknown)
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To: South40
I use Dell but I would never recommend them.

Ditto. My XPS15 died after 5 mos. Hard drive and motherboard had to be replaced (under warranty, but Dell would only provide a refurbished motherboard). 2 months later, same thing happened. 5 mos after that, same thing again. After hours of over the phone troubleshooting with technical support (with people with poor command of English) and 2 home repair visits, Dell finally agreed to examine it at their repair "depot" (but absolutely refused to replace the computer). It's been working ok now for a few months, but I use it with the assumption that it could die again at any minute. I will not buy another Dell.

38 posted on 03/03/2013 6:06:35 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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My current XPS 15 is 14 months old. It’s on its 4th hard drive (hard drive has been replaced 3x) it’s on its 3 motherboard, it’s on its 2nd battery and 2nd AC adapter. The only thing good I can say about the company is I like that with the warranty I bought they will come to my home to fix it.


39 posted on 03/03/2013 6:14:37 PM PST by South40
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To: Lexinom

Well, you have a choice:

Chinese, with their backdoors to your stuff - or

US Govt, with their backdoors to your stuff.

Right now, I’d go with Chinese.


40 posted on 03/03/2013 6:16:40 PM PST by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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To: Lexinom

I also have an ASUS (a - sooos). I bought a laptop 3 years ago and bought my spousal unit one last year. Great warranty too.

The only “problem” I’ve had is with the out of the box adobe and java software loaded in the WIN7 image. If you are going with Linux, you may avoid that.


41 posted on 03/03/2013 6:17:22 PM PST by llevrok (Keep your arms out. It makes it harder for them to throw a net over you.)
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To: South40

>> I use Dell but I would never recommend them.

I use Dell but would recommend them. Nearly all the support cases I had over the last 10 years were handled quickly and without resistance.


42 posted on 03/03/2013 6:17:53 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Lexinom

I had an Everex laptop made in Fremont California by Filipina -American assembly workers in 1998. But the company was Chinese owned by a brother and sister who fought all the time and stole all the salespeoples` accounts for themselves so they wouldn`t have to pay any commissions.


43 posted on 03/03/2013 6:22:05 PM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Marchione.)
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To: whitedog57

My Toshiba is made in China

It will be an interesting challenge to find one that isn’t for that price range.

I think possibly Alienware and Puget but they are way above that price.


44 posted on 03/03/2013 6:25:39 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Lexinom

Hats off to you for taking the time to locate and buy one NOT made in China. As an added bonus your purchase will probably be less likely to have a back door built into it. We all need to stop feeding the monster and buy things made here or at least in friendly countries.


45 posted on 03/03/2013 6:26:25 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: RightOnline

Ditto, I had a HP tablet that almost made it a year. It is not even good for boat anchor as my boat sank with all my guns aboard.


46 posted on 03/03/2013 6:27:33 PM PST by razorback-bert (I'm in shape. Round is a shape isn't it?)
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To: Lexinom

IMHO, the Lenovo Think Pad is the best notebook out there, bar none. Yes, it’s made in China, but so what? You won’t find a better one and their support is US based.


47 posted on 03/03/2013 6:28:16 PM PST by upchuck (nobama fact #69: For each job created by the nobama administration, 75 people went on food stamps.)
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To: Lexinom
Forget about the China issue for that price range.

I wouldn't touch an HP, Toshiba, Dell...those things are overpriced or just carp. Asus is a really good company and generally make superior product for any price point. If you are buying a desktop, buy Asus motherboard.

Asus laptops are good for the price point but are not the easiest things to repair if you have problems.

Almost all the laptops/brands are coming off the exact same lines, with the same components. One day the line will build Dell, the next, someone else. It really comes down to the motherboard and its design and how much the brand is willing to pay to put it together.

We have been buying Acer laptops for at least 10 years. Not sure how many that is but enough to say with all those purchased we have had hardware problems with less than 1% of them (2 out of hundreds and hundreds...one Acer even covered out of warranty...we had to go through their wholesale channel to get to their service people). Acer's have been rock solid for us.

Acers also have very little bloatware (like HP, Compaq, Dell, Toshiba...) so your computer won't have a bunch of carp running in the background.

Get a third generation Core i3 processor (can't remember the product numbers) for general. For graphics, get a Core i5. If you need heavy duty processing, Core i7 (I think this will be out of your price range). Going up in the processor capability chews battery life.

Stick with an Intel Core series processor and avoid AMDs. AMDs are cheaper for a reason. The processor chip or motherboard (or both) burn up a lot...for every brand.

If you need graphics, look for something with a separate video/graphics card and at least 4GB of RAM on the motherboard.

Get something that has USB 3 built into it.

If you can still find one with Windows 7, get it. Avoid Win8. I am still not that thrilled with Windows 64 bit architecture, yet. Their are still some hardware glitches and some internet stuff may or may not work with 64 bit. We generally reload Windows in 32 bit (keycodes work for both 32 and 64 bit versions). For almost all users, their is very little gained by the 64 bit, other than more than 3GB of RAM.

48 posted on 03/03/2013 6:35:28 PM PST by jwsea55
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Although I like the specs of the Lenovo a little better than the comparably-priced ASUS, I do not like this one bit:

http://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240088431/Prison-like-conditions-for-workers-making-IBM-Dell-HP-Microsoft-and-Lenovo-products

49 posted on 03/03/2013 6:35:42 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: razorback-bert
"....as my boat sank with all my guns aboard."

Isn't that an odd coincidence........I mean, exactly the same thing happened to....well.....

50 posted on 03/03/2013 6:42:18 PM PST by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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