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Salad is more dangerous than beefburgers, leading food expert warns
News168.co.uk ^ | Mar 20, 2013 | staff reporter

Posted on 03/23/2013 2:50:10 PM PDT by Daffynition

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To: outofsalt
Last year a couple of jays figured out that our frog bin was an easy buffet. Oh, the drama!

Uh oh!

When I was a kid we had a seasonal pond near the house that would be loaded with tadpoles of spade foot toads. No frogs near us, darn it. My sis and I would get loads of them and keep them in big porcelain pans full of water in the basement. Out of hundreds only a few ever grew to have four legs and no tail. :(

Ironically the best food we found for them was lettuce. Bits of lettuce in the water would rot around the edges and the tadpoles would eat that. So I guess frogs in lettuce is not so strange after all. heh heh

61 posted on 03/23/2013 5:11:43 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Olog-hai
Nor is there a city called Cheeseburg.

So what city is Mayor McCheese the mayor of? Riddle me that!

62 posted on 03/23/2013 5:16:12 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Daffynition

That is so funny. My Mom used to have a cat that would stalk the elk in our yard. It would get down in the pre-strike crouch and stare at them intently. Just couldn't figure out how it was going to make that killing leap though. lol

63 posted on 03/23/2013 5:24:05 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

If have anything GI-questionable going on, I load up on those Dannon probiotic drinks and have one a day for a few days, or as required.


64 posted on 03/23/2013 5:27:47 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: smalltownslick

>>> Why would ANYONE buy “ready-to-eat” salad in the first place?

To citifolks (esp. ‘hipsters’ class), salad came that way.

They get them pre-packaged from stores, they get them all chopped up in resturants.


65 posted on 03/23/2013 5:50:20 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: outofsalt

I’ve done that several times over the years. Scoop up tadpoles out of the ditches in the rainy season, grow them in a big square plastic container in the garden, watch them turn into cute little froggies and hop away. They hang around for generations and eat the bugs that would eat your veggies. I don’t have to worry about the birds snacking out on them, because the feral cats around here keep the birds up in the high trees. Except for the egrets and the hawks, of course. An egret can get as tall as four feet, and we’ve got plenty of them. The egrets corner the cats and peck them, and often hurt them badly. The hawks just carry them off, tear them up and eat them. Just like they do the squirrels and field rats around here. And occasionally, somebody’s expensive little yappy dog.


66 posted on 03/23/2013 5:54:42 PM PDT by jespasinthru (Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.)
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To: Daffynition

there is no such thing as “beef burgers”
its called Hamburgers because it was invented in Hamburg


67 posted on 03/23/2013 6:01:06 PM PDT by hecht (america 9/11, Israel 24/7)
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To: FreedomPoster

I would suggest two things.

A popular product in the stores right now is called “Kefir”, and it is like a yoghurt smoothie, but only about 110 calories a cup for unflavored (130 for fruit flavored). However, it has about 10 different kinds of probiotic bacteria in it, so you get a wide assortment instead of just a few.

The other thing is the generic version of ‘Pearls’, which are two kinds of probiotic bacteria that are enteric coated, so they make it through the harsh environment of the stomach before being released.

Many people incorrectly assume that bacteria cannot make it through the stomach alive, but while many are attrited, a goodly number make it through.

When someone first starts consuming Kefir, I recommend they take it slow, because it can result in some “bacteria battles” and result in gas or discomfort at first. It takes about two weeks for the gut to get acclimated, and about a month to start seriously changing the bacterial balance of the gut.

A rather new discovery is that people who are extremely obese have just one genus of bacteria occupying almost one third of their floral space. It is the enterobacter genus, and its toxin is known to cause fatty weight gain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterobacter

A study put extremely obese people on an anti-enterobacter diet and they dropped about 1/3rd of their overweight without any exercise.


68 posted on 03/23/2013 6:34:37 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: TigersEye
I can't imagine how cool that would be.....I conjecture the damage is terrific.


69 posted on 03/23/2013 6:48:04 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: hecht

This story is from the UK...what do the Brits know about food? >:0


70 posted on 03/23/2013 6:49:30 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
“And it could achieve that mutation at any time, or not.”

There is always a viral mutation that could lead to the Armageddon virus. HIV could easily become spread by respiratory droplet if the right envelope protein mutations occurred. The reality is that even most often those mutations that would lead to the most virulence also lead to the least ‘fitness’ for the virus, and therefore are not selected for. Maybe we're just lucky. I'm not being flippant about this, but I do great issue with hype.

I stand by what I said about silly British academic pretentiousness.

71 posted on 03/23/2013 7:00:12 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

That last is very, very interesting.

There is so much we don’t know about nutrition and health, and there is so much agenda-laden “research” that it is hard to tell what to believe. Even for someone with a strong science/technology background.


72 posted on 03/23/2013 7:07:49 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: dfwgator

Crypto is extremely dangerous to snakes.

No more package salad, here.


73 posted on 03/23/2013 7:46:54 PM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.....)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

No, HIV could not become pulmonary, spread by coughing and sneezing. Its RNA is vastly different from the viruses that can. Influenza, however, as a class of viruses, is special.

To start with, it has a large number of what are called “flexible genes”, genes that are prone to mutation. This is why there are constantly new iterations of the flu, even in the same flu season. To show how radical this is for H5N1, here is a pdf chart of its known variations over time:

http://www.who.int/influenza/gisrs_laboratory/201101_h5n1evoconceptualdiagram.pdf

To explain, the “H” in H5N1 is the means by which the virus enters cells, and the “N” is the means by which after reproducing millions of copies, they all bust out of the dead cell. There are 17 different kinds of “H” factors, which had been H1, H2, and H3, which people have been exposed to for many years, and so have at least partial immunity. But H5 is novel, so no humans are immune to it, even partially.

There are some 137 types of “N” factor, though just a few apply to humans. All the antiviral drugs such as Tamiflu focus on inhibiting the “N” factor.

Before I mentioned that H5N1 only needs five mutations to be easily transmitted between humans. Because it has oddly and stubbornly maintained its extraordinary 60% mortality rate among those infected, this is extremely bad.

The chief epidemiologist of Vietnam, internationally respected, made the astounding discovery of a herd of pigs, each of which had on average five distinct mutations of H5N1 in their bodies. These mutations were in competition with each other, with the survivor of the “semifinals” competing with other semifinalists from other pigs, until a “champion” mutation infected the whole herd.

From this he asserted that the virus is using a vast number of herds and flocks of animals like a slow but enormous computer, to develop superior mutations.

The ferret has perhaps the closest immune system to humans in the animal kingdom. For this reason, they are regarded as a “canary in a coal mine” for deadly human epidemics.

A research scientists took ferrets, infected them with H5N1, and used them to selectively cross breed the virus with that of H1N1, with known virulence to humans, just by being in their bodies at the same time. It killed off his ferrets in record time.

This is how we learned of the 5 needed mutations, which in effect, happened “naturally”. However, the scientific community and government intervened to demand that when his work was published, that there should be censorship of the exact process, as it was too dangerous to publish.


74 posted on 03/23/2013 8:40:48 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
You are entirely wrong about HIV. Lentivirus vectors, based on HIV, can be made pan tropic by pseudo typing them with altered envelope proteins, and they most certainly can and do infect and transduce the lung.

The inability of wild-type HIV to spread by respiratory droplet has nothing to do with being an RNA virus. It has everything to do with whether or not the virus can avoid desiccation and stay infectious/viable when aerosolized, and whether there are receptors for HIV on the cells in the airways. Growing lentiviruses in cells that express envelope proteins with tropism for lung epithelial cells would significantly increase their ability to bind and enter these cells. If one wanted to weaponize HIV, changing its tropism is one way you could do it, God forbid.

75 posted on 03/23/2013 9:03:38 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Daffynition
..I conjecture the damage is terrific.

Any plant of value must be surrounded with 4' high 4"x4" mesh fencing. It is cool having a herd settle down in the yard for an afternoon though.

76 posted on 03/23/2013 9:36:59 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Daffynition.

http://www.google.com/images?q=far+side+when+potato+salad+goes+bad


77 posted on 03/23/2013 10:09:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Norwalk Virus — I caught it eating salads, the jackass making the salads at a banquet facility was shedding live virus through his feces, IOW, wouldn’t wash his hands after a number two. Some friends of mine picked it up just last month, symptoms appeared after they got home from a trip.

http://www.epi.ufl.edu/?q=node/28

http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/health/norovirus-norwalk-virus-stomach-virus-us-hit-by-new-monster-stomach-bug-spreading-around-globe


78 posted on 03/23/2013 10:12:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: luvbach1

Wasn’t correcting you, just expanding on what you said re “beefburgers.”


79 posted on 03/24/2013 3:53:48 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished.)
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To: neverdem

I say we take off and nuke the entire salad from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.


80 posted on 03/24/2013 4:29:11 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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